NO BAIL! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#28

Thebuttlerdidntdoit said:

Hello everyone,
I might look brand new but I've been here from the beginning avidly lurking, reading every single post and urging the thread on in the rare quiet moments. Like everyone else here, I desperately want answers. It's just so hard to come to terms with something like this happening. I'd be a nutcase with WS, where I find comfort seeing how others think and feel like I do and I'm not alone in my sorrow .

I registered today because of recent posts that refute the rumour that driving past GBC's house and having time to see anything going on in his front yard is unlikely. I strongly disagree. It's not only likely, it's almost unavoidable if you're entering or exiting Boscombe Rd.

I think the posters who suggest that seeing into the property is unlikely as you drive past have forgotten that the entry to GBC's property is at the start of the easement that leads up to Boscombe Road. Therefore, all cars on Brookfield Road that want to enter Boscombe Rd NEED to at least slow down in front of his very house. The same if you are exiting Boscombe Rd onto Brookfield Rd - you need to actually stop to check for traffic - and you stop practically at GBC's gate. Any driver that happened to have been coming out, or going into, Boscombe Rd that night and necessarily stopped or slowed in front of GBC's house would have had time to notice a car parked in front of his stairs (it's likely GBC parked the car with the back to the stairs IMO for easier access and it's also likely he opened all the doors to block visibility from the road to what was going on IMO). There's not much movement after dark in Brookfield and this is precisely what a slowing driver would notice IMO, especially if it happened quite late at night.

The above rumour is also one of the first ones I heard - very early on, when the thought that GBC might have something to do with it was still not the thing you'd say in public - on 25th April when my partner and I were searching our property hoping to find Allison or clues to her disappearance. My partner turned to me even as we peered under lantana bushes and said, "oh, did I mention [someone at his work] has a friend who reported to police seeing (above rumour)?" It was then it really hit me that we'd probably not find Allison alive. After that I waited for the rumour to be mentioned on these pages - and it did, but surprisingly only after a long while. I have tried to register before but this IPad (which has been surgically attached to me for the last 2 months) wouldn't let me, for some reason. Part of me thought it was a good thing that I was not involving myself in WS because I was so emotionally involved as it was. But I couldn't keep quiet any longer.

I'm not saying the driveway sighting is more than a rumour, but I personally believe that if GBC in fact carried Allison down those stairs (I don't think his carport has internal access into the house) and placed her in the car, it would have taken him quite some time, even if he had help. Time enough for any Boscombe Rd resident entering or exiting the easement to have noticed. (Note: The Boscombe Rd I'm referring to is the section leading up to the State Forest, not the section where the local school is.)

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Walk A Mile said:

Telstra's iPhone plans start at $59/month for the 4s, and as you can make iPhone to iPhone calls and SMSs for free, it could actually be more economical if the rest of your family have them too. They are not the most expensive phone - they are around the same price as other smartphones.

I don't agree that it's uncommon for older people to have an iPhone. Both my in-laws do and neither are tech-savvy.

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Thebuttlerdidntdoit said:

Hello everyone,
I might look brand new but I've been here from the beginning avidly lurking, reading every single post and urging the thread on in the rare quiet moments. Like everyone else here, I desperately want answers. It's just so hard to come to terms with something like this happening. I'd be a nutcase with WS, where I find comfort seeing how others think and feel like I do and I'm not alone in my sorrow .

I registered today because of recent posts that refute the rumour that driving past GBC's house and having time to see anything going on in his front yard is unlikely. I strongly disagree. It's not only likely, it's almost unavoidable if you're entering or exiting Boscombe Rd.

I think the posters who suggest that seeing into the property is unlikely as you drive past have forgotten that the entry to GBC's property is at the start of the easement that leads up to Boscombe Road. Therefore, all cars on Brookfield Road that want to enter Boscombe Rd NEED to at least slow down in front of his very house. The same if you are exiting Boscombe Rd onto Brookfield Rd - you need to actually stop to check for traffic - and you stop practically at GBC's gate. Any driver that happened to have been coming out, or going into, Boscombe Rd that night and necessarily stopped or slowed in front of GBC's house would have had time to notice a car parked in front of his stairs (it's likely GBC parked the car with the back to the stairs IMO for easier access and it's also likely he opened all the doors to block visibility from the road to what was going on IMO). There's not much movement after dark in Brookfield and this is precisely what a slowing driver would notice IMO, especially if it happened quite late at night.

