George Zimmerman's Injuries #1

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Kimberlyd125 said:
We don't know if GZ was/is taking them. Just that they were prescribed.

I have about 10 prescriptions in my medicine cabinet that I don't take.
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I would think it would be worse for him if he admitted he wasn't taking them. The doctor prescribed them for a reason, wouldn't you think???? jmo
 
whiteangora said:
IMO, he's calling the shots as to what gets released. Anything that makes his client look good will come out and anything that casts any doubt (or as O'Mara calls it "inflammatory evidence") will be held back. He's got this all figured out while the lottery pot grows. imo
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ITA! How better to make his client look good than to finesse the info that is "leaked"? And then feel justified in splitting hairs in his response, so that he can dissemble and come out smelling like a rose. I cannot believe this was leaked and was leaked so quickly! And was not leaked until such time as the defence got the discovery.
 
LinasK said:

BBM . :hand: But Trayvon was just "an unarmed boy who had just bought candy"... He committed no crime, had no burglary tools on him. Meanwhile, there are some who suppose George stood over Trayvon after he shot him and frisked his pockets! Imagine what surprise George must have felt! He had plenty of time prior to his bond hearing to express his remorse to Trayvon's parents...
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BBM

I thought that GZ was told by LE and/or attorneys not to contact the Martin"s?
 
Dr.Fessel said:
He wasn't asked if he released it. This was not a court document, it was just Georges medical report. There are no court stamps on the top of it.
If he gave it to ABC or sold it to them he could answer honestly he did not leak it because it was not a leak.

If he did release it he can say he did not "leak" it to help Zimmerman.

He can say anything he wants because ABC will never disclose who gave it to them.
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BBM

I said on another thread that I think the likely source of the leak is MOM.

That said,

Even when these docs are released per the Sunshine Laws, there will not be any court stamps on them. Discovery is exchanged between the parties and the only thing filed with the Court will be a Notice of Discovery. A simple, one page notice advising the Court that the parties have exchanged specific discovery docs.

I do know that in Florida the Clerks office gets copies of the discovery exchanged to release to anyone willing to pay for the copies. Also, they have a room where you can review the docs if you don't want to pay for the copies.

The only time you will ever see any of these documents officially filed with the Court will be right before entering them into evidence at a hearing or trial. Even then, they will be entered with an evidence sticker identifying them by a # for the official court transcript.
 
norest4thewicked said:
BBM

I thought that GZ was told by LE and/or attorneys not to contact the Martin"s?
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We don't know that. I highly doubt LE would tell him that, and since his other attorneys are off the case, we'll never know if they advised him of that or not...
 
Montjoy said:
Tacking on 'imo' doesn't change the fact that what you wrote is incorrect as written. Being punched is not in itself justification for using lethal force under SYG. The person who uses lethal force needs to have a *reasonable* belief that his/her life is threatened or that they are going to suffer grievous harm. Considering that GZ used to be a bouncer, being punched by a slim youth should not give him a reasonable fear for his life. I can't believe how often I've had to read this misinformation, often from the same posters over and over again.
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You make a really good point! Who of us actually believes that in a dust up someone is out to kill us??? And GZ had the gun! And Trayvon was a young kid with no gun, only fists at best. Usually and reasonably fists do not kill.

It is unreasonable, IMO, to think that Trayvon was going to kill GZ. Heck, he wasn't even a bouncer, bodyguard, secret agent, militia type, 200 lbs, versed in the art of boxing or martial arts, etc etc. Seriously, how can you fear for your life in a fist fight? From this callow kid? It makes no sense.
 
LambChop said:
I would think it would be worse for him if he admitted he wasn't taking them. The doctor prescribed them for a reason, wouldn't you think???? jmo
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Every Dr. has a reason for prescribing every medicine.
But, that does not mean we always take them.

Like I said, I have several prescriptions that I don't take.
Just one example:
Tramadol (for fibromyalgia pain) makes me sick. I have a full prescription minus 1 pill.

There are many reasons people don't take a medicine.

Again, just because something is prescribed does not mean its taken.

The fact is we don't know if he was taking it.
That's why I responded to a post that stated GZ was taking them.


JMO
 
LambChop said:
But the doctor recommended he see one. You go to a doctor and then ignore his advice?? GZ seems to do that a lot with authority figures. And it does seem as if he got what he wanted to prove he was hurt and did not need a specialist to tell him it wasn't broken. I would think if it really bothered him he would have gone. jmo
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I ignore dr's advice all the time.

If it's going to cost additional $ and I do not believe that what they are suggesting is necessary - or at the very least, that I can hold off doing something they suggested to determine if I *really* need to go to the trouble - I don't jump just because a dr. suggested that I do.

More often than not, the situation resolves itself without me ever going in again.

Dr's have to suggest things to cover themselves from sue-happy people who might later complain that they didn't do enough. Doesn't mean that their referrals are always warranted.
 
Most broken noses heal on their own.

IMO it was not necessary to see an ENT unless a problem occurred.

JMO

ETA: I pulled a lot of info regarding broken noses for the other GZ injury thread that is now closed. I'll see if I can find it.
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
Every Dr. has a reason for prescribing every medicine.
But, that does not mean we always take them.

Like I said, I have several prescriptions that I don't take.
Just one example:
Tramadol (for fibromyalgia pain) makes me sick. I have a full prescription minus 1 pill.

There are many reasons people don't take a medicine.

Again, just because something is prescribed does not mean its taken.

The fact is we don't know if he was taking it.
That's why I responded to a post that stated GZ was taking them.


JMO
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Yes, and we'll never know if he WAS taking his meds or not because the SPD wasn't doing their JOBS. Adderall is an amphetamine and even if only tested for "illegal drugs" it WOULD have shown up.
 
