Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #8

SeriouslySearching said:

The article that stated the POI was sitting outside the truck could be wrong. They have determined the man was 6 feet tall and would be almost impossible to tell from a sitting position, imo.

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Brown said that there are several witnesses that have come forth now about seeing this man. Could this be another witness from the first one?

imo

Congratulations on the forum, everyone! You have worked hard for this!

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Littledeer ~

I am quite familiar with the Mdewakanton, referenced in the Newsweek article you attached, as a family member was involved in operation of Mystic Lake and Dakota Country casinos in Shakopee during the time referenced in the article. I am also familiar with gaming operations in the Cherokee and Muscogee Creek nations in Oklahoma.

While some tribes do pass along a portion of profits directly to enrolled members of their tribes, others do not. The Cherokee and Creek do not. Monies from gaming are used for tribal government operation, education, health care, and social program benefits for their members.

The benefits of having a roll number in this part of Oklahoma are primarily having the opportunity to qualify for health care, housing assistance, educational scholarships, etc.

ETA: Oklahoma Tribal Jurisdiction Map http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/hqdiv/p-r-div/maps/tribal/tribaljurisdictions.pdf

oceanblueeyes said:

Brown said that there are several witnesses that have come forth now about seeing this man. Could this be another witness from the first one?

imo

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Yes, that is possible. If he was sitting outside of his truck...why would a guy sit near the middle of the road? Was he sitting in wait then? If the people saw him moments before and the other witness saw the girls walking moments before...are they actually the same witnesses and they saw both? If they thought the guy was acting suspicious after seeing the girls walking...why in the hell did they not stop the girls?! Turn in the guy?! Go to the nearest house to warn someone?! Could this have easily been prevented if someone had taken the time to do something?!

oceanblueeyes said:

I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

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I'm sorry that I misunderstood. I've found an article which says she was homeschooled until recently and was not allowed out of their yard until a few months ago. That's weird too.
Maria

Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school - the Graham school district covers 48 Square miles
Tyler (age 13) was the only girl in 6th grade
Skyla (age 11) was one of 5 girls in the 5th grade
The classes were combined - 6 girls, 5 boys - 11 kids total in the combined class

The Bandidos/Placker Family
Joe Placker Sr is Peter's Brother
Joe Placker Jr is Joe Sr's son
Joe Placker Sr was involved in the arrest of 7 men in OKC associated with the Bandidos Motorcycle Gang
The Placker/Paschal Family has several members in prison, formerly in prison as well as family members married to or involved with people who are or have been in prison
Peter and Vicky are NOT involved in criminal activity and have no records
Joe Mosher is Vicky's Brother-In Law
We do not know who the bio parents of Taylor are/were - she called Peter Dad and Vicky Mom - even though they were in reality, her Grandparents - even Vicky and Peter's other kids called Taylor their sister.

The Whitaker Family
Rose Whitaker (Skyla's Mother) has a son (Edward Gordon) who is currently in prison serving time for a drug-related shooting - he did plea bargain and will testify against others also indicted
Rose's parents (Skyla's Maternal G-Parents The Farrows) live in the area
Skyla's Bio Father is Kim Getman of Baxter Springs KS - William Whitaker is her adoptive father
Previous Rose Farrow was married to Gordon, then Getman, now Whitaker

Family Info In General
We have a pretty thorough family tree for the Placker/Paschal family and at least some of the Whitaker Family - MissHolmes put these together and can provide a link and password to view.

We also have some family history for the Creech family as Tim Creech is a registered Sex Offender and has been cited multiple times here as matching the POI sketch and living in Weleetka - at this time, he is NOT connected to the crime in any way

Vicky Paschal-Placker and Rose Whitaker both work at the Henryetta McDonalds

The Whitaker and Placker Families moved from OKC to Weleetka together in 2005 - they did know each other before they lived in Weleetka - both families left OKC to get away from crime and violence - Peter Placker stated thet they moved "for Taylor"

Taylor was home schooled before the family moved to Weleetka

Kellee said:

Littledeer ~

I am quite familiar with the Mdewakanton, referenced in the Newsweek article you attached, as a family member was involved in operation of Mystic Lake and Dakota Country casinos in Shakopee during the time referenced in the article. I am also familiar with gaming operations in the Cherokee and Muscogee Creek nations in Oklahoma.

While some tribes do pass along a portion of profits directly to enrolled members of their tribes, others do not. The Cherokee and Creek do not. Monies from gaming are used for tribal government operation, education, health care, and social program benefits for their members.

The benefits of having a roll number in this part of Oklahoma are primarily having the opportunity to qualify for health care, housing assistance, educational scholarships, etc.

ETA: Oklahoma Tribal Jurisdiction Map http://www.okladot.state.ok.us/hqdiv/p-r-div/maps/tribal/tribaljurisdictions.pdf

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While NA tribes function as independent nations, i.e.e treaties with the US Government, they also have full US citizenship. However, when it comes to gambling, each state has different agreements with tribes. MN does not require tribes to pay state taxes, which accounts for huge profits. Also, Mystic Lake and Treasure Island are based near the Twin Cities, so have good attendance. However, MN tribes further north (Nett Lake, for example) are off the beaten path and have no such profits. Yes, Shakopee (Mystic Lake) has lots of $ and few members who share this wealth.

However, I think it's important to remember that the POI is described as possibly MIXED, if I correctly recall. AND, please remember that any and all NA's can always live off the rez (tribal land). For example, Minneapolis has more NA living there than on tribal lands. Many NA also go back and forth as to residence.

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FlowerChild said:

Classmates-Graham School
The Bandidos/Placker Family
The Whitaker Family
Family Info In General

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Good condensed breakdown FC, good post.

