Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #16

c2cd208 said:

I said it then http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2294303&postcount=382 and stand by it now. I think this is the work of two young men. I personally do not see this as a pro hit, I think Taylor was the target as others have said and I think Skyla was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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If this is the case, then there is at least one other kid out there, IMO, who knows why this may have happened. I just cannot believe that a teenager could keep this under their hat - unless they are afraid of retaliation. If there were two teen shooters, one of them will turn on the other - I hope. Or at least one of their families is onto them. These were brutal, and possibly, very personal murders. Teenagers, no matter the motive, will tip their hands at some point.

c2cd208 said:

I said it then http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2294303&postcount=382 and stand by it now. I think this is the work of two young men. I personally do not see this as a pro hit, I think Taylor was the target as others have said and I think Skyla was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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I completely agree that poor Skyla was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Fairy1 said:

If this is the case, then there is at least one other kid out there, IMO, who knows why this may have happened. I just cannot believe that a teenager could keep this under their hat - unless they are afraid of retaliation. If there were two teen shooters, one of them will turn on the other - I hope. Or at least one of their families is onto them. These were brutal, and possibly, very personal murders. Teenagers, no matter the motive, will tip their hands at some point.

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Let's pray that there were two killers. That is the best case scenario right now to solve these murders. If it was teenagers, I believe they have some pretty determined parents who will stop at nothing to protect them. Pretty scary thought though. I'd be afraid if I were them. What's to stop them from killing the parents so they won't talk?

Lauren - CA said:

Let's pray that there were two killers. That is the best case scenario right now to solve these murders. If it was teenagers, I believe they have some pretty determined parents who will stop at nothing to protect them. Pretty scary thought though. I'd be afraid if I were them. What's to stop them from killing the parents so they won't talk?

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What’s to stop one from killing the other to hush the other one? And it not necessarily look like murder. IE: Suicide, sudden overdose, car accident?

Anyone local know if there have been any suicides of young men or suspicious looking accidents where a young man has died recently?

If we have learnt one thing from the Caylee case it is that kids these days can completely disassociate. It is possible that these person(s) or person has that ability.

c2cd208 said:

What’s to stop one from killing the other to hush the other one? And it not necessarily look like murder. IE: Suicide, sudden overdose, car accident?

Anyone local know if there have been any suicides of young men or suspicious looking accidents where a young man has died recently?

If we have learnt one thing from the Caylee case it is that kids these days can completely disassociate. It is possible that these person(s) or person has that ability.

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OMG - I have 2 teenagers (great kids BTW), but if I knew or even suspected one of them could have done something like THIS - I would not hesitate to turn them in! But that's just me - and I do believe I would be in the minority. IDK about suicides in this area - have to hope LE would be all over that - but I do recall hearing there are some folks in the area who have been difficult to track down. Hard to believe they're summering at their vacation homes....

I had an interesting conversation with a bonafide Bandido today. While there are those that may be total scumbags, the impression I got was the majority would never mess with kids and those that would mess with kids like that stood to be sought after by the majority. I found it quite intriguing. Anyway, just thought I would mention it. Their "brothers" wouldn't be hiding them if they knew I guess is my point.

I posted this back in an older thread, but Eldon Kelough is a former police officer with the Creek Nation Tribal Police (The Light Horsemen). He is no longer in that position but supposedly did call the Okfuskee Cty Sheriff's Dept and offer his "help" in this case - he was told he wasn't needed. And yes, his family (and extended family) have a long and colorful history with LE - from the other side. The family are "Creek Tribal Members" - I believe they are all at least 1/4 Native American - some perhaps more, 1/2+ Native American. They would possibly know a dozen local people matching the description of the POI and they live only a little over a mile from the crime scene. According to my local contact the POI was seen at least by one witness prior to the gunshots on the road to that goes past the Kelough's property (off Bryant Road - the road just N of the crime scene). The family does own firearms.

LE would like to speak with several of the Southern Family Men that are staying (at least part of the time) with or on the Kelough property. I believe Tavis (married to Crystal Kelough) is the youngest mentioned - early 30's.

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SeriouslySearching said:

I had an interesting conversation with a bonafide Bandido today. While there are those that may be total scumbags, the impression I got was the majority would never mess with kids and those that would mess with kids like that stood to be sought after by the majority. I found it quite intriguing. Anyway, just thought I would mention it. Their "brothers" wouldn't be hiding them if they knew I guess is my point.

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SS - I completely believe this is true! While I have considered the Bandidos in this case, I just don't see them taking out two young children who were not involved in any of their "business." Both girls have plenty of relations in lock-up who could have been targeted. I just cannot see a gang as sophisticated as the Bandidos taking out innocent children. I'm still on the fence about the "clown" folks, though. They seem to be much younger and much more "knee-jerk" in their violence.

