FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #15

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I'm very sorry to hear about what happened to your friend. I know how much my mom struggled with not knowing what had happened to her friend and then finding out the truth, but also feeling betrayed and relieved. I can't imagine what she would've felt if the reality had been that her friend was murdered.

I do agree with you that something is not adding up in this case. Nothing is unfolding in the way that I would've expected it to unfold. DS II going so silent is just strange. He is not a "quiet" guy.

Very astute on the silent. I don't know why either. It is just spending that much time with the FBI with my friend's case...something smells weird on this one. Like someone has police ties...I can't explain why I feel this way. ....:banghead:
 
If one or both of them are informants, could it be that they are not "working" for local law enforcement. Would it be something federal?

I know absolutely nothing about how all of that works, so my question could be way out there. I just can't see OPD naming him as a suspect so publicly if he was one their informants.

Hope that makes sense...
 
It is definitely a possibility. Dale certainly has a group of friends around him. They showed up with him at court.

I wonder if This group has been involved in any other active unsolved disappearances/ murders.
 
If one or both of them are informants, could it be that they are not "working" for local law enforcement. Would it be something federal?

I know absolutely nothing about how all of that works, so my question could be way out there. I just can't see OPD naming him as a suspect so publicly if he was one their informants.

Hope that makes sense...

ITA! I think one of them is. JMO. ONLY my opinion. :truce:
 
Very astute on the silent. I don't know why either. It is just spending that much time with the FBI with my friend's case...something smells weird on this one. Like someone has police ties...I can't explain why I feel this way. ....:banghead:

And why was Dale sr the only one in the smith gang without an attorney present for questioning while under subpoena?
 
why did they name him so fast anyway? Whatever happened to letting them think they got away with it and following them?
 
A friend of mine was murdered (as I have mentioned before) by a serial killer. He was stalking her. She was just eating her lunch. He stabbed her over 70 times. Bashed her skull into a wall. She tried to jump out of two windows. Wasn't successful. I met the author Patricia Cornwell, she mentioned that stabs feel like a "punch." Regardless, my friend was crazed, like a wild animal, trying to save herself. After he knocked her eye out, the theory was, he drug her into the bathroom, so she could see the ruination he had inflicted on her face in the mirror. So she would give up. The crime scene photos that I was allowed to see show that her blood drops were coming from a standing person. At some point, she gave up. He raped her. Either while she was dying or after death.

Something is NOT right with this case. Call it my gut instinct. But something is not right. I am looking at his family and wondering, why if DS Sr. was charged with distributing drugs...back in June 2010...why has he not been charged...? Why has he not had prison time? Yet?
Im so sorry about your friend LB And Im sorry for you too because I know it isnt easy to carry that knowledge with you. I have theories about DS Sr. but I would only be guessing. Maybe we will learn more about him in the near future.
 
I saw pics of him (Jr) that were taken today...He doesn't look good, he is burdened and I don't think it is sorrow! JMO

Was it media? I'd love to see unless they are posted somewhere we aren't allowed. TIA!
 
It's my opinion that if the perp really has an ounce of true love for those babies, they will see to it that they don't have to grow into adults still searching for their mother. Babies grow up & when they do find out, it will not be a good thing. I pray a tip is made that will stop this now for the babies sake. I'm just so so sad for them.
 
I cannot understand how he" got away" with pushing the reporter down at the courthouse.
He had no right to do this,it wasnt something someone reported, this is on film, one can clearly see that he has anger problems.
Why does he continue getting off for his violent actions? I DONT get it! :furious:
Someone needs to get off the pot or $h!T with this case!!
 
It's my opinion that if the perp really has an ounce of true love for those babies, they will see to it that they don't have to grow into adults still searching for their mother. Babies grow up & when they do find out, it will not be a good thing. I pray a tip is made that will stop this now for the babies sake. I'm just so so sad for them.

