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Isabelle said:
It sure took a while to find a doc willing to provide documentation for injuries that can't be proven at this late date!
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You really think a doctor is going to falsify medical records and use them in a felony murder case?

It is not that easy to do that. It is very easy for the feds to check back with his other records and verify everything. He would have to have nurses and receptionists agree to lie under oath as well.

Are you serious, or are you making a joke?
 
HiHater said:
A broken nose would be something I'd consider an emergency. :twocents:
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It really isn't depending on the break. I've had my nose broken several times and I never got it treated at all, much less on an urgent basis except maybe once, and I can't even say for sure it was so long ago. In any case, there's not much they can do for it unless your nose is so smashed that your breathing is seriously impaired and reconstructive surgery is needed
 
HiHater said:
Better yet, why decline medical care at the scene? Why decline follow up care after the appointment as well?:moo:
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I guess only GZ can answer that. But my experience tells me that men...tend to be...strong and manly. Men, as a rule, hate to be perceived as being sick or injured-- sorry for the stereotype! Men want to "save face" when they are sick or injured. Some men get angry that their human-ness is exposed when they are sick or injured. Maybe he was just embarrassed to have taken a whooping from a teen...who he knew full well he shot to death. Possibility for lots of mixed up emotions there.

I have worked in OB for years doing labor epidurals, etc. Have been confronted by LOTS of "angry" husbands/ SO's, for not coming "fast enough" to help their loved ones. Men (IMO) as a sort of stereotype, are problem solvers, and display anger or annoyance when confronting a situation where their weakenesses (lack of control, worry, fear, embarrassment) are exposed.
 
Just K said:
Altamonte is about 12 miles from Sanford....
Kind of far to go for a Family Practice and one that isn't an Urgent Care Facility.
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I drive 12 miles to go to Trader Joes. 12 miles is nothing. JMO
 
beach said:
This is exactly why the records are so important. MDs will document injuries AND the patient's account of how those injuries were sustained. HOWEVER, post-examination, if the MD felt there was a disconnect - IOW, didn't believe the injuries were consistent with what the patient was saying - he might not confront the patient, but he may very well document that it in the records. Even if he didn't document it, I am sure the MD will be deposed and questioned extensively on whether the injuries were consistent with GZ's story. He surely would have no reason to be anything but truthful.
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I was in no way implying that the doctor was being untruthful nor do I think she has any reason to be.

I do, however, suspect that Zimmerman has every reason to attempt to confirm his story of his head being beaten into the pavement as he told the police when, in truth, he MAY have gotten his injuries in any number of different ways.

JMO
 
Karmady said:
It really isn't depending on the break. I've had my nose broken several times and I never got it treated at all, much less on an urgent basis except maybe once, and I can't even say for sure it was so long ago. In any case, there's not much they can do for it unless your nose is so smashed that your breathing is seriously impaired and reconstructive surgery is needed
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Rather OT but your response reminded me of that scene in Million Dollar Baby when Clint Eastwood fixes Hilary Swank's nose *cringe*

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Just K said:
14 miles for a specialist in an urban area is one thing but 14 miles for a General Practitioner or Internal Medicine Facility seems a bit of a stretch given the 108 yellow page listings, in the Sanford vicinity, for the same.
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`14 miles is nothing. It is literally minutes out of one's day to drive 14 miles.

And maybe he had a hard time getting in anywhere else. Or maybe he knew someone there and/or had been a patient there before so he wanted to go back there.

It is just kind of weird how some are now accusing DOCTORS of falsifying medical records in a felony murder case, rather than accept that GZ might have been in a physical fight.
 
thefragile7393 said:
Rather OT but your response reminded me of that scene in Million Dollar Baby when Clint Eastwood fixes Hilary Swank's nose *cringe*

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More o/t but that was one of the saddest movies ever! I was sorry I watched it :(
 
HiHater said:
A broken nose would be something I'd consider an emergency. :twocents:
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I think in most situations, for most people, it would be considered an emergency - certainly would be for me. But to be fair, I think if I knew I'd just taken another human being's life, unless my eyeball was hanging out or I had bones jutting from my skin or such, my immediate concern would be trying to grasp and deal with the enormity of what had just happened.

For all we know, EMS could have told him he would probably be fine to wait on medical attention, given him an explanation of symptoms of a concussion and advice to seek help if he developed them. There's just too much we don't know yet. I hope we soon get to see the EMS and doctor's reports for ourselves.
 
Sherbie said:
I think in most situations, for most people, it would be considered an emergency - certainly would be for me. But to be fair, I think if I knew I'd just taken another human being's life, unless my eyeball was hanging out or I had bones jutting from my skin or such, my immediate concern would be trying to grasp and deal with the enormity of what had just happened.

For all we know, EMS could have told him he would probably be fine to wait on medical attention, given him an explanation of symptoms of a concussion and advice to seek help if he developed them. There's just too much we don't know yet. I hope we soon get to see the EMS and doctor's reports for ourselves.
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Good point.
 
