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Scentamental said:
IMO...it seems like some DNA/Lab results should be back by now.
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IMO - Many lab results have come back. None have been conclusive as to pointing at a murderer whose DNA could not otherwise be explained through innocent means, (assuming results returned with any DNA.) If they had found some unknown DNA that pointed to the murderer, I believe LE would start going public with more information.

As far as I know, no one has even RUMORED that LE collected DNA samples from ANY witnesses, (to me that tells me that they have nothing to compare it to).
 
IIRC her gas card was also missing. IMO a person usually does not sometimes put a gas card in their coat, as they might with their phone and credit card.
 
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IIRC her gas card was also missing. IMO a person usually does not sometimes put a gas card in their coat, as they might with their phone and credit card.
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I think's it's more liklely to occur with a gas card, or at least while pumping gas.

I've seen women pump gas as:

They step out of their vehicle without their purse but they have their card in hand. Whether it's a credit / debit / gas card, I do not know but it doesn't matter. They swipe their card in the pump....

Some put their card in their coat pocket and stand there and wait for the fill to complete. I can not say whether most or some replace the card to their purse immediately or later but I *expect* most replace it immediately unless they are in a hurry.

Some hold the card and stand and wait for the fill to complete and I *expect* most return the card to their purse when they eventually re-enter their vehicle but the 'in a hurry' scenario also applies.

Some do not stand and wait for the fill to complete and again I *expect* they return the card to their purse when they re-enter their vehicle to wait for the fill to complete. I *expect* most to replace the card to their purse during the wait simply because they have the time to do so while waiting for the fill to complete.

Now, with store purchases, most women do have their purse immediately on their person. While at the register they open their purse, remove their card, complete the transaction and replace their card to their purse.
 
I cannot get it out of my mind that LE searched the spec house- or were at the spec house- for some reason on friday night the 12th, the day before SOMEONE found MC's body-this might need to be listed as a rumor at this point bc LE hasn't confirmed it. Have they?

I believe LE must have some evidence that MC was at spec house. Unless they had already put together the fact that she was murdered, and they knew that whoever was responsible for her murder had been at speck house for some reason.

Am I making sense? What could be some possible reasons LE would have to search speck house before finding body. An example that I can think of, speculation, is that there is video of some sort of MC driving that direction the day of the 9th.(or maybe her phone pinged at 5:42pm at the speck house location- only LE knows where the ping came from) Another little side note, I am not sure what JF's hairdresser's location is, but that would probably give enough time to run down and get a haircut at 6pm? Maybe? Just a thought. It would give a perfect alibi. REMEMBER: There is a crawl space under speck house. Someone could be put there for ANY length of time, and no one would know. The access to crawl space in new construction is quite large compared to older structures.

I also have some information that I have been keeping to myself;

1) I saw WC in yard at speck house fixing her sign. Unfortunately I do not recall the exact day, but I do believe it was within a few days of MC going missing. Also, the other reason I did not bring this up is bc this is a very normal thing for her to be doing (checking on her listed/built home). It is hard to guage what could be something, or is absolutely nothing. I really hate to bring up WC on any level.........I can't imagine what she could be going through right now.

2) I talked to someone that said they SAW JF on the Sunday after MC's body was found. He was "stalking" the speck house, during the open house time frame. I believe he may have moved positions at least once from what I understood was said to me. This person KNOWS who JF is, that is a fact.

I asked a couple threads ago if JF had a grey 4x4 size truck bc I saw one parked right around the corner on that Sunday, however it was in front of a mailbox, and I, again, did not want to make much of a deal out of it bc it very viably could of been someone checking thier mail. The only reason this stuck in my mind was bc there was a hieghtened level of fear in our neighborhood at this time and I was not aware that the neighbor who's mail box that would belong to, has a truck like that. However, people buy new cars all the time....... so probably nothing. Also there was a red, older model car parked in front of the truck on the left side of the road. (However, there is a car like that that belongs to the adjacent home.) It just stuck out to me....