It is sad. All we can try to do is lure anyone who might know something (even if they feel it is not significant) to post or reveal to LE something. Regardless of whether or not they felt like Michelle "deserved" it. She is/was a mother of three children and they love her and will miss her forever. Even if someone is afraid to come forward...think about this...those three children will never be, whole, they never will be...if anyone has any information, you can only help, not harm. Only help.
 
Security came to me to make sure I was ok. They escorted me out the back so I wouldn't have any conflict with him. So when I walked around front he was standing there. Um, he's waiting there he's like where do you think you're going? He goes you're not going up to the room, all you're gonna do is go over the balcony.

Snipped from jersey*girls fabulous transcript that she so kindly did for us all :blowkisses:.. With the key statement bolded and then extremely questionable portion of the statement underlined and highlighted RED for emphasis..

I'm just remarking on this specifically at the moment(tho I have thoughts on the segment as a whole).. But found the ^above^ Bolded, underlined, and then highlighted Red statement to be so very troubling that I had to point it out and comment my concern..

First, I'm quite certain very few even caught this upon watching the episode.. And I'm going to assume Judge Marilyn totally missed as well otherwise I cannot seeing her just letting a claim that the plaintiff threatened the defendants life in throwing her off/over the balcony from their 9th floor room, just pass on by without so much as even a comment or admonishment about such a threat..*

Sadly, what this says to me is that Michelle quite likely was threatened in ways just like this all the time.. Thus it becomes pretty standard and not shocking as it should be when your fiancé threatens to throw you over your 9th floor balcony.. As we see it's just part of the story of what occurred that night.. As we see it just rolls off Michelle's tongue along with the other details.. This for me leads me to believe it wasn't abnormal or an unusual occurrence.. Sadly I believe it was just how it was with Dale and sadly she wasn't even alarmed by such threats as she had become in some strange way accustomed to the threats.. This is not unusual.. For a woman who suffers verbal or physical or both abuse and over time it no longer becomes shocking but sadly just becomes the "norm"..

I believe that Michelle's being "conditioned" over the years to God knows how many threats is the reason she speaks of such a threat in such a nonchalant way and in doing so no one was even drawn to the words she spoke which, I'm sorry to say were essentially a death threat.. Some may believe that to be over dramatic and maybe it would be if the girl who I'm speaking of wasn't very like dead right now as we speak.. And most likely her death was at the hands of the very man whom we can all see in her statement bolded ^above^ did threaten her life that night by telling her she was going off/over the balcony of their 9th floor Hilton hotel room!!!

Seeing as that's what we are dealing with here I don't see it as over dramatic in the very least.. I just wish to God that this damn PC had a court reporter so this Judge or someone could have/would have seen in black and white the very real threat that this man was alleged to have stated.. And it all was stated right there in that court room.. It makes me sick as I'm certain there is a transcription floating around during the editing process of this show.. Yet sadly no one even noticed or bothered to say something about it..

It may have been conditioned into Michelle that it was a normal, everyday occurrence that Dale threatened her, but deep down this girl knew it wasn't right, wasn't normal, and chose to leave for good.. I believe that her stating this in open court was her, if even just subconsciously, she was drawing attention to these threats by simply mentioning them in a courtroom and in front of the world wide viewing audience..

Sadly it's not being picked up until it's too late and this beautiful young mother is gone!!!
 
I am so sorry that your friend died that way! I am so sorry for your loss! What is her name? Is she one of the woman in the photo on your comments?

TY! No she is not. In the photos. I missed your question earlier. Her name was Charlotte Murray Pace. Friends called her Murray.
 
Respectfully snipped.
If DS II killed Michelle shortly after she arrived at his condo, he could've put a video in for the twins to keep them occupied. He wraps her body in plastic or something else, loads it into the Hummer and drives it out of the complex. There are large parking lots within easy walking distance to his condo. All he had to do was park the Hummer in a spot where it wouldn't draw any attention and then walk back to the condo.