FlowerChild, if I'm not wrong, I think Tavis Southern and Dillon Harris are both 25. I think they were born in '83.

I'd be interested in knowing if there are any of their family members in high school.

Claycat said:

FlowerChild, if I'm not wrong, I think Tavis Southern and Dillon Harris are both 25. I think they were born in '83.

I'd be interested in knowing if there are any of their family members in high school.

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Hmmm, good point. Seems the apples don't fall far from the trees in this area, huh?

Fairy1 said:

OMG - I have 2 teenagers (great kids BTW), but if I knew or even suspected one of them could have done something like THIS - I would not hesitate to turn them in! But that's just me - and I do believe I would be in the minority. IDK about suicides in this area - have to hope LE would be all over that - but I do recall hearing there are some folks in the area who have been difficult to track down. Hard to believe they're summering at their vacation homes....

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Older teens may not live at home and may not be really close with mom and dad.
I too would not hesitate to turn in one of my children if I had an idea they were involved in something sinister; however there are so many people off all ages these days doped up on meth, or prescription drugs. If a parent were a doper they may be so consumed with their own welfare that they would not notice the teens acting strange, or even if they did the doped up parent may fear going to LE for fear they would get in trouble for their own drug usage. But what the people on dope fail to realize is that LE is more interested in closing a hard core case like this than they are on a dope head and most times will take the dope heads statements and not bother them for their drug usage.

I dont usually say alot. I just sit back and read... and think.

And my mind is going back to the beginning along with other posters. One thing that sticks out in my mind the most, was when Rosser made the comment that they may have walked up upon something. Could it be that we "can't see the forest for the trees?" That maybe it is "as plain as the nose on our face?" I keep picturing the video where OSBI went back out that following Thurs. The one from KOCO TV, titled Raw Video. They were walking into the woods, and near the creek. (sry I can't get to the link on this computer)

I know we have dismissed most things involving that bridge, but could our answers really be close to there? I had the strongest feeling that the girls walked up onto something. Boys...maybe young men. maybe both... and that the girls said something then left towards the house, feeling safe. Didnt someone once say that Taylor had made a previous comment to someone... gonna tell? (I keep going to mapquest aerial view and looking again and again)

I picture the boys started talking to each other about that they cant be caught! And got in the vehicle and caught up with the girls. Decided during their conversation that they were gonna have to get rid of the girls. PERMANENTLY or they would be in BIG trouble.

I never felt the poi had anything to do with this. That whoever called him in saw him in the area, and pointed fingers. It was 4 days later. I;m still not comfortable with this, even tho OSBI said that the person who saw him has been cleared, but personally, I dont know what to believe anymore. I just know what I deeply felt at the beginning of all this. That it was young men. More than one. That they turned around in the road, thus leaving the tracks that showed they turned and went back the way they came. And when they did, stopped the vehicle, got out, confronted the girls. Could someone have been in the back, or standing up with the passenger door open shooting? Could it have been that Taylor was actually closer because she stepped forward, in a protective manner over Skyla? And she knew these guys thus wasn't afraid? What did they find up there at the bridge, or in the woods, or pasture? Is it so simple we cant see it? Maybe we just cant believe it so we toss it aside? Are we making more out of it than actually happened?

I would like to go back, retrace steps. Did they take a turtle off the road and into a clearing, or near something. I know when I was a kid and walked old roads, I would have been down by the creek, or ANYWHERE that looked like it may be something different, or interesting. Are there any other structures out there where something could have been hidden from view?
What is a portable meth lab? I keep remembering talk about that. Why was it dismissed?
I have children in Henryetta..... late 20's early 30's. They say it is commanly talked about that there are so many meth labs around that it is unbelievable! I can believe it. But for fear of hurting someones feelings describing the characteristics of the young people of these towns, I will keep my mouth shut. But I do have enough connections to believe it. I have only been gone from there a few years.

Sorry for the long post, but I am leaning towards what was first mentioned and what Clay Cat said. I think the answer isnt as complicated as we think.
These are just my feelings and not to be taken as factual. But my feelings turn out to be right, alot. I'm not psychic, but I have found that when I trust my gut instinct, I usually hit the nail on the head.