But here is my small theory on the "stalking" part; I believe LE knew the speck house had SOME relation to MC's disapperance (bc at that point, friday night, that they went to speck house MC was just "missing"). It is my understanding they were also there Saturday and Sunday evening? sometime as well. AND I know for a fact they were there for MANY hours on Monday, and Tuesday. Also I know for a fact that undercover LE watched speck house during this time frame. So, my theory is nothing more than, JF had something to hide or a major concern about something in THAT home. And I do know that LE collected SOME kind of evidence from there- actually I cannot say I KNOW bc I did not PHYSICALLY SEE the evidence, but I SAW (AND heard) about things that would be LE "protocal" if in fact they were to be collecting evidence. (an example of this would be searching home, maybe wearing blue gloves etc.) Then we know that WC accompanied LE on one of the trips to speck. Maybe someone else can recall which day that was- I was thinking it was one of the later days- like Tues? Wed? It is hard for me to recall bc I saw LE there so much- I'd have to go back through old threads to recall specific days.

Speculation: Ive always thought it is possible that MC and perp may have went to speck house, and maybe that is where the initial "blow" took place. My theory is that MC was hit HARD in the back of the head, and that knocked her out, maybe even killed her (here is where I have taken into consideration the words used by the LE- something to the effect that there maybe another crime scene she was murdered at, after they originally thought it may have been CB?correct me if my memory failed slightly here). I believe this may have been the place that the bag was used and put over her head? To me, this would be a bit easier of a kill for a murderer that was acting alone. Hard blow first, then bag to ensure soffocation.

Please blow holes in this. One that I can think of off the bat is that if this was the crime scene, then one would think it would have had some similar "yellow tape"? However, i would also imagine that WC would REALLY have something to say about LE letting this scene be public for the simple fact that it would be detrimental to her marketing and selling this speck home which has clearly BROKE her. It is no secret that the home was built to the hilt for TOUR, and has been sitting for a very LONG time. The interest payments alone would take out any possibility of profit, I imagiine. Adding it as a potential murder site would not be good for business.

But keeping it simple, I speculate that EITHER LE had some evidence that MC went to speck house when she was still missing. OR the only other option in my mind would be, again, LE already knew who murdered her, and LE had some incriminating evidence that the murderer had to have been at speck house at some point. I like that second theory bc that would be a good indication that LE STILL knows who the murder was..........

There has not been a whole lot of discussion about where MC's body could of been stored, potentially, during the 9th thru the 13th- if she was in fact killed on the 9th and moved to beach on the night of the 12th or early hours of the 13th. I think a crawl space in a HIGH end vacant home would serve the purpose quite well (not alot of those selling right now-or probably being shown-opinion). It would be pretty cold in crawl- there would be no heat and no natural light to produce heat. The kicker on this is that if the murderer kept MC at either location- Speck or CB- he/she would have to be confident that his(her) car would not be seen as "out of the norm". Hypothetically, in this scenerio the murderer may have had to come and go a couple times from the house- like to go get a haircut and then come back for her body at a later date? He/she would have to be confident that thier mode of transport would not raise any nieghboring eyebrows. In otherwords, the nieghbors would think "nothing about he/she being there".

Just consider ALL of this rumor and speculation unless otherwise noted.

Now blow me to pieces here fellow sleuthers! Please excuse the spelling- I typed this as fast as I could (and that's not saying much) and I have no spell check- that I know of.
 
Nancee Drue said:
Well, I was thinking Killer hiked down from PC, and got on the bus, by Mission and Crawford, or around there.
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Just a thought on a different angle. Has anyone suggested that the killer could have walked to a nearby house that appeared to be empty and called a cab? I am sure perp had a cell phone and could have requested a cab at a certain address and then walked out of the bushes to get in. I am sure LE has thought of this and has already questioned the different cab companies. Just Speculation.
 
shortstuff said:
I cannot get it out of my mind that LE searched the spec house- or were at the spec house- for some reason on friday night the 12th, the day before SOMEONE found MC's body-this might need to be listed as a rumor at this point bc LE hasn't confirmed it. Have they?

