Lets find the house that PI was digging and filming

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DawnTCB said:
I just keep thinking that LA was probably the only person in the world that KC might have trusted enough to tell the location to, and he knew it. I think that was the motivation behind his "own investigation" from the start. She was clearly not going to be allowed to tell LE anything, even if she had wanted to, which she apparently didn't. She wasn't going to tell GA or CA. LA was the only one.

Another poster in another thread posited that LA may have passed her a note one day while she was home saying something like "I can't help clear up this mess if you don't give me some details" and that she might have responded with a map of some type (with something perhaps in the "lower left"). This map would have been vague enough to keep from incriminating her should LA turn traitor on her, and I think it was vague enough that LA was clearly not definite about where she meant.

If he *did* have some information and riddled out these two possible locations she might have meant, I think he probably handled this one part just as I would have. He could not tell LE at that point, because if the information was wrong, inaccurate, or misinterpreted, and KC found out he had told them he had info from her, then he would have lost all chance of ever getting anything else from her about the location of Caylee. Given that he was the only person who could get that information, I think it was critical that he stay on her "good side". What he needed was someone to go check these locations and see for him, and THEN notify LE. I think he tried RK first. :D and then his mom's trusted PI buddy DC. I don't know if he expected Hoover to go or videotape it, but I have pondered from time to time if the tape might have been used for KC to look at to determine if they were in the right spot. I don't believe he thought DC would go all crazy slicing bags and stabbing the ground with his probe. I think he thought they would go, look, see the bag, call the cops, end of story. I can't imagine he would think he could convince two PIs to commit or become accessories to a felony for him. He just needed someone to verify it was there for him so they could end the whole "circus".

I wish Morgan would have asked Hoover about the history of that tape. We know Hoover took the video, but then what? Clearly Hoover thinks LA's attorney saw it soon thereafter... how? When did Hoover release the tape to someone else, and who did he give it to? How did he get it back?

So many unanswered questions about that November day...
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Thanks for the clarification! It does make sense, doesn't it? Even if there are so many unanswered questions...
 
DawnTCB said:
I agree with this:


I don't agree with this:



The PIs went there, according to Hoover's testimony, because the same tipster told DC both places to look. They went to both places at least twice based on this same information.

This alleged tipster must have had some serious validity to DC, because he has said these were the only two locations that he (or anyone in the family, to his knowledge) looked for a deceased Caylee. Hoover also said he understood that all along DC believed Caylee was alive. No random tip was going to go make him look in these two spots. Psychics, crimeline callers, even TES had "tips" that there might be remains in various locations, but DC never, apparently, followed up on any of those tips. Nor did the existence of those tips apparently ever sway him from the belief that they were searching for a live Caylee. Until this one tipster.



I don't think the house is important to the case - you are correct that LE, FBI, and probably the entire cast of CSI Miami would have been swarming the place if it was. I do not think that LE would ignore it if it had any shred of possible validity. There are only two things important about it as far as I am concerned:
  1. Why did DC go there
  2. Why was LE almost immediately sure it meant nothing
LE, in my opinion, could not have disregarded this scene unless they were rock solid on why DC searched there. In order to be rock solid, they would have needed to find out his tipster and question them. If the tipster was sufficiently believable, only then could they decide this location was not involved in this crime. They would have no reason to just take DC at his word, I don't think. If DC could not or would not provide evidence of who sent him there, I think LE would have had to investigate it, just to be sure.

Some people have suggested that LE didn't go there because their case is strong enough without that house, but I disagree. They still don't (to our knowledge) have a firm date/time/location/manner of death. If they had any suspicion that DC was led there to hide, remove, or otherwise destroy some evidence at the Brackenwood house, they would have had to go there and secure the scene and examine what was left. They didn't, so I think that they know for a fact why he was there and that it was simply an incorrect location option, not something meaningful to this crime.
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Thank you, DawnTCB, for bumping up this thread.

I share your curiosity about this house, especially the two questions you ask in your post above. The incongruity is puzzling.

