ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 2

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AngelFish said:
I can't think of one legitimate reason not to have made a trip to Aruba, even if just to go to the site and see for myself. I'm not sure how much work he is doing, per his FB postings, he has been at the beach during the work week.

Under the circumstance, I can't see an employer not allowing an employee to take time off work.

Oh, and I'm not suggesting he should go to Aruba and remain there until this is resolved, but out of respect for Robyn I feel he should have already been to Aruba. It's not a big Island. No matter how little you know of it, it is easy enough to get around. Rent a car & get a map, take the bus or a cab.
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If it were me, I agree, I would think I would definitely want to be there. I don't know him though, or his circumstances, anyone can post on FB from work.

I can recall, Natalee Holloway's friends getting unfairly attacked for not staying and searching for her, when in reality it was impossible for them to do so. It brought me back to that, that maybe there are legitimate reasons that he didn't go. I was just offering some other possibilities.

To be honest, I don't pay much attention to him or watch his interviews, we know what he's going to say and there's nothing much more he can add. After listening to him a few times I lost interest. But I don't think he has anything to do with Robyn's disappearance so for me he's easy to just disregard.

JMHO
 
rossva said:
Are you saying "Lunar moon Land For Sale" is a scam operation? It really isn't. Google it and you will find it's a huge novelty business. There are many similar "ideas" to that out there; Own an acre of the Pacific Ocean, Own a square inch of Hawaii, Own a piece of Deadwood, etc. They are not scams, they are novelty items. FYI, I own 100 square inches of Hawaii if anyone is interested. Most people that buy these type of things make a display out of them, frame them, etc. they make great wall art and conversation pieces.
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Selling moon property is a scam, because you can't sell what you don't own, and no one owns the moon. Likewise with your 100 square inches of Hawaii...I doubt you have title to anything.
 
Richard wrote this to me yesterday: "I just want her back and for justice to be served. Thank u for ur support."

I think bashing him is uncalled for. He is not a suspect in this case. I think it's fortunate for him he didn't show up in Aruba during the time she went missing, he would be a suspect.

He also had a girlfriend having a relationship with another guy, telling him lies and running off to Aruba. Why should he go to Aruba over this? He is doing a lot under the circumstances. Cut him some slack.
 
I have always suspected human trafficking since finding out about his photos etc. If she had been drugged it would have been a simple hand off-However the Auruban authorities seem to think she is dead.
 
R.U.Kidding! said:
I have mostly been reading on this forum, and agree with your statement 100%.
JMOO, but people should be able to live their lives the way they want, as long as it does not hurt others . Robyn's looks, actions, age,medical procedures are entirely her business. I dare say if anyone of us were to have our lives, looks, actions, etc, placed under the "personal" microscope of public opinion we might be shocked at what "we" might look like to others.
Fortunately none of us have disappeared in Aruba.

As for the need to "know" the minutia that was Robyn's life in order to determine victimology...well that is what the FBI and other law enforcement agencies are for, right? They will be the ones to solve this mystery, not us.

WS is a great website for intelligent and informative discussion from like-minded people , and I enjoy keeping up with your comments everyday. However some of the comments I have read are just downright mean spirited. Robyn was 35 years old and as such entitled to make her own decisions as to how to live her life, and because of an unfortunate choice and set of circumstances, may have paid for it with her life It may have been a bad choice, but then who of any of us have not made "a" bad decision. We were just lucky ---no one knows about it---until We go missing!!! There is a lesson somewhere in there, EH!!:waitasec:
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It does become relevant when theories are being put forward that require her to be behaving like Bambi, when she is clearly not that kind of woman. You can't have it both ways.

In any case, people live their lives the way they want, there is no moral "correct" way, as long as you are not hurting other people. But, if the way someone leads their life puts them in harms way, it certainly is relevant to the discussion when that harm happens. That is not being judgemental though.
 
HatesSociopaths said:
Richard wrote this to me yesterday: "I just want her back and for justice to be served. Thank u for ur support."

I think bashing him is uncalled for. He is not a suspect in this case. I think it's fortunate for him he didn't show up in Aruba during the time she went missing, he would be a suspect.

He also had a girlfriend having a relationship with another guy, telling him lies and running off to Aruba. Why should he go to Aruba over this? He is doing a lot under the circumstances. Cut him some slack.
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IMO

He likes being on TV
Why should he go?

Maybe he could help look for her, I don't know

Maybe he could help support her family?

I do understand grief, and i understand everyone expresses it differently
But I think he likes the publicity JMO
 
Tugela said:
It does become relevant when theories are being put forward that require her to be behaving like Bambi, when she is clearly not that kind of woman. You can't have it both ways.

In any case, people live their lives the way they want, there is no moral "correct" way, as long as you are not hurting other people. But, if the way someone leads their life puts them in harms way, it certainly is relevant to the discussion when that harm happens. That is not being judgemental though.
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Thank you!
 
tiredblondy said:
I have always suspected human trafficking since finding out about his photos etc. If she had been drugged it would have been a simple hand off-However the Auruban authorities seem to think she is dead.
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If she was half her age I would be seriously considering the human trafficking possibility.