I believe LE must have some evidence that MC was at spec house. Unless they had already put together the fact that she was murdered, and they knew that whoever was responsible for her murder had been at speck house for some reason.

Am I making sense? What could be some possible reasons LE would have to search speck house before finding body. An example that I can think of, speculation, is that there is video of some sort of MC driving that direction the day of the 9th.(or maybe her phone pinged at 5:42pm at the speck house location- only LE knows where the ping came from) Another little side note, I am not sure what JF's hairdresser's location is, but that would probably give enough time to run down and get a haircut at 6pm? Maybe? Just a thought. It would give a perfect alibi. REMEMBER: There is a crawl space under speck house. Someone could be put there for ANY length of time, and no one would know. The access to crawl space in new construction is quite large compared to older structures.

I also have some information that I have been keeping to myself;

1) I saw WC in yard at speck house fixing her sign. Unfortunately I do not recall the exact day, but I do believe it was within a few days of MC going missing. Also, the other reason I did not bring this up is bc this is a very normal thing for her to be doing (checking on her listed/built home). It is hard to guage what could be something, or is absolutely nothing. I really hate to bring up WC on any level.........I can't imagine what she could be going through right now.

2) I talked to someone that said they SAW JF on the Sunday after MC's body was found. He was "stalking" the speck house, during the open house time frame. I believe he may have moved positions at least once from what I understood was said to me. This person KNOWS who JF is, that is a fact.

I asked a couple threads ago if JF had a grey 4x4 size truck bc I saw one parked right around the corner on that Sunday, however it was in front of a mailbox, and I, again, did not want to make much of a deal out of it bc it very viably could of been someone checking thier mail. The only reason this stuck in my mind was bc there was a hieghtened level of fear in our neighborhood at this time and I was not aware that the neighbor who's mail box that would belong to, has a truck like that. However, people buy new cars all the time....... so probably nothing. Also there was a red, older model car parked in front of the truck on the left side of the road. (However, there is a car like that that belongs to the adjacent home.) It just stuck out to me....

But here is my small theory on the "stalking" part; I believe LE knew the speck house had SOME relation to MC's disapperance (bc at that point, friday night, that they went to speck house MC was just "missing"). It is my understanding they were also there Saturday and Sunday evening? sometime as well. AND I know for a fact they were there for MANY hours on Monday, and Tuesday. Also I know for a fact that undercover LE watched speck house during this time frame. So, my theory is nothing more than, JF had something to hide or a major concern about something in THAT home. And I do know that LE collected SOME kind of evidence from there- actually I cannot say I KNOW bc I did not PHYSICALLY SEE the evidence, but I SAW (AND heard) about things that would be LE "protocal" if in fact they were to be collecting evidence. (an example of this would be searching home, maybe wearing blue gloves etc.) Then we know that WC accompanied LE on one of the trips to speck. Maybe someone else can recall which day that was- I was thinking it was one of the later days- like Tues? Wed? It is hard for me to recall bc I saw LE there so much- I'd have to go back through old threads to recall specific days.

Speculation: Ive always thought it is possible that MC and perp may have went to speck house, and maybe that is where the initial "blow" took place. My theory is that MC was hit HARD in the back of the head, and that knocked her out, maybe even killed her (here is where I have taken into consideration the words used by the LE- something to the effect that there maybe another crime scene she was murdered at, after they originally thought it may have been CB?correct me if my memory failed slightly here). I believe this may have been the place that the bag was used and put over her head? To me, this would be a bit easier of a kill for a murderer that was acting alone. Hard blow first, then bag to ensure soffocation.

Please blow holes in this. One that I can think of off the bat is that if this was the crime scene, then one would think it would have had some similar "yellow tape"? However, i would also imagine that WC would REALLY have something to say about LE letting this scene be public for the simple fact that it would be detrimental to her marketing and selling this speck home which has clearly BROKE her. It is no secret that the home was built to the hilt for TOUR, and has been sitting for a very LONG time. The interest payments alone would take out any possibility of profit, I imagiine. Adding it as a potential murder site would not be good for business.