A comment about the 'Psychotic' ('scuse me, 'Psychic') Ginette. The morning after her NG appearance she did a phone interview with (I believe) WFTV. At the very end of it, easily passed by, she very explicitly described the directions she claimed to have given to DC. There can be no question that as described her directions were to the house on the corner of Hopespring and Suburban and not the Brackenwood house.

I never had much faith in the idea that DC was responding to her instruction, and that just clinched it.

Leaving of course the questions you mention above, and additionally, how did the Psychotic get involved, since apparently her coaching was inadequate.
 
I disagree with a few of the posters on here. IMO, this house is significant. If the PI was given a tip to check the wooded area on Suburban then the tipster must have also told him about this house. The PI searched the wooded area for Caylee and found nothing and he also searched this house and apparently found nothing. Noone can make me believe that he was there for no reason. There was a reason. IMO, there has to be a reason. The PI videotaped both areas and we know the area on Suburban was actually where Caylee was found. I think there is something at that house.
 
suspicious1 said:
I disagree with a few of the posters on here. IMO, this house is significant. If the PI was given a tip to check the wooded area on Suburban then the tipster must have also told him about this house. The PI searched the wooded area for Caylee and found nothing and he also searched this house and apparently found nothing. Noone can make me believe that he was there for no reason. There was a reason. IMO, there has to be a reason. The PI videotaped both areas and we know the area on Suburban was actually where Caylee was found. I think there is something at that house.
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I believe KC was spending time there with Caylee when she could not get into her house because of someone being home. The pings would be the same, and we know there were pings in that area when she was not at the Anthony house. I thought at first she was staying at Lee's but I have changed my mind and decided it was this vacant house because of the way the pings hit the towers. There were toys there and a grill. I have always felt like Caylee was sedated a "left" somewhere when she went to clubs. I don't believe she was in the trunk of that car all those times.

Regardless if LE wanted to process it or not I believe it ties in with this case.
 
And didn't one of our sleuthers make out a box of pull-ups inside the glass doors?
 
TURBOTHINK said:
I believe KC was spending time there with Caylee when she could not get into her house because of someone being home. The pings would be the same, and we know there were pings in that area when she was not at the Anthony house. I thought at first she was staying at Lee's but I have changed my mind and decided it was this vacant house because of the way the pings hit the towers. There were toys there and a grill. I have always felt like Caylee was sedated a "left" somewhere when she went to clubs. I don't believe she was in the trunk of that car all those times.

Regardless if LE wanted to process it or not I believe it ties in with this case.
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That sounds plausible, but the fact that LE didn't investigate, when they've been so thorough in every other aspect, makes me believe that it was a red herring, and they were certain of it. If KC had indicated something like "left of the T" to LA, and they didn't find anything at the Suburban/Hopespring location, then the Brackenwood house would have been catacorner to that location, lower left in the opposite direction. And it was abandoned, so it was a reasonable place to look.

The more I think about it, the more plausible it becomes that KC figured by that time that all evidence would have been corrupted, and that finding whatever was left of the remains would not implicate her. She could have told LA that the kidnappers had left her a message that if they were going to dispose of Caylee they would do it in that area. Thus, the "I believe everything my sister tells me".
 
LancelotLink said:
And didn't one of our sleuthers make out a box of pull-ups inside the glass doors?
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No...they were Walmart brand garbage bags. Look back about a dozen pages and one of our posters answers that question.

Also, there was no sign of a way to get in or that anyone had been staying there. As nosy as the neighbors were, I doubt that KC would have been sneaking in and out.

Ya'll are entitled to your own interpretations but I'm really thinkin' you're barking up the wrong house.


ETA: Here's the link to what was seen first hand inside the house.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3173389&postcount=1189
 
ecs5298 said:
No...they were Walmart brand garbage bags. Look back about a dozen pages and one of our posters answers that question.

Also, there was no sign of a way to get in or that anyone had been staying there. As nosy as the neighbors were, I doubt that KC would have been sneaking in and out.

Ya'll are entitled to your own interpretations but I'm really thinkin' you're barking up the wrong house.