The above rumour is also one of the first ones I heard - very early on, when the thought that GBC might have something to do with it was still not the thing you'd say in public - on 25th April when my partner and I were searching our property hoping to find Allison or clues to her disappearance. My partner turned to me even as we peered under lantana bushes and said, "oh, did I mention [someone at his work] has a friend who reported to police seeing (above rumour)?" It was then it really hit me that we'd probably not find Allison alive. After that I waited for the rumour to be mentioned on these pages - and it did, but surprisingly only after a long while. I have tried to register before but this IPad (which has been surgically attached to me for the last 2 months) wouldn't let me, for some reason. Part of me thought it was a good thing that I was not involving myself in WS because I was so emotionally involved as it was. But I couldn't keep quiet any longer.

I'm not saying the driveway sighting is more than a rumour, but I personally believe that if GBC in fact carried Allison down those stairs (I don't think his carport has internal access into the house) and placed her in the car, it would have taken him quite some time, even if he had help. Time enough for any Boscombe Rd resident entering or exiting the easement to have noticed. (Note: The Boscombe Rd I'm referring to is the section leading up to the State Forest, not the section where the local school is.)

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Woof said:

I just said it before, but in response to your posting I will say it again. Shelters are NOT anonymous. If they were so secret, women needing them wouldn't find them! I myself did a search on where to find one through Google.

I just posted above that I no longer will be willing to receive this info. I was only offering it because I know that some people are too scared to call Crimestoppers, but since you're making this accusation I am not going to. If there is a person here who DOES know for a fact, instead of just rumourmongering, then call Crimestoppers.

No more accusations need to be thrown at me thank you.

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Makara said:

BBM:

Dr, Watson,

I'd like to draw your attention to the post below. This was posted by WS member known as 543 sometime back and prior to GBC's arrest. I will just add here that Websleuth's TOS are that members can discuss the post but are not permitted to sleuth the poster and I have no intention of sleuthing this particular poster.

It's interesting that you both mention Rafting Ground Road and Moggill Road. I'd also be interested in your take on the rest of 543's post. I personally am still scratching my head. :waitasec:

BBM: Below.

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Curiousasacat said:

alisonsandy ‏@alisonsandy

Just finished going thru all the reams of documents relating to Baden-Clay case lodged in court. All the details in tomorrow's @couriermail

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Curiousasacat said:

Yeah it's just getting old hearing jokes about Ipswich.
I thought the same one day a long time ago but having visited and lived there it is a great little city. Your friends who are telling these jokes should perhaps try and stop the stereotyping as the city will never escape these awful things until people do stop.
No my name is not Paul. LOL

Sorry for off topic rant but it really gets my goat.

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Fuskier said:

If my partner was missing I'd be calling, not texting. Appears he may have wanted these texts to appear on his phone... anticipating a police investigation at some stage? Story there in itself.

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Curiousasacat said:

Also why would an old man use an iphone? Most older people I know barely know how to switch on a computer let alone use facetime. LOL

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ActusReus said:

I think you're right. IMO he needed the text messages to back up his alibi. Not a very well thought out plan however.

At 6.20am, according to the text, he believed everything was fine with comments like "did you sleep well" etc. It could be construed that at this point he believed her to have slept at home, got up and went for a walk.

But...at 7.15 he was sufficiently concerned to dial 000. IMO 55 minutes is too short a time period to escalate to a 000 call and this is would have raised some suspicion with the police.

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Rational said:

If I see a specialist or a doctor regarding something that I am unsure of myself I get a second opinion. Over the last few years I have dealt with cancer surgery (melanoma) and every specialist and GP including my surgeon and radiation oncologist has been happy for me to have second opinions.and I have learned that the advice differs and you have to in the end trust your gut instinct just like we do on here.