But keeping it simple, I speculate that EITHER LE had some evidence that MC went to speck house when she was still missing. OR the only other option in my mind would be, again, LE already knew who murdered her, and LE had some incriminating evidence that the murderer had to have been at speck house at some point. I like that second theory bc that would be a good indication that LE STILL knows who the murder was..........

There has not been a whole lot of discussion about where MC's body could of been stored, potentially, during the 9th thru the 13th- if she was in fact killed on the 9th and moved to beach on the night of the 12th or early hours of the 13th. I think a crawl space in a HIGH end vacant home would serve the purpose quite well (not alot of those selling right now-or probably being shown-opinion). It would be pretty cold in crawl- there would be no heat and no natural light to produce heat. The kicker on this is that if the murderer kept MC at either location- Speck or CB- he/she would have to be confident that his(her) car would not be seen as "out of the norm". Hypothetically, in this scenerio the murderer may have had to come and go a couple times from the house- like to go get a haircut and then come back for her body at a later date? He/she would have to be confident that thier mode of transport would not raise any nieghboring eyebrows. In otherwords, the nieghbors would think "nothing about he/she being there".

Just consider ALL of this rumor and speculation unless otherwise noted.

Now blow me to pieces here fellow sleuthers! Please excuse the spelling- I typed this as fast as I could (and that's not saying much) and I have no spell check- that I know of.
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Your theory is as viable as any other .. but I disagree an spec house actually being involved. I believe MC had a key to the house and had visited the house form time to time, and not necessarily alone.

LE searched the house and might have found evidence of MC (and possibly others, her friends, whoever) having been there, but I do not believe she was ever there after 2/8.

I believe MC was no longer alive after 2/9.
 
Regarding the Spec House: IIRC there was a Rumor that a neighbor saw something that disturbed them, and reported it to LE, maybe right away maybe later. Anyone remember the specifics of the date they saw something disturbing?
 
shortstuff said:
Now blow me to pieces here fellow sleuthers!
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I've got nothing to "blow to pieces"... but :)

When it comes to the knowledge of the spec home that it appears LE had by at least Friday, (day before body found): I believe it is reasonable to assume LE had a record of MC's text messages on Friday, because Saturday morning there was a newspaper article about them going over the 1000+ pages looking for patterns. Therefore, I think one of those text messages included the spec house location. The ping location information is extremely unlikely to have been available by Friday, (we've had a cell phone expert on here explaining the difficulty of ping location and time required to compile such data, sometimes coming from different cell phone companies as well).

As for anything else you've speculated on, it all seems plausible, although I just don't like the idea of keeping the body at the spec house for any length of time, (period). If anything even happened there, (SPECULATION). Also if LE had received video on Wednesday or Thursday that included someone traveling with MC, (such as PUD cameras from boat launch area or elsewhere around town, Target, etc), that person would not have had the free time to move a body without being tailed by a police escort.
 
B Buzz said:
Where did the haircut idea come from?
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You might get a better informed response, but from what I remeber it has to do with JF and a certain salon that he (rumored) to have visited at around 6pm 2/9 and that JF may have given a receipt (Rumor). Some people on here have reported that they had heard that the beautician at the salon was questioned. I am still at a loss as to which salon it was.
 
Cruntch said:
You might get a better informed response, but from what I remeber it has to do with JF and a certain salon that he (rumored) to have visited at around 6pm 2/9 and that JF may have given a receipt (Rumor). Some people on here have reported that they had heard that the beautician at the salon was questioned. I am still at a loss as to which salon it was.
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I believe it was in the mall in E. Wenatchee
 
Well since they are not minors can you put their initials here?
 
amysmom said:
I honestly don't know..I suppose all scenarios work with parking at PC the best option for the perp but then that car would've been also noticed by the property owners prior to them going out for dinner (?) unless it was in the area but not the same exact location..Maybe not even on PC but close enough.
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Remember that LE apparently saw or had a report of a vehicle matching the BF's description (the car) at Shari's. The BF denies being at Shari's, but I'm thinking there aren't that many vehicles in town that match his, with the spoiler. Very reliable source for this information, but since it wasn't firsthand I have to label it rumor. I have no idea what time his car was allegedly spotted there. Thinkin on this.
 