He packs up the twins and drives over to DS Sr's house in his truck. If he left there at some point, he could've gone and gotten the Hummer and then left to dump it. Along the way he could've stopped to leave Michelle somewhere. It looks like there are a lot of wooded areas around his condo, closer to the stores. I think that Michelle, the Hummer and the phone were all taken care of at the same time. So, I am thinking that it was around or by 8pm.

That would work too. I just keep thinking like a normal person and I wouldn't want my kids to see anything, and I would be in a huge panic. I would want my kids out of there. But time is important and people don't think rationally when in a panic or rage. So if I was looking, I would be looking at the woods on Vista Ave only because there are spots on that hwy vacant of houses on each side, and you can pull you hummer up pretty close to the woods. It gets dark early now, about 5:45 to 6pm, so I feel like he would have done this after dark. But I don't think she is all that far from his condo if he started from that point. The phone has to go next but not too close to where the body is because it is tracking you and her. I think she was gone before the phone to lead LE on a goose chase in the lake. Waste time. I don't see him taking time to bury her either. The elements destroy DNA faster is the body is above ground, rather then buried.
 
I came across this and was wondering why TES didn't do this for Michelle. The article is dated Dec 14 and the location is Union Co., FL.


A side scanning sonar provided by a Texas-based company was used to find Demeritte.

“We were utilizing equipment from Equusearch Search and Recovery,” Parker said. “Apparently they volunteered their services and flew out here. They showed us how to use the equipment and mounted it in one of the boats.”

Parker said FWC has side-scanning sonar, but officials believed the lake was too shallow [less than 10 feet] to utilize the equipment but the unit from Equusearch worked under those conditions.

http://www.lakecityreporter.com/articles/2011/12/14/news/doc4ee81ec516354133615808.txt
 
That would work too. I just keep thinking like a normal person and I wouldn't want my kids to see anything, and I would be in a huge panic. I would want my kids out of there. But time is important and people don't think rationally when in a panic or rage. So if I was looking, I would be looking at the woods on Vista Ave only because there are spots on that hwy vacant of houses on each side, and you can pull you hummer up pretty close to the woods. It gets dark early now, about 5:45 to 6pm, so I feel like he would have done this after dark. But I don't think she is all that far from his condo if he started from that point. The phone has to go next but not too close to where the body is because it is tracking you and her. I think she was gone before the phone to lead LE on a goose chase in the lake. Waste time. I don't see him taking time to bury her either. The elements destroy DNA faster is the body is above ground, rather then buried.

I agree with you about the water aspect of this. Since we are assuming that he killed Michelle, I really believe that the first thing that he would do is dispose of the body, which means it is probably close to his condo rather than near DS Sr's house (maybe within 2 miles). The areas between his condo and Vista Park seem like a much more likely hiding place than trying to conceal a body in the water. Although, I am not opposed to considering dumpsters that are in the area. A commercial location with unlocked dumpsters would be an ideal location if the dumpsters were easily accessible and offered any privacy.

If he killed her, I believe that he disposed of the body and then hid the Hummer. He removed the decal at a later time, probably when he was moving the Hummer to the Walden Circle area, which is when I think that he dumped the phone. Removing the decal was strictly about anonymity in my opinion. The black hummer stands out, but it really stands out with the glow decal on the back window.

I am not from Florida and have only been to Orlando a couple of times, so I am totally relying on Google Maps to figure out location information. Are you very familiar with the area between DS II's condo and the Vista Park area? I'm wondering how dense the trees are and what the line of sight from roadways would be like? Also, the Hummer is black, which would make it easier to conceal in a poorly lit turn off (I think).
 
I cannot understand how he" got away" with pushing the reporter down at the courthouse.
He had no right to do this,it wasnt something someone reported, this is on film, one can clearly see that he has anger problems.
Why does he continue getting off for his violent actions? I DONT get it! :furious:
Someone needs to get off the pot or $h!T with this case!!