As it is, I don't see it. What I see is a man who has serious anger issues, past episodes of sexual violence, past strange behavior like stalking and wearing animal costumes in the woods preying on a woman, and I come up with the conclusion he raped (or simply had violent sex) and killed her.
 
AngelFish said:
The "clothing optional / nude" beaches

Public nudity of any kind is illegal and insulting to the Aruban people. However, there are many very secluded small beaches along the northeast coast, some requiring a 4 wheel drive vehicle to reach, where you may be alone and do as you wish, subject to interruption at any time by 4-WD or horseback tours. There are no facilities of any kind nearby and the surf is extremly rough and dangerous for swimming.

A possible explanation for the term "beyond pornographic" - just a thought.
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But, a simple google search pulls this link (http://www.arubabound.com/faq.htm) where it says that it is legal, just not allowed on public beaches.

According to that site:

From Francis Jacobs, the PR Coordinator of the Aruba Tourism Authority,
"I would like to explain a little bit about your concern. Topless in Aruba is not illegal, there is no law against it, but it's not permitted on public beaches. We have two private beaches where they accept to do so, which are The Renaissance island & De Palm island. Manchebo Beach Resort deals a lot with European & they have a separated area where European go Topless, but they are not allowed to walk on the beach topless. Thank you so much for your interest on the island Aruba, & hope to see you soon."
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Re RF etc:

My take is, Robyn's family probably had some idea of the kind of lifestyle she led. Maybe they didn't totally approve (as a father of a young girl, I certainly can understand that). Maybe they didn't love her friends, including RF. Maybe they didn't even know him. Like most everyone else, they've probably concluded that he had nothing to do with this and have devoted their time and energy to other matters.

Regarding his own apparent love for the camera...well, yeah, maybe it's a little tasteless in some ways. Maybe not. If he's helping bring attention to the case, and he's not hurting anyone...I agree, cut him some slack. He could just as easily said she's a lying sack of ___ and shrugged and moved on.
 
HatesSociopaths said:
Richard wrote this to me yesterday: "I just want her back and for justice to be served. Thank u for ur support."

I think bashing him is uncalled for. He is not a suspect in this case. I think it's fortunate for him he didn't show up in Aruba during the time she went missing, he would be a suspect.

He also had a girlfriend having a relationship with another guy, telling him lies and running off to Aruba. Why should he go to Aruba over this? He is doing a lot under the circumstances. Cut him some slack.
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That's OK to do that and I believe that is currently the rules under this forum, however I have observed other cases where the media have painted an unsavoury picture of the prime suspect, only later to reveal that the prime suspect was completely innocent.

Of course there are a few damning bits about GVG, his character his past relationships and even possible sexual deviances which may not be considered 'normal', as well as other bits of evidence that may be damning.

Putting GVG aside, for one minute... I've also noticed that in other cases the guilty party can sometimes turn out to be the one you least expect, often the guilty party puts themselves in a position to help LE or even comfort the victims family, take press conferences on behalf of grieving members, you name it. They do that in order to find out what is happening and whether or not they can disrupt the investigation.

I still have an open mind about who may have done anything to RG.
 
Tugela said:
It does become relevant when theories are being put forward that require her to be behaving like Bambi, when she is clearly not that kind of woman. You can't have it both ways.

In any case, people live their lives the way they want, there is no moral "correct" way, as long as you are not hurting other people. But, if the way someone leads their life puts them in harms way, it certainly is relevant to the discussion when that harm happens. That is not being judgemental though.
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I don't think I read the theories that require her to be compared to Bambi. It is that "she is clearly not that kind of women" comment that I have to ask if that is really necessary, What kind of women is she? Perhaps you know her personally, but if not I am just asking why do you presume to know what Robyn Garner is "all about". That, to me, is a judgement call.

"If the way someone leads their life puts them in harms way"--I am not sure I agree that this is relevant to the discussion--If it is then the statement "It certainly is relevant to the discussion when harm happens" would be akin to saying "well she was asking for it by the way she lived". I don't think that is what you are saying, just how some of the comments here seem to suggest.

To discuss the case, and question the evidence or the facts we do have is fine, and most of the time that is the case, However, comments about All the work she has had done, her "modeling" career being *advertiser censored*, and the comment , "she looks like 20 miles of bad road"---well that's what I mean by unnecessary, that's all.......and I was not talking only about "JUST A GUY".
However he seems to be particularly harsh in his "opinion " of Robyn.

Hope I cleared that up, don't want to cause any problems , just think we could lighten up a bit on the" Cattiness"--JMO :truce:
 
If RF went to Aruba it would be a waste of money and time. No police will tell him anything at all. He is not the husband and only by his words is he a boyfriend. When was the last time a Doctor, Hospital, or Police treat a so called Boyfriend as if they were family.

