State v Bradley Cooper 3-18-2011

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CyberPro said:
Now, the key is: are their phone company records of this stuff if all the calls are local??
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I was just watching something on Dateline recently where this exact question came up in a trial and the answer was no - the local phone company did not have records of each local call. Could be a regional thing though.
 
Regarding his trunk: I had a car once that had a seat in the back that a section would fold down to the trunk (I used it for skis). If his car had this, he could have used that for NC's legs if rigor mortis had set in.

Regarding his "Ironman" training. He is training for endurance, he is not the Incredible Hulk. I am with a training team right now (for a marathon) and there are some tri's in it and they're in good shape, but they're normal people - not crazy strong from what I can see.
 
BrownRice said:
Regarding his trunk: I had a car once that had a seat in the back that a section would fold down to the trunk (I used it for skis). If his car had this, he could have used that for NC's legs if rigor mortis had set in.

Regarding his "Ironman" training. He is training for endurance, he is not the Incredible Hulk. I am with a training team right now (for a marathon) and there are some tri's in it and they're in good shape, but they're normal people - not crazy strong from what I can see.
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Been lurking here for a while.
Not sure if this has been posted before or not, but here's a link to the owner's manual for the 2001 BMW 325i :
http://www.bmwsections.com/_files/3s/2001_manual_3_sedan.zip

Might come in handy...:)

I found this on page 41 of the manual. It's in the section about the luggage compartment (the trunk):

"Floor mat
You can turn the floor mat over if required (for transporting soiled objects for instance).
The rubberized side may be washed.
It reduces movement of objects placed on it."
 
I know it was several pages back that someone suggested using the auto-redial feature (if you dial a number that is busy). I just wanted to add that IIRC, when I had BellSouth/ATT for a landline, if you selected the option to notify you when line was no longer busy, you would hang up your landline. It would give you a special ring to notify you when the other line was open and then once you picked up your landline, it would dial the other number. If my memories are correct, then wouldn't someone have to pick up the landline phone to get it to actually place the call to the cell phone?

The fax machine option seems more realistic to me. Of course, I know that forensic computer specialists seem to be able to find stuff on computers even when people think they have deleted them.

I am very interested in the phone calls and can't wait for those experts to get on the stand!
 
raisincharlie said:
Now I remember why Jessica Adam was likely right about the All detergent - from the custody issues it came out that Nancy and Brad had to get rid of their dog as Bella had allergies. Part of the custody rules for the Listers - no dogs.
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But the receipts showed lots of purchases of Tide (I thought it was 30 or so) and just 1 of All. And Tide does make a "free and clear" version. Did we hear details on the Tide "type"?
 
Cheyenne130 said:
On his first trip he walked into the store at 6:22 and walked out at 6:25. The second trip he walked in at 6:42 and walked out just short of 6:45.
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JMO - the second trip was a necessity and the timing of that one can be figured fairly well. From 6:25 am it is clear he walked out of HT, and assuming he really did go back to Wallsburg Ct., that he could drive from HT to Wallsburg and back to HT in 17 minutes. Assuming he did what he said, in that 17 minutes he also had time to realize there was no detergent, put his shoes back on and head back out the door.

Taking Brad's deposition regarding what he did in between and using the HT video - a one way trip to HT is at maximum 8.5 minutes. That includes looking about a house a bit, taking shoes off, putting shoes on, and finding a parking space.

The question for me is what time did he leave Wallsburg before the first trip. He doesn't seem to have a phone call to locate himself with for that trip.
 
carolinalady said:
But the receipts showed lots of purchases of Tide (I thought it was 30 or so) and just 1 of All. And Tide does make a "free and clear" version. Did we hear details on the Tide "type"?
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BJs does not carry a Free & Clear Tide. It has been a source of irritation for me for a long time.
 
cygnusx1 said:
And HT and the dump site are in opposite directions from the house.
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Thats probably why he took two different routes that morning - one headed toward the dump site, the second one was away from it. He described his routes during his depositions, his first trip to HT in essence could have provided easy access to Fielding without being seen on a major thoroughfare except for about 1/8th mile. The second trip was all major thoroughfares for maximum exposure and on a route clearly not in the vicinity of Fielding.
 
