17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #18

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LolaMoon08 said:
If GZ didn't want him speaking on his behalf... he would have his lawyers threaten legal action. If he was not given permission to be speaking on GZ's behalf then GZ has a right to ask him to stop or threaten to sue.
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I really doubt that he asked Oliver to tell everyone that he was surprised this whole thing hasn't blown over already.
 
highflyer said:
Why yes they certainly are. Zimmerman's friends, family and lawyer are in the media giving George's account. That is what we have from Zimmerman.
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ITA that if they are not speaking for him or not speaking accurately, he should issue a statement to that effect through his attorney.

My only point is that I'm not taking anything Joe Oliver or Frank Taafe say as gospel truth from GZ's mouth or otherwise. The two of them plus his dad and brother are almost enough for me to feel sorry for GZ. With friends like that...
 
katydid23 said:
I really doubt that he asked Oliver to tell everyone that he was surprised this whole thing hasn't blown over already.
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So you think Mr. Oliver just said it because he felt like it? Look, if GZ wanted to... he could have his lawyer release a statement on his behalf denying it and then he can politely ask that Mr. Oliver stop speaking to the media on GZ's behalf. If Mr. Oliver continues to do so... take legal action.
 
Adrienne37 said:
Well, I guess we can drop the speculation about whether or not Trayvon was at the 7-11 on the night of his murder...

Georgia Students Gather In Sanford For Trayvon Martin


A corporate spokeswoman for 7-Eleven said on Thursday they have a video secured at corporate headquarters showing Martin the night he was killed.
An executive with 7-Eleven viewed the tape and can confirm: "he observed an African American male in a hoodie purchase Skittles and an iced tea between 6 and 6:30 that evening."

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/30841174/detail.html#ixzz1rHyJyZmJ
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This is the most significant FACT that has come out in days. Adds to TM's credibility, his story -- not that his credibility should ever have come into question.
 
katydid23 said:
I really doubt that he asked Oliver to tell everyone that he was surprised this whole thing hasn't blown over already.
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I'm also sure he didn't want Frank Taffe (sp?) to go on national television and admit to the world that GZ had "fed up" issues?

It's GZ's job to put a stop to it. They are his friends and family. If they are saying things that are not true... tell them to stop?
 
angelmom said:
ITA that if they are not speaking for him or not speaking accurately, he should issue a statement to that effect through his attorney.

My only point is that I'm not taking anything Joe Oliver or Frank Taafe say as gospel truth from GZ's mouth or otherwise. The two of them plus his dad and brother are almost enough for me to feel sorry for GZ. With friends like that...
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Gz left Taafe a voice mail, thanking him for what he's been doing, GZ obviously approves of Taafe's message.

It doesn't make me feel sorry for GZ at all, sounds to me like birds of a feather.

JMHO
 
grandmaj said:
I dona't know Jeanna. Walking around is not a crime. Let me give you an example. When I go back east to visit with my daughter and grands, I often go outside and sit on a wall or walk down the street with the phone talking to my husband or work back home.

I'm an empty nester and while I enjoy every second of being with my grands, the noise and confusion and running etc., tends to wear on me after a while. My home is very quiet. So I take a nice long walk, sneak a cigg and just walk about.

Even though I'm a stranger in the neighborhood I've never been stopped or followed in the rain, or even the snow doing this.

Maybe Trayvon in that he was staying not in his own home, but visiting just felt isolated and wanted to talk to his girl on the phone and that is really all he was doing. Walking about trying to find some space away from the people he was staying with. I really can understand that. Because I'm not the type to stay in anyone else's house but my own.
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I agree with this - people should be able to walk around without fear of being suspected of doing more. Women should be able to walk at night without fear of being stalked and stared out, and made to feel afraid (real or imagined). I am staying away from home right now - not familiar with the neighborhood at all. Last night I went to walk my dogs and a guy was just standing around by the gates smoking. He watched me walk out and I could feel him watching while I walked and I started getting the creeps (my two chi-pins don't instill fear, they just annoy). I let them pee and started walking back to my place while one was still in mid stream. I couldn't get back in and lock the door fast enough.

This guy, and he was either spanish or white, hard to tell in the dark, really scared me. He wasn't doing anything but watching me. In my mind though, I know the guy could overtake me easily - so I made sure I was somewhere safe quickly. I had my cell, but I'd have felt really silly calling 911 at that point.

What I would not have done is say eff it, I have a right to be here as much as he does. Would I ask him what the he** he's looking at, no, that would be weird. So this is all on me ... until he starts following me - then I have to make some choices - a)take my bum home as fast as my legs will carry me, b)call 911, or c)put on my big girl panties and confront him. Of course I would choose "a" while simultaneously performing "b". "C", would not be an option - he could definitely take me, and he might have a gun. In Texas, the gun is always a pretty good bet.