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What I find most amazing about the sex ring scandal is that even the FBI did shoddy jobs on that case. Didn't even do ANY interviews.

I hope the FBI is more proactive in Mackenzie's case in evidence collection and processing, and in interviewing people, than they were with the sex ring thing. It wasn't just Bob Perez who flubbed the sex scandal case... the whole chain of investigative authority, from child protection all the way to the FBI and the US Attorney General, made a mess of that case.
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Not to defend the police in any way (they did a horrible job) but some of it did actually happen. How can you explain dna that shows father/daughter parents and also brother/sister parents if nothing happened?

All i am going to say. back on track with MC.
 
Clueso said:
Does anyone remember who posted or when it was posted about the 911 call on PC road about litter being found with names on it? I've searched the threads and the Manson Tribune and can't find it. I think it was around 3/5 ish. I would really appreciate any help.
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I don't remember when it was posted, but I do remember looking at it. It was a year old.
 
AutumnRose said:
Remember that LE apparently saw or had a report of a vehicle matching the BF's description (the car) at Shari's. The BF denies being at Shari's, but I'm thinking there aren't that many vehicles in town that match his, with the spoiler. Very reliable source for this information, but since it wasn't firsthand I have to label it rumor. I have no idea what time his car was allegedly spotted there. Thinkin on this.
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There's no way that BF would risk messin' up his ride transporting a non-breathing person if that person were bleeding, and quite frankly I do not believe he would want to use his vehicle in perpetration of such a crime, period. Possible, but not likely given how much money likely has gone in to it. Let's face it, it's not an '80s pick-up truck.

So, that leaves him with driving MC's car to PC. Fingerprints? Explainable. DNA? Explainable. Seen driving the vehicle? Depends on when ....

Video is crucial to this case.
 
alt.theory said:
I've got nothing to "blow to pieces"... but :)

When it comes to the knowledge of the spec home that it appears LE had by at least Friday, (day before body found): I believe it is reasonable to assume LE had a record of MC's text messages on Friday, because Saturday morning there was a newspaper article about them going over the 1000+ pages looking for patterns. Therefore, I think one of those text messages included the spec house location. The ping location information is extremely unlikely to have been available by Friday, (we've had a cell phone expert on here explaining the difficulty of ping location and time required to compile such data, sometimes coming from different cell phone companies as well).

As for anything else you've speculated on, it all seems plausible, although I just don't like the idea of keeping the body at the spec house for any length of time, (period). If anything even happened there, (SPECULATION). Also if LE had received video on Wednesday or Thursday that included someone traveling with MC, (such as PUD cameras from boat launch area or elsewhere around town, Target, etc), that person would not have had the free time to move a body without being tailed by a police escort.
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That's my thinking. With a house on the market, I don't believe anyone would have left her body there for much longer than a couple of hours. It does sound like LE has spent quite a bit of time there! I think MC was at CB property either the night of the 9th or the 10th. Depends on whether she was killed first and then taken there to be disposed of, or taken of her own free will or unwillingly and then killed there. A deceased person has a distinct odor and cadaver dogs would alert right away if she had been there after death for any length of time. It will be interesting to see all the forensic's evidence and where it was gathered from. One thing that bother's me though. If LE was sure that it was JF, seems they could have arrested him and held him, based on his past record and current circumstantial evidence......thereby taking a dangerous person off the streets while the forensic's comes back. If their non poi..........poi has no record and they need forensic's to back up circumstantial evidence, I can understand why no arrest yet. It is worrisome......and speculation
 
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