carolinalady said:
But the receipts showed lots of purchases of Tide (I thought it was 30 or so) and just 1 of All. And Tide does make a "free and clear" version. Did we hear details on the Tide "type"?
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Dunno for sure - thought it was Tide HE.
 
raisincharlie said:
If you go back to Brad's depositions - he described his routes, yes he took two different ones by his own admission, to HT while Alice Stubbs had him to draw them on a map. His first trip was a right on Lochmere Drive, that he says he took to Kildaire and up to HT.

Now if you look at a map - see Lily Atkins - guess where that comes out at ? Holly Springs and just north of that is Fielding Drive off of Holly Springs. South of the house and only slightly north of the dump site. He could have taken this route to dump the body and come back and proceed west on Lochmere Drive as planned before buying milk.

His second trip he claims was a left on Lochmere to Cary Parkway to Tryon to HT. North of the house area and the dump site. At Tryon and Kildaire intersection is where he said he got a call from Nancy, as he was waiting for the light.


So, his first trip, he sure is in the general area of the dump site. The only problem I have with all of this, is if he did murder Nancy close to 1 am, by 6 am her body might have been getting quite stiff from rigor.
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Yes, the 1st trip being closer to the dump site is telling. IMO, the 2nd trip was to establish the phone call from home and he made sure he was not as close to Fielding this time..hence he specifically said what location he took the call.

From what I read, rigor commences after 3 hours and is fully engaged at 12 hours (moves from face to limbs). I would think the body would still be relatively pliable when he loaded it in the trunk before 6:15AM.
 
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Tide HE - Free & Gentle
 
Hey guys

Looking at a friends phone.

He has a samsung black jack.

It has an app on it called spoof 2.0


Isn't this the missing sw in the Cooper case? For a black jack?

Interesting.....
 
johnfear said:
Hey guys

Looking at a friends phone.

He has a samsung black jack.

It has an app on it called spoof 2.0


Isn't this the missing sw in the Cooper case? For a black jack?

Interesting.....
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I just looked in the market for my phone. It looks like all that does is fake your caller id for the person receiving the call. It could be a different app. I don't have a blackjack.
 
per_curiam said:
Shopping for groceries is a necessity. It doesn't make someone a great dad, in my mind.
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No, but other things did indicate to me that he was a good dad. The testimony from the neighbors at the party, describing how BC was on "kid duty", had to watch them the whole time, feed them and take them home early. In my experience, I wouldn't have done that when my kids were that young. My husband wasn't great at knowing how to calm down the fussing, not eating, getting them to sleep, etc. I think it says a lot about his involvement as a father. That and the fact that he was sleeping in the baby's room.

Oh, and regarding the allowance they keep referring to, they're trying to make it appear that he was controlling but I don't necessarily see it that way. If I was going through a separation and my husband was afraid I would take the kids to another country, I can understand him trying to prevent that from happening by closing off full access to the bank accounts, especially since he seemed like a pretty involved father (to me).
 
Back to the juicy juice vs naked juice. Who testified about the juicy juice? I read about it in the N&O this a.m. and that was the first I'd heard about it and I thought I had watched all of the testimony online.
 
sunshine05 said:
I can understand him trying to prevent that from happening by closing off full access to the bank accounts, especially since he seemed like a pretty involved father (to me).
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The problem though is he took her off all accounts (and didn't tell her) a couple months before the separation started (i.e. before she consulted an attorney to draft a separation agreement). That's passive/aggressive and mean. A man who unilaterally removes all access to accounts from his wife, with NO discussion is not, IMHO, a good guy with an open and honest agenda.

AND, this 'good guy' couldn't wait for Nancy and the girls to leave and go back to Canada. UNTIL he saw that sep. agreement & saw what it might cost him, he was pushing Nancy to leave by April 25. There was no custody agreement or anything at issue when he wanted her gone in April. He had no problem with her taking the girls and going away.