This piece indicates that the Dr. Zimmerman saw the day after the incident stated that he was there so he could get legal clearance to return to work: http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...juries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7M_ylKV2j4

It doesn't sound like he went in *for* treatment.

Who knows what his experience with broken noses was? He may have had a broken nose before and known there isn't much that can be done about them. Maybe he googled 'broken nose treatment'. Maybe somebody at the police station mentioned his nose and said, "It's too bad they can't really do anything for those."

We just don't know.
 
14 miles is nothing to me either especially considering Sanford and Altamonte are connected by I-4. Takes only minutes to get between the two cities.

Altamonte is also a much bigger city. I still see my dentist there and it is a 32 mile one way trip for me. I also still use the same eye doctor that did my cataract surgery and he is almost 50 miles away.
 
wowitsdark said:
This piece indicates that the Dr. Zimmerman saw the day after the incident stated that he was there so he could get legal clearance to return to work: http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...juries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7M_ylKV2j4

It doesn't sound like he went in *for* treatment.

Who knows what his experience with broken noses was? He may have had a broken nose before and known there isn't much that can be done about them. Maybe he googled 'broken nose treatment'. Maybe somebody at the police station mentioned his nose and said, "It's too bad they can't really do anything for those."

We just don't know.
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My theory is that he didn't want to go in but after 10min of the wife nagging at him he gave in :floorlaugh:
 
AJ Noiter said:
My theory is that he didn't want to go in but after 10min of the wife nagging at him he gave in :floorlaugh:
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You made me laugh! My husband is like that only it usually takes much longer that 10 minutes for me.
 
AFAIK, no one here has accused the doc or his staff of falsifying anything.

What I do see is OPs wondering why if GZ was so severely injured, as he and his friends and family would have us believe, why would he not go to an ER or Urgent Care facility. In addition, he had 108 options in the Sanford Community and he chose to go 14 miles away to a doc whose specialty is Internal Medicine and Osteopathy.

The other point that OPs have made is that GZ could have further injured himself anytime after he left the police station and before going to the doc.

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Just K said:
AFAIK, no one here has accused the doc or his staff of falsifying anything.

What I do see is OPs wondering why if GZ was so severely injured, as he and his friends and family would have us believe, why would he not go to an ER or Urgent Care facility. In addition, he had 108 options in the Sanford Community and he chose to go 14 miles away to a doc whose specialty is Internal Medicine and Osteopathy.

The other point that OPs have made is that GZ could have further injured himself anytime after he left the police station and before going to the doc.

It is heart wrenching to see WS members accused of things that are not posted, AFAIK, here in the Trayvon threads.
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Now that I think about it, I too have to wonder why he needed to see this "family" physician, and refused treatment from all other outsiders (EMTs, nose/throat doc, ER)...no conspiracy, nothing nefarious, just wondering. It could be as simple as he doesn't trust medical professionals...
 
Just K said:
AFAIK, no one here has accused the doc or his staff of falsifying anything.

What I do see is OPs wondering why if GZ was so severely injured, as he and his friends and family would have us believe, why would he not go to an ER or Urgent Care facility. In addition, he had 108 options in the Sanford Community and he chose to go 14 miles away to a doc whose specialty is Internal Medicine and Osteopathy.

The other point that OPs have made is that GZ could have further injured himself anytime after he left the police station and before going to the doc.

It is heart wrenching to see WS members accused of things that are not posted, AFAIK, here in the Trayvon threads.
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Originally Posted by Isabelle
It sure took a while to find a doc willing to provide documentation for injuries that can't be proven at this late date!


Sorry, but when I read that post, it seemed to me like it was accusing the doctor of something. ' to find a doc willing to provide documentation...'

what else does that mean, 'to find a doc willing to provide documentation'

and to imply on top of that that it ' TOOK AWHILE'? Sorry, but the implication is there . JMO
 
katydid23 said:
Originally Posted by Isabelle
It sure took a while to find a doc willing to provide documentation for injuries that can't be proven at this late date!


Sorry, but when I read that post, it seemed to me like it was accusing the doctor of something. ' to find a doc willing to provide documentation...'

what else does that mean, 'to find a doc willing to provide documentation'

and to imply on top of that that it ' TOOK AWHILE'? Sorry, but the implication is there . JMO
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It implies "doctor shopping" on Zimmerman's behalf, and not falsification on a doctor's behalf.

JMO
 
HiHater said:
Now that I think about it, I too have to wonder why he needed to see this "family" physician, and refused treatment from all other outsiders (EMTs, nose/throat doc, ER)...no conspiracy, nothing nefarious, just wondering. It could be as simple as he doesn't trust medical professionals...
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I don't think he 'refused' treatment by the EMT's. I thought it was said they cleaned him up and 'cleared' him.

Why would he need to go to an ear/nose/throat specialist the next day? You usually need a referral to see a specialist like that. And they would not be available on an immediate basis, in my experience, anyway.

He did the 'normal' thing, imo. He went to a regular family clinic and had his injuries looked at.
 
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