ETA: Here's the link to what was seen first hand inside the house.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3173389&postcount=1189
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I'm pretty much on the same page as you regarding the question of Casey's use of the house, but the question of why DC went there and was digging around in the plantings is irking me no end.

I just can't understand why he'd pick it out of the blue, and search with such focused intensity.

I think that everybody who has said that LE knows enough about the circumstances to disregard the Brackenwood house is probably right. I'd just like to know what they know.
 
Hey guys! you are all great! I have been lurking mostly from the beginning of this case but I need some help. I am remembering a single sheet of writing paper with a man's name and phone # on it that was obtained with one of the first or second search warrant. Way back when, we researched this name and it was a real estate agent. Just wondering if we can connect this name to the abondoned house...I know a long shot.... where can I find photos of obtained items? I know the house was in foreclosure but was it ever put on the market to sell? Was there a for sale sign in the yard?
 
Sooner Fan said:
Hey guys! you are all great! I have been lurking mostly from the beginning of this case but I need some help. I am remembering a single sheet of writing paper with a man's name and phone # on it that was obtained with one of the first or second search warrant. Way back when, we researched this name and it was a real estate agent. Just wondering if we can connect this name to the abondoned house...I know a long shot.... where can I find photos of obtained items? I know the house was in foreclosure but was it ever put on the market to sell? Was there a for sale sign in the yard?
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Was this on the back of stickers sheet? Feb. 18 doc dump?
 
No, it was a single sheet of writing paper in Casey's handwriting, I think in red ink, as a matter of fact, it was about the size of her diary pages and it was at the very beginning of the case. I saw the name and filed it in the back of my mind and just thought it was strange. She was very serious about renting a house and as I recall, didn't she use the money from her grandma to put in an escrow account to buy a house?
 
Sooner Fan said:
No, it was a single sheet of writing paper in Casey's handwriting, I think in red ink, as a matter of fact, it was about the size of her diary pages and it was at the very beginning of the case. I saw the name and filed it in the back of my mind and just thought it was strange. She was very serious about renting a house and as I recall, didn't she use the money from her grandma to put in an escrow account to buy a house?
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That was the guy on the back of the sticker page. He is a home inspector and posted his story here a little bit after the doc dump. He stated he had nothing to do with the Anthony's or this case and he didn't know how or why they had his name and number written down.
 
ecs5298 said:
That was the guy on the back of the sticker page. He is a home inspector and posted his story here a little bit after the doc dump. He stated he had nothing to do with the Anthony's or this case and he didn't know how or why they had his name and number written down.
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hmmm that's kind of odd why she would write it down....there had to be a reason she did...
 
fortytwo said:
I'm pretty much on the same page as you regarding the question of Casey's use of the house, but the question of why DC went there and was digging around in the plantings is irking me no end.

I just can't understand why he'd pick it out of the blue, and search with such focused intensity.

I think that everybody who has said that LE knows enough about the circumstances to disregard the Brackenwood house is probably right. I'd just like to know what they know.
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I absolutely agree with you. I think the PI was there for a reason, maybe not to find Caylee there, but IMO he was definitely looking for something. If this information was also given by the "tipster" I think the PI had a reason to be there. The search on Suburban was also on the videotape and we know that that's where Caylee was found. So why was he at that house? Maybe we will find out at trial, IDK.
 
Sooner Fan said:
No, it was a single sheet of writing paper in Casey's handwriting, I think in red ink, as a matter of fact, it was about the size of her diary pages and it was at the very beginning of the case. I saw the name and filed it in the back of my mind and just thought it was strange. She was very serious about renting a house and as I recall, didn't she use the money from her grandma to put in an escrow account to buy a house?
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She used the money from her grandfather's nursing home account to pay her cell phone bill. The other check on her grandmother was used to buy things for Caylee's birthday party.
 
Sooner Fan said:
hmmm that's kind of odd why she would write it down....there had to be a reason she did...
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I have numbers written all over all kinds of papers. If I see a number on a sign while driving I might write it on the back of receipt in my car. I don't put much stock in her having his number. It could be from anywhere, including a sign on the side of his truck or something.
 
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