So there is my sticking point - why didn't Trayvon just keep running all the way home if GZ was scaring him? The ONLY thing I can come up with is he wasn't scared and wanted to put a little fear into this *advertiser censored** 'le. Right or wrong, this is all I can come up with....and that it backfired, TM didn't consider there might be a gun.

When I get scared, I also get ticked off because I feel so helpless. I always think if I were a guy I could at least confront the jerks. So do I blame TM if this is what happened? Not at all - good for him. I just don't think anyone is going to buy that he was scared - and therefore, the arrest will never happen. I hate the SYG law as it applies to this case - but I hate more that Trayvon didn't just walk or run away from it. Guns give otherwise cowardly jerks confidence.

While I have your attention grandmaj - did you see my question about the picture shown to Tracy? Is that normal SOP? I always thought ID's were done at the morgue.

JMO!!
 
TonyGatto said:
This is the most significant FACT that has come out in days. Adds to TM's credibility, his story -- not that his credibility should ever have come into question.
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Good! Thankfully they made sure to say "purchased" that way any insinuations that Trayvon may have stole the items (receipts, etc...) can be put to rest.
 
Has anybody insinuated he stole the items? I've never seen or heard such an insinuation.
 
LolaMoon08 said:
So you think Mr. Oliver just said it because he felt like it? Look, if GZ wanted to... he could have his lawyer release a statement on his behalf denying it and then he can politely ask that Mr. Oliver stop speaking to the media on GZ's behalf. If Mr. Oliver continues to do so... take legal action.
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I think mr Oliver just has a ham-handed way of expressing things. He puts his foot in his mouth. Maybe the essence of what he was TRYING to express is there, but is done very insensitively. Maybe what he meant was that GZ felt confident that once people realized the facts and that he was legally defending himself, then things would work themselves out eventually. Or something more along those lines. But obviously, using words like ' blow over' is not what GZ was hoping for in a spokesman.

I don't think GZ is going to bother with any of these statements right now. He is probably overwhelmed and dealing with much bigger issues.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
Adding to the uncertainty and flux was the sense among some residents that this secured community was no longer so secure. There had been burglaries; at least seven in 2011, according to police reports. Strangers had started showing up, said Frank Taaffe, 55, a marketing specialist, originally from the Bronx, who works out of his home in the Retreat. He made it clear that he was not talking about just any strangers.

“There were Trayvon-like dudes with their pants down,” Mr. Taaffe said.

Last August, the homeowners association decided to create a neighborhood watch, and a Sanford police official came to the Retreat to explain the guidelines: volunteers do not possess police powers; they should not be armed; and they should be the eyes and ears for the police — but not vigilantes.

The group chose as its neighborhood watch coordinator the very man who had invited the official to speak: a man with thinning dark hair and an average build named George Zimmerman. The next month, the newsletter for the homeowners association included a cartoon of a man peering through a magnifying glass, à la Sherlock Holmes, next to a call for help: “We have recently experienced an increased incidence of crime within the community, including three break-ins in the past month, which is why having residents committed to being members of the Neighborhood Watch and reporting suspicious activities is so important. We must send a message that we will not tolerate this in our community!”

To get involved, the newsletter said, “Call George Zimmerman.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&hp

Wonder who the Officer was and I wonder if George showed them the cool gun he was packing.
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Did all the break-ins and crime start before GZ moved into the neighborhood or after ?
 
TonyGatto said:
This is the most significant FACT that has come out in days. Adds to TM's credibility, his story -- not that his credibility should ever have come into question.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone question that he went to 7-11. I was interested in the time it took him to walk there and back. Lying about his going to 7-11 would have been silly - it's easily proven with a video.
 
If I was investigating this incident... I would get that 7-11 tape just to make sure there is no sighting of GZ's truck or him coming into the store to make a purchase anywhere near the time Trayvon was there. Or even earlier to make sure he didn't purchase any alcohol... since they didn't test him.

This gives me a little hope that they may have been able to get the tapes from the apartment complex. Please! Please! Please have the tapes from the Apartment complex!
 
vlpate said:
I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone question that he went to 7-11. I was interested in the time it took him to walk there and back. Lying about his going to 7-11 would have been silly - it's easily proven with a video.
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There were a lot of people questioning whether he went to 7-11. Some even said he could have been carrying the Skittles and Tea for days? Some even wanted receipts?

So yes, it is a very significant piece of the puzzle and I wish we could see the actual tape.

MOO
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
Has anybody insinuated he stole the items? I've never seen or heard such an insinuation.
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Yes. It was probably two threads back. Some wanted to know where Trayvon's receipt was to prove he made the purchases. There was a big discussion about how most people do not get cash receipts from a store unless asked.
 
vlpate said:
So there is my sticking point - why didn't Trayvon just keep running all the way home if GZ was scaring him? The ONLY thing I can come up with is he wasn't scared and wanted to put a little fear into this *advertiser censored** 'le. Right or wrong, this is all I can come up with....and that it backfired, TM didn't consider there might be a gun.
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But what if the gun was already out? Would you turn your back on someone with a gun and run or would you try to talk to them, call for help, maybe cry "NOOOOOO!!!!" ??