Signs and symptoms of a broken nose may appear immediately or may take up to three days to develop. Signs and symptoms may include:

Pain or tenderness, especially when touching your nose
Swelling of your nose and surrounding areas
Bleeding from your nose
Bruising around your nose or eyes
Crooked or misshapen nose
Difficulty breathing through your nose
Discharge of mucus from your nose (rhinorrhea)
Feeling that one or both of your nasal passages are blocked


If you have a minor fracture that hasn't caused your nose to become crooked or otherwise misshapen, you may not need professional medical treatment. Your doctor may recommend simple self-care measures, such as using ice on the area and taking over-the-counter pain medications.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/broken-nose/DS00992/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
Every Dr. has a reason for prescribing every medicine.
But, that does not mean we always take them.

Like I said, I have several prescriptions that I don't take.
Just one example:
Tramadol (for fibromyalgia pain) makes me sick. I have a full prescription minus 1 pill.

There are many reasons people don't take a medicine.

Again, just because something is prescribed does not mean its taken.

The fact is we don't know if he was taking it.
That's why I responded to a post that stated GZ was taking them.


JMO
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That might be the reason George displayed such crazy decision making that night, he was off his meds.
 
Dr.Fessel said:
That might be the reason George displayed such crazy decision making that night, he was off his meds.
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I guess if you consider his decision making crazy, that might be a reason.
We will never know.
IMO
 
believe09 said:
Iliotibial band syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Illiotibial Band Syndrome applies to the knee joint. :) I am pretty certain that is what the medical person is referring to. You can get it when you hyperextend the joint side to side. I had it once.
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I'm the "KZ" the poster was referring to. (That part of the quote didn't come thru.)

It's my opinion that the "IBS" in the snippet of GZ's summary narrative is "given dx of IBS", meaning, a prior diagnosis/ history of Irritable Bowel Syndrome. The sentence is in continuity (same sentence and bullet point) with the pain pill discussion of the presribed "Lodine", which is an NSAID. NSAID's are well known for GI irritation as a side effect, and it's my opinion that the health care provider was discussing potential side effects from the NSAID-- demonstrating that he/ she counseled the patient about risks of the med.
 
Hi Kimberlyd125,

In answer to this part of your post on the other thread:

But the injuries were documented on the initial police report.
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I disagree. The police report said he was bleeding from his nose and his head.

It did NOT say his nose was broken. Even the leaked medical report did not say that IIRC, it said a "probable" broken nose.
 
K_Z said:
I'm the "KZ" the poster was referring to. (That part of the quote didn't come thru.)

It's my opinion that the "IBS" in the snippet of GZ's summary narrative is "given dx of IBS", meaning, a prior diagnosis/ history of Irritable Bowel Syndrome. The sentence is in continuity (same sentence and bullet point) with the pain pill discussion of the presribed "Lodine", which is an NSAID. NSAID's are well known for GI irritation as a side effect, and it's my opinion that the health care provider was discussing potential side effects from the NSAID-- demonstrating that he/ she counseled the patient about risks of the med.
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I fully agree with your interpretation of IBS and its congruency with the rest of the statement.
 
This seems relevant to both the Injury Threads so I am posting it in both places. Hope that is okie dokie:
All of GZ's medical complaints can easily be explained by his grabbing Tm, slipping in the wet grass, tumbling to the ground and Trayvon coming down on top of him:

Sore back (coming from a fall...they did end up on the ground)

"LIKELY" Broken Nose (any part of TM, an elbow, a knee, his head, anything could have bumped into GZ's nose as they tumbled to the ground)

Two lacerations, one 1/4 inch area were skin was dug out and the 1 inch one that went across his scalp could have come either by hitting his head up against any hard object, the tree, the poop disposal can, the white drainage grates or they could be from TM's fingernails.

DG, never said that the injuries were only consistent with hitting his head against something harder. He said, re: the possibility that it was from concrete, "it could be."
When pressed by O'Mara as to whether DG said it was consistent he said, "I said consistent."

However, O'Mara left out the fact that the "lacerations" were superficial and thus almost anything harder than skin could have caused those lacerations.

ALL IMO.
 
I don't care a lick about the "fractured" nose and what it would look like/not have looked like a day or a week after. I agree with Dr Fessel in a previous post that TM may have head butted GZ as GZ was trying to restrain him.
This was MY personal theory all along (that the injuries were caused to GZ as TM was trying to get away from him)
I hope that the evidence is released very soon because all these "theories" on both sides of the spectrum in MSM is causing a world of civil unrest in many parts of this country (Imagine these forums * a billion). "Leaks" should not be happening in an honest, legal setting. These games are enough to make me want to hurl. The sunshine laws are laws for a reason.. they need to just release the documents already!
(yes, yes i know there's a process but the waiting is interminable....)
 
deelytful1 said:
I don't care a lick about the "fractured" nose and what it would look like/not have looked like a day or a week after. I agree with Dr Fessel in a previous post that TM may have head butted GZ as GZ was trying to restrain him.
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And yet TM suffered no injuries to his head after butting GZ so hard he gave him a broken nose and two black eyes?
<respectfully snipped>
JMO
 
IzzyBlanche said:
Hi Kimberlyd125,

In answer to this part of your post on the other thread:



I disagree. The police report said he was bleeding from his nose and his head.

It did NOT say his nose was broken. Even the leaked medical report did not say that IIRC, it said a "probable" broken nose.
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I never said the police report said he had a broken nose.

We were discussing the fact that some think it's possible that GZ or one if his friends "broke" his nose after that night and before the Dr. visit.

The police were there within a few minutes of the shot. GZ was bleeding from his nose according to the initial police report.

I think it's highly unlikely his injuries were self inflicted after he was released from the police station that night.

HIGHLY unlikely.

JMO
 
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