Where is he going to look that the police aren't already? Thousands of tourist are on that Island out and about, if they didn't see anything where is he suppose to start looking? Go swimming? You think the Hotel will give him access to her room? NO NO NO

Do I like him on TV talking, some but not as much as he is but, I'm reminded that he is probably feeling a little shocked. How would we react if a missing person lived next door to us..or even someone we knew. I'm willing to bet 1/2 would get online and start posting or something.

RF has a need to try and do something, he knows in Aruba there is nothing he can do, but he can keep her name in the public by giving interviews so pressure can be put on the Police, and FBI to leave no stone unturned.

My 2 Cents!
 
This is a sad story. I live in the DC area and I actually learned a friend is a friend of the family and that makes it a bit more real. I hope the truth comes out soon.
The one thing that is bugging me is that the media makes it sound like Robyn met him and and a week later went off on vacation with him. Nancy Grace has said this. This is not true.
Regardless...IF he is responsible for her being gone it is not her fault!!! Period.
She may have made a bad choice but hurting someone, if that happened, is not ever the victims fault.
I have been in this place....where I was a victim of a crime and was sort of told I asked for it....NO ONE SHOULD BE HURT.
 
Natalee Holloway and now Robyn with no body evidence. Makes me wonder if these guys are into human trafficking. White blond women for money. Nab them on a beach, out to a waiting boat or plane.... Might also want to check private plane departures right after she was missing.

In any case I don't believe anything the BF has said so far. Just makes no sense at all. No boat, no snorkelling gear or rental....bloody hand print? Could be a weak ruse. But many of the real facts seem missing.
 
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Facts are relevant, yes, many times things get posted as facts which are not facts, especially when it comes to robyn's personal life and what kind of person some think she was.

It is a fact that women have come forward making claims about GG's violent nature. It is not a leap to think he may have done the same to Robyn.

It is a fact that Robyn had been interested in modeling, it isn't a fact that it means *advertiser censored*. Those pics on the modeling site were suggestive but hardly considered *advertiser censored* in today's world. You can make an assumption but it isn't a fact.

It's a fact that she had known GG for at least a year, at one time they had a personal relationship that involved sex, maybe they were going to have sex again in Aruba. Big deal, it's 2011, women have been liberated, adult women have sex, they even enjoy it. Doesn't make her "that kind of person". Women get "enhancements", must be hundreds of thousands of women with boob jobs, doesn't make them all *advertiser censored* star wannabes.

It is a fact that she just lost her job. It is a fact that she was not in a good place with her boyfriend, they weren't married.

It's a fact that there were pornographic images found. It's also a fact that an Arubian local reporter, comes out and gives specific details about the pics, stating that in some she is posing naked, so what, hardly a scandal. In others, only organs are shown, it can't be determined if she was even awake in them or consented. Couple that with GG's history it could certainlly be that she was drugged and that she DIDN'T consent to those. that doesn't mean she is being portrayed as Bambi.

JMHO
 
dmander said:
Natalee Holloway and now Robyn with no body evidence. Makes me wonder if these guys are into human trafficking. White blond women for money. Nab them on a beach, out to a waiting boat or plane.... Might also want to check private plane departures right after she was missing.

In any case I don't believe anything the BF has said so far. Just makes no sense at all. No boat, no snorkelling gear or rental....bloody hand print? Could be a weak ruse. But many of the real facts seem missing.
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Speaking of human trafficking, the BF is FB friends with an alleged Human Trafficker currently incarcerated at KIA. Alex Mathew owner of the Foxy Lady Aruba. I'm thinking it is not a good idea for RF to be FB friends with an inmate in the same jail as GG.
 
annalia said:
Facts are relevant, yes, many times things get posted as facts which are not facts, especially when it comes to robyn's personal life and what kind of person some think she was.

It is a fact that women have come forward making claims about GG's violent nature. It is not a leap to think he may have done the same to Robyn.

It is a fact that Robyn had been interested in modeling, it isn't a fact that it means *advertiser censored*. Those pics on the modeling site were suggestive but hardly considered *advertiser censored* in today's world. You can make an assumption but it isn't a fact.

It's a fact that she had known GG for at least a year, at one time they had a personal relationship that involved sex, maybe they were going to have sex again in Aruba. Big deal, it's 2011, women have been liberated, adult women have sex, they even enjoy it. Doesn't make her "that kind of person". Women get "enhancements", must be hundreds of thousands of women with boob jobs, doesn't make them all *advertiser censored* star wannabes.

It is a fact that she just lost her job. It is a fact that she was not in a good place with her boyfriend, they weren't married.

It's a fact that there were pornographic images found. It's also a fact that an Arubian local reporter, comes out and gives specific details about the pics, stating that in some she is posing naked, so what, hardly a scandal. In others, only organs are shown, it can't be determined if she was even awake in them or consented. Couple that with GG's history it could certainlly be that she was drugged and that she DIDN'T consent to those. that doesn't mean she is being portrayed as Bambi.

JMHO
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Absolutely. I agree with everything you said and appreciate the clarity with which you said it. Those are some of the apparent facts. And yes, facts are sometimes simply the fact that someone "said" something. And then one has to assess the credibility of that.

Yes. Those are facts. There are more.
 
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