Who says he got away with it? Could be that the media outlet the reporter works for has filed a lawsuit which hasn't made it to a judge yet. I don't think shoving someone is a crime, happens all the time... but if the reporter was hurt, or the camera was broken, the media outlet would have to file a civil suit and they may just feel it's not worth the effort. IDK, just saying it's up to them.

As for arresting or charging him, LE is biding their time for good reason. At this point, they can't even prove Michelle is dead, or that he kidnapped her. They need a body, or proof that a murder took place.
 
I came across this and was wondering why TES didn't do this for Michelle. The article is dated Dec 14 and the location is Union Co., FL.


A side scanning sonar provided by a Texas-based company was used to find Demeritte.

“We were utilizing equipment from Equusearch Search and Recovery,” Parker said. “Apparently they volunteered their services and flew out here. They showed us how to use the equipment and mounted it in one of the boats.”

Parker said FWC has side-scanning sonar, but officials believed the lake was too shallow [less than 10 feet] to utilize the equipment but the unit from Equusearch worked under those conditions.

http://www.lakecityreporter.com/articles/2011/12/14/news/doc4ee81ec516354133615808.txt

Do you think that OPD wasn't open to any suggestions from TES? I don't really have a good answer to your question, but I kind of got the impression from the articles that I read that OPD wasn't interested in dealing with them at all. I wonder if all of the publicity and drama left over from the CA case has hurt criminal cases where searches are needed. OPD may be very cautious about future search groups getting involved in their cases.

If that is the case, I can understand their caution. On the other hand, it is sad that an organization that may add value to a missing persons search could be shut out as a result of the circus that was the CA case.

Or, maybe TES has helped in some way and it is being kept very quiet to avoid stirring up unnecessary media drama. OPD seems very dedicated to finding Michelle, so I believe that they would use whatever resources were needed.
 
Who says he got away with it? Could be that the media outlet the reporter works for has filed a lawsuit which hasn't made it to a judge yet. I don't think shoving someone is a crime, happens all the time... but if the reporter was hurt, or the camera was broken, the media outlet would have to file a civil suit and they may just feel it's not worth the effort. IDK, just saying it's up to them.

As for arresting or charging him, LE is biding their time for good reason. At this point, they can't even prove Michelle is dead, or that he kidnapped her. They need a body, or proof that a murder took place.

BBM at the very least it is assault (if Florida has assault), if not battery

ETA Florida does have assault
784.011 Assault.--

(1) An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

and Battery

784.03 Battery; felony battery.--

(1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person:

1. Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or

2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person.

(b) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person who commits battery commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(2) A person who has one prior conviction for battery, aggravated battery, or felony battery and who commits any second or subsequent battery commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. For purposes of this subsection, "conviction" means a determination of guilt that is the result of a plea or a trial, regardless of whether adjudication is withheld or a plea of nolo contendere is entered.

So it looks like JR. could be charged with felony battery
 
Do you think that OPD wasn't open to any suggestions from TES? I don't really have a good answer to your question, but I kind of got the impression from the articles that I read that OPD wasn't interested in dealing with them at all. I wonder if all of the publicity and drama left over from the CA case has hurt criminal cases where searches are needed. OPD may be very cautious about future search groups getting involved in their cases.

If that is the case, I can understand their caution. On the other hand, it is sad that an organization that may add value to a missing persons search could be shut out as a result of the circus that was the CA case.

Or, maybe TES has helped in some way and it is being kept very quiet to avoid stirring up unnecessary media drama. OPD seems very dedicated to finding Michelle, so I believe that they would use whatever resources were needed.

I semi recall during that 'other' Orlando case, that TES made some search paperwork available to the parents attorney as a courtesy.

Since the suspects attorney has ties to TES. it probably isn't wise to get involved.
TES were damaged by the HC and CA cases here in Fl. (IMHO)
 
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