To answer your question about what a portable meth lab is, it is simply any site, location that someone sets up to cook meth. I have a very personal friend who is DEA and I have seen pictures of scenes he has worked. Meth labs can be anywhere, in the trunk of a car, in a barrell, just anywhere a person decides to cook then precure the product. Some "cooks" can get pretty inventive with theri setups. I once seen where a man had a underground shelter of sorts where he cooked his meth. He had taken a backhoe he barrowed from a friend, dug a hole and dropped a pup trailer in the ground, covered it up and had an enterance to get inside that was not noticeable. He had a ventilation system and would go into his bunker so to say and do what he did. These guys who cook dope are smart to some extent, they can make the stuff anywhere. I know a guy who goes on a camping trip to cook his stuff way off in the woods for a few days. So you can really do it just about anywhere.

frog I just read your post - something popped in my mind and I am going to throw it out there - (I hope this doesn't offend anyone) but some people think this crime is somehow sexual in nature - some defend the thought that the girls hadn't been sexually molested - well, what if both are true - the girls hadn't been molested or treated improperly in any sexual manner - yet the crime was sexual in nature because perhaps the girls may have walked up on 2 boys 'experimenting' with each other - I can see the boys 'losing it' over the thought that the girls might rat them out - especially if the boys were the cool guys in school, athletes or what have you. If they had originally been to the bridge shooting guns, they would have had them with them - I know it seems far fetched, but I finally got up my nerve to post what first came into my mind after reading frogs post. Does this make any sense to anyone or shall I just go back to being an observer? It is only a theory that came to mind - my opinion for the time being. Thanks for listening

Annie said:

Why are some of you assuming the girls hadn't eaten all day? It only takes two to three hours for the stomach to empty, so even if they had eaten a couple of meals that day their stomachs could still be empty at 5:00 p.m. They did take the internal temperatures of the girls as indicated on the autopsy report, so if they were killed any earlier LE should be able to tell that. If it was a really hot day though the body temp might not have dropped.

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I have thought the same thing Annie. They could have had something to eat around lunchtime and their stomachs would be empty by 5:00 pm.

Per Frog : And my mind is going back to the beginning along with other posters. One thing that sticks out in my mind the most, was when Rosser made the comment that they may have walked up upon something. portable meth lab? I keep remembering talk about that. Why was it dismissed?


There was even a TV show on cable about a portable meth lab. I had read that they busted one in the parking lot at the casino. When we first started discussing this case I did alot of "googleing" and believe me there is ALOT of that going on in OK regardless who wants to state there isn't. Uncle Joe & others even stated that.
My mom lived in a small town in Centeral Fl & she keep telling me about these neighbors & the weird smell I just blew it off boy did I feel bad when they busted them yup they had a meth lab.

We keep saying OMG who could do this to these young girls...what a monster...NEWS FLASH Meth Heads or someone protecting their business could in a heart beat JMO

I was all for the meth lab theory, but as I recall it was "shut down" by FC and her "sources" saying it wasn't happening there. (shrugs shoulders)

I also brought up the possibility that the area would be an excellent location for Drug/Gun dealers to meet with a local person or a person from Tulsa if they were bringing stuff in from anywhere (particularly Texas).

Ann Fan said:

frog I just read your post - something popped in my mind and I am going to throw it out there - (I hope this doesn't offend anyone) but some people think this crime is somehow sexual in nature - some defend the thought that the girls hadn't been sexually molested - well, what if both are true - the girls hadn't been molested or treated improperly in any sexual manner - yet the crime was sexual in nature because perhaps the girls may have walked up on 2 boys 'experimenting' with each other - I can see the boys 'losing it' over the thought that the girls might rat them out - especially if the boys were the cool guys in school, athletes or what have you. If they had originally been to the bridge shooting guns, they would have had them with them - I know it seems far fetched, but I finally got up my nerve to post what first came into my mind after reading frogs post. Does this make any sense to anyone or shall I just go back to being an observer? It is only a theory that came to mind - my opinion for the time being. Thanks for listening

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I have also thought of this scenario. Sexuality at that age can be a HUGE issue of confusion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. All are welcome!

Welcome!!!

Food Digestion:

In stomach 2 to 4 hours

In small intestine 4 to 6 hours

In colon 12 to 20 hours.

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doesn't appear the girls had eaten much of anything in a 10-12 hour period.

SS I'm telling that is not so far fetched either..

http://www.koco.com/news/16609408/detail.html

A suspected meth lab started a small fire that woke up guests at an Oklahoma City motel Saturday morning.

Police say a man was making the drug in the bathroom of a room on the second floor of the Comfort Inn near Interstate 44 and May Avenue, when the room caught fire.
http://www.oklahoma-tribes.com/comanche-nation/comanchenationnews.html

The Comanche Nation Police Department (CNPD) defused an explosive situation at Comanche Casino and busted a meth lab North of the Comanche Nation Complex.

Methamphetamine "meth"is a powerful, addictive drug that is illegally "cooked" in makeshift labs. Meth can be found in the form of pills, capsules, powder, or chunks; it can be smoked, snorted, injected or eaten. Meth is also called "crank", "speed", "crystal", and "ice". Meth labs have dramtically increased over the past several years becuase recipes are more easy to get a hold which in turn makes it relatively easy and cheap to make resulting in highs that lasts about two to 14 hours versus 15 minutes.
Meth destroys the body in dangerous ways. It destroys brain cells, which cannot be replaced. It also changes the brain's chemistry and wiring to pleasure centers.