I know one thing- at least one of the Native American owned casinos in OK are stealing money from out of state players.
People from the Dallas area, mostly senior citizens, have been going to this one casino in OK just over the state line called Winstar by bus for a long time. It' a big deal to them.
Lately, Winstar has claimed to be managed by an outside management firm. When someone wins, and goes to cash out, the casino management tells them that they will put the winnings on a tab for them to come back and play another day. Some people have insisted on getting their winnings and have been thrown out and barred from returning.

Of course, with the law of averages being what it is, those who do go back expecting to have their money from the first trip + more won on the second, usually lose to the house.
I think it's a terrible scam of mostly older people.

SuziQ said:

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only resently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?

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She may have been allowed to walk the road everyday for a year, but only so far. Walking to the bridge and back may have been recent. Usually parents let their children do things in increments.

SeriouslySearching said:

Yes, that is possible. If he was sitting outside of his truck...why would a guy sit near the middle of the road? Was he sitting in wait then? If the people saw him moments before and the other witness saw the girls walking moments before...are they actually the same witnesses and they saw both? If they thought the guy was acting suspicious after seeing the girls walking...why in the hell did they not stop the girls?! Turn in the guy?! Go to the nearest house to warn someone?! Could this have easily been prevented if someone had taken the time to do something?!

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That was my question too SS a few pages back? Why would the POI be sitting outside the truck? Was he waiting for others who were taking care of business, possibly drugs, in the woods?

To me the fact that the POI was sitting outside the truck is a big clue, rather then standing or being inside the truck. Sitting denotes someone not expecting to have to do much..as opposed to standing, which is more of an action pose..that's why I think the girls happened upon people coming out of the woods with drugs and the cooking equipment for meth.

I do think there is definitely more than one person involved.. I think there are three. The guy sitting outside the truck is both driver and lookout, then 2 people involved in whatever was going on in the woods..drugs possibly. I think that they came out of the woods the same time the girls walked up to the scene..then were shoot by two of them.

SeekingJana said:

I'm sorry that I misunderstood. I've found an article which says she was home schooled until recently and was not allowed out of their yard until a few months ago. That's weird too.
Maria

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Don't worry about it SJ. It is confusing. Peter Placker said that they moved to Weleetka about three years ago but yet some articles have said they recently moved there. I think most likely once they moved there Taylor had gone to public school at Graham and had been homeschooled when they lived in OKC.

There are a lot of inconsistencies in the media stories. That just happened in the Maria Lauterbach case too. I guess it is a sign of the times and that journalism has changed drastically.

imoo

From FlowerChild's post about the school Tayler and Scyla attended: "Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school."

What would be the cause of 150 students not physically attending school in the elementary grades in a town this small? ( only 97 students physically attending).
I am quite sure I am missing something!!

Maria

I hope this incident wakes parents up to the dangers lurking on an isolated country road to children in general. The grandmother had the right idea and shouldn't have listened to Taylor, imo. I wouldn't have allowed it even if she screamed and cried about being "unfair" and "the other kids do it!". Things are not what they once were, but country roads aren't a good place for any female to be walking no matter what the age.

DeltaDawn said:

That was my question too SS a few pages back? Why would the POI be sitting outside the truck? Was he waiting for others who were taking care of business, possibly drugs, in the woods?

To me the fact that the POI was sitting outside the truck is a big clue, rather then standing or being inside the truck. Sitting denotes someone not expecting to have to do much..as opposed to standing, which is more of an action pose..that's why I think the girls happened upon people coming out of the woods with drugs and the cooking equipment for meth.

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Or was he waiting on the girls specifically and ducked down to surprise them as they came up on the truck from the other side?

Thanks Tom'sGirl :blowkiss:

Now that we have a forum I thought a little brief recap would help orient the new people coming in who haven't been keeping up with this case since day one. It is VERY COMPLICATED and keeping just the Placker Family alone straight is daunting. It's a just simple, straightforward recap of the most basic facts we know that seem to come up in varying levels of accuracy over and over again. I hope it helps all the new people (WELCOME!) get right into the case and hopefully help find some answers if they don't have to read all 100+pages of posts to glean the facts we do have.

Heck I get confused and have to refer back over and over and I have notes, screen caps, files and have been on here a LOT since this started and I know the area. New folks must be totally lost by the time they get to the whole the GParents are sometimes called Mom and Dad - depending on the source - not to mention the whole "who's a Paschal and who's a Placker" thing.

I will add anything I think is important and repost this in new "general" threads as they are started.

My Opinion

SeekingJana said:

From FlowerChild's post about the school Tayler and Scyla attended: "Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school."

What would be the cause of 150 students not physically attending school in the elementary grades in a town this small? ( only 97 students physically attending).
I am quite sure I am missing something!!

Maria

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It could be that other remote communities tap into their school for classes instead of bussing the students there. I do know some schools use this for ill students and some with special needs. It does seem like a rather large number for computer classes tho.

From FC's post above:
"We do not know who the bio parents of Taylor are/were - she called Peter Dad and Vicky Mom - even though they were in reality, her Grandparents - even Vicky and Peter's other kids called Taylor their sister."

Can someone please clarify this for me? Was she adopted? I must be lost or confused, neither of which surprise me. LOL But where exactly did this child come from and how did they get custody?

SeriouslySearching said:

It could be that other remote communities tap into their school for classes instead of bussing the students there. I do know some schools use this for ill students and some with special needs. It does seem like a rather large number for computer classes tho.

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Maybe one has to be a Junior or a Senior to qualify? Plus like you mentioned, special needs children.

imo

Pocono~ The simple answer is that we don't know anything for certain...at least that I am aware of.