Testimony from several is that BC was NOT an involved father until those last couple of months when he was trying to look more involved. He worked a lot, trained for a very involved sport (Ironman) and, until Dec 2007, was also in an MBA program. How much time do you think he really spent with his kids? There wouldn't be many hours left, if at all.
 
sunshine05 said:
No, but other things did indicate to me that he was a good dad. The testimony from the neighbors at the party, describing how BC was on "kid duty", had to watch them the whole time, feed them and take them home early. In my experience, I wouldn't have done that when my kids were that young. My husband wasn't great at knowing how to calm down the fussing, not eating, getting them to sleep, etc. I think it says a lot about his involvement as a father. That and the fact that he was sleeping in the baby's room.

Oh, and regarding the allowance they keep referring to, they're trying to make it appear that he was controlling but I don't necessarily see it that way. If I was going through a separation and my husband was afraid I would take the kids to another country, I can understand him trying to prevent that from happening by closing off full access to the bank accounts, especially since he seemed like a pretty involved father (to me).
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Is it a fact that he was sleeping in the baby's room? I know there was a crib in his room but was the baby still sleeping in there? (Actually she was a toddler by then since she was 2.)
 
CyberPro said:
Nope, it is easy.

VOIP set to dial the home number at X+ Yminutes.
Landline Phone Set to Call Forward to the Cell
Remember the ring to "find the phone"? When you set call forwarding from a phone, it calls the number you are forwarding it to.
VOIP system makes the call as programmed, hits landline and is forwarded to cell.

Now, the key is: are their phone company records of this stuff if all the calls are local??
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If you are meaning the call goes out from his Cisco IP Phone then the call would go across Cisco's network then off-network to the local phone carrier then off-network again to the cell carrier. Each of those networks would have a record of the call.

I thought Cisco already said they had no record of these calls.
 
sunshine05 said:
No, but other things did indicate to me that he was a good dad. The testimony from the neighbors at the party, describing how BC was on "kid duty", had to watch them the whole time, feed them and take them home early. In my experience, I wouldn't have done that when my kids were that young. My husband wasn't great at knowing how to calm down the fussing, not eating, getting them to sleep, etc. I think it says a lot about his involvement as a father. That and the fact that he was sleeping in the baby's room.

Oh, and regarding the allowance they keep referring to, they're trying to make it appear that he was controlling but I don't necessarily see it that way. If I was going through a separation and my husband was afraid I would take the kids to another country, I can understand him trying to prevent that from happening by closing off full access to the bank accounts, especially since he seemed like a pretty involved father (to me).
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The holes that I see are Brad was fine with Nancy and the kids returning to Canada back in April of 2008, he even offered to get a moving van. This from Brad's depositions. He was fine with it until he got a copy of the separation agreement and got a clue as to how much it was going to cost him in alimony and child support (way more than $300 a week), then all bets were off.

Prior to April, he worked, he was in school, and training for Iron Man things, how much time did he have for his children really prior to April ? As to the kid duty, actually there has been a lot of testimony by friends and neighbors. Given their attitudes about Brad, personnally I don't blame him for going and playing with the kids, nor do I blame him for volunteering to take the kids home just to get away from it. Does that make him a good dad or self serving? The picture of the tv in the doorway didn't scream "good Dad " to me, I found it rather alarming actually since the tv was elevated and it could have fallen on the kids if pushed.

Honestly I can't say if he was a good Dad or not. I suspect he had his moments. What I can say is if he had a woman in his closet while his child was in the room off of that closet, that is not a good Dad, that is a self absorbed fella who quite frankly doesn't much care. I can also say that I believe if he killed Nancy, that is definitely not a good Dad.
 
SleuthinNC said:
If you are meaning the call goes out from his Cisco IP Phone then the call would go across Cisco's network then off-network to the local phone carrier then off-network again to the cell carrier. Each of those networks would have a record of the call.

I thought Cisco already said they had no record of these calls.
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No testimony yet.....just said by Kurtz during opening statements.
 
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