I find specialist and experts who are not open to being questioned and of the view that there 'expert' view needs to be respected often have issues themselves. My fantastic surgeon (who I trust with my life and still see every three months) is the smartest loveliest man and fantastic at his job, but he has an open mind even in his field of expertise (breast cancer and melanoma) as he says research and medical advances are happening so fast that what may have been acceptable as treatment or an option two years ago no longer is. Anyway sorry for the rant and probably a bit OT but I will give credit where credit is due, but will not accept anything just because someone states something. ALL IMO

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marlywings said:

Thanks Curiousasacat.....I like facts...lol

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WheresColumbo said:

Hey...didn't QPS request a sample of his beard hair? Somewhere around the time of his arrest. At the time this intrigued me.

Then later, another court ordered request to remove the beard. Now this one is clear...they wanted to analyse the so called 'razor' scratches.

So maybe they do have something from under those nails!! :jail:

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mouse detective said:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...rted-her-missing/story-e6freoof-1226409480965

According to the affidavit filed by police and referred to in court on Friday, at 6.20am on April 20, 2012, Gerard Baden-Clay sent a text message to his wife Allison's mobile phone saying: "Good morning! Hope you slept well? Where are you? None of the girls are up yet! Love G''.

No reply was received from this text message, the court documents say.

The police affidavit says at 6.41am on April 20, Gerard Baden Clay sent another text message to his wife Allison's mobile phone saying: "Al, getting concerned. Where are you? The app doesn't say either? ... I'm dressed and about to make lunches. Please just text me back or call! Love G''.

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WheresColumbo said:

Hey...didn't QPS request a sample of his beard hair? Somewhere around the time of his arrest. At the time this intrigued me.

Then later, another court ordered request to remove the beard. Now this one is clear...they wanted to analyse the so called 'razor' scratches.

So maybe they do have something from under those nails!! :jail:

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DrWatson said:

Rational - I agree completely. And I have had numerous patients over the years seek second opinions, and on many occasions, I was the second opinion person! But I was talking about facts, rather than opinions. The post that was taken issue with was purely on facts, not opinions. I'm sure your melanoma surgeon would agree - there would be no arguing with the fact if you were found to have a melanoma, but where the opinion comes into it would be on the best way to treat it. And I have absolutely no problem with seeking multiple opinions on that.

OK - enough of the self-defence. I'm a big boy, and have a thick enough skin that I can take plenty of criticism. But I do take pride in my knowledge in my own areas of expertise, especially in regard to facts.

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Opinionsgalore said:

If it had been 1-2 text messages with many, many phone calls before dialling 000, it could have been a believable story.


MOO

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BJsleuth said:

DH goes AWOL all the time and I get worried. I might text him a couple of times, give him time to reply but then I start to panic so I start calling his mobile and get really panicked when he doesn't answer. I always worry about him falling asleep coming home from work. Usually he just has his music up high and doesn't hear the phone or he's pulled over for coffee or had to stay back to do a handover.

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Opinionsgalore said:

If it had been 1-2 text messages with many, many phone calls before dialling 000, it could have been a believable story.


MOO

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I think the posters who suggest that seeing into the property is unlikely as you drive past have forgotten that the entry to GBC's property is at the start of the easement that leads up to Boscombe Road. Therefore, all cars on Brookfield Road that want to enter Boscombe Rd NEED to at least slow down in front of his very house. The same if you are exiting Boscombe Rd onto Brookfield Rd - you need to actually stop to check for traffic - and you stop practically at GBC's gate. Any driver that happened to have been coming out, or going into, Boscombe Rd that night and necessarily stopped or slowed in front of GBC's house would have had time to notice a car parked in front of his stairs (it's likely GBC parked the car with the back to the stairs IMO for easier access and it's also likely he opened all the doors to block visibility from the road to what was going on IMO). There's not much movement after dark in Brookfield and this is precisely what a slowing driver would notice IMO, especially if it happened quite late at night.

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Opinionsgalore said:

Lol, I live on the GC, and we swap stories of the less savoury charachters in our respective communities.
That said, I've duly noted your dislike of such stories and shall do my best to not offend you again


MOO

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