What if you were lost and trying to get home but the next thing you know you are face to face with the person you are running from? And he has a loaded, semi-automatic weapon.

What if you thought you were being mugged and decided that you'd just give the guy the $22 in your pocket and pray he let you go home? But then he takes aim.

I can come up with a hundred reasons Trayvon didn't make it home but no reasonable one for why GZ should have been following him with a weapon after being told by dispatch that they did not need him to do that and they were on the way.
 
vlpate said:
I agree with this - people should be able to walk around without fear of being suspected of doing more. Women should be able to walk at night without fear of being stalked and stared out, and made to feel afraid (real or imagined). I am staying away from home right now - not familiar with the neighborhood at all. Last night I went to walk my dogs and a guy was just standing around by the gates smoking. He watched me walk out and I could feel him watching while I walked and I started getting the creeps (my two chi-pins don't instill fear, they just annoy). I let them pee and started walking back to my place while one was still in mid stream. I couldn't get back in and lock the door fast enough.

This guy, and he was either spanish or white, hard to tell in the dark, really scared me. He wasn't doing anything but watching me. In my mind though, I know the guy could overtake me easily - so I made sure I was somewhere safe quickly. I had my cell, but I'd have felt really silly calling 911 at that point.

What I would not have done is say eff it, I have a right to be here as much as he does. Would I ask him what the he** he's looking at, no, that would be weird. So this is all on me ... until he starts following me - then I have to make some choices - a)take my bum home as fast as my legs will carry me, b)call 911, or c)put on my big girl panties and confront him. Of course I would choose "a" while simultaneously performing "b". "C", would not be an option - he could definitely take me, and he might have a gun. In Texas, the gun is always a pretty good bet.

So there is my sticking point - why didn't Trayvon just keep running all the way home if GZ was scaring him? The ONLY thing I can come up with is he wasn't scared and wanted to put a little fear into this *advertiser censored** 'le. Right or wrong, this is all I can come up with....and that it backfired, TM didn't consider there might be a gun.

When I get scared, I also get ticked off because I feel so helpless. I always think if I were a guy I could at least confront the jerks. So do I blame TM if this is what happened? Not at all - good for him. I just don't think anyone is going to buy that he was scared - and therefore, the arrest will never happen. I hate the SYG law as it applies to this case - but I hate more that Trayvon didn't just walk or run away from it. Guns give otherwise cowardly jerks confidence.

While I have your attention grandmaj - did you see my question about the picture shown to Tracy? Is that normal SOP? I always thought ID's were done at the morgue.

JMO!!
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If George is someone that people may have to run from, then he shouldn't ever of been issued a gun permit, let alone a concealed carry.
 
LolaMoon08 said:
Yes. It was probably two threads back. Some wanted to know where Trayvon's receipt was to prove he made the purchases. There was a big discussion about how most people do not get cash receipts from a store unless asked.
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I must have missed that. I don't think anyone should question if he stole the items. And a receipt would be totally irrelevant to this case IMO.

I'm not sure why his trip to 7-11 even matters unless it's to construct a timeline.

JMO
 
Mr. Zimmerman’s father provided a different account, based on his conversations with his son. He said that George Zimmerman had lost sight of the hooded figure and was beginning to walk back to his vehicle when Trayvon appeared from his rear left side. He also described a conversation that began far differently than the one recalled by the girl on the phone.

“He did not see Trayvon until he was right there,” he said, at which point, Trayvon, cursing, asked if George Zimmerman had “a problem.”

“And George said, ‘No, I don’t have a problem,’ or ‘No, there is no problem.’ And Trayvon said, ‘You do now,’ and he punched George in the nose.”

Here even Mr. Zimmerman acknowledges that there is some confusion. He told an Orlando news station that George was reaching for his cellphone when Trayvon punched him. But, in a later interview with The New York Times, he said that he was unsure whether his son made that movement and that he might have conflated news media reports with what he thought his son may have told him.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/u...-a-review-of-ideals.html?pagewanted=5&_r=2&hp

So Mr. Zimmerman is backing away now from George telling him he backed up to reach for his phone and call police when Martin punched him.

My gut tells me he is backing away from that statement because George carries his cell phone on his belt right by his gun I bet. IMO
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
I must have missed that. I don't think anyone should question if he stole the items. And a receipt would be totally irrelevant to this case IMO.

I'm not sure why his trip to 7-11 even matters unless it's to construct a timeline.

JMO
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I think it does go to the timeline. I'm actually hoping we can get video of Trayvon leaving the complex, then at 7-11, and then coming back into the complex. Hopefully even have some video of him at the clubhouse. I think it would be nice to see what was so "suspicious" about Trayvon?

I also want to see if GZ had made his own trip to the 7-11 that day?
 
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