Identified! IL - Will Co., Male body in Des Plaines River, May'09 - Gary Schmidt

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scandi said:
I so agree with you Breanna and hope you had a great day off too. And I second your appreciation for our Leila. She is dy~no~mite and devoted too
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xox
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:blowkiss: Isn't she something? She's a blast from the past. I SO appreciate her and what she knows.
 
faefrost said:
I think I didn't do a good enough job of comunicating what I meant earlier. My appologies. I honestly do not know if the barrel was found upstream or downstream. I have now seen reports saying both and will confess I am confused on that point.

What I was really trying to say, is if additional remains or bones were found, and if they were in the water, and if they were a mile away from the original remains, then there had to be something very closely nearby that prompted them to do a thorough search right there. In water, particularly in fresh water, there is absolutely zero chance of finding anything such as a bone simply by doing a broad or random sweep. You simply will not find anything unless you have a pretty good idea that it is down there and a fairly limited area. Say no more then 50 to 100 yards square. The speed with which they located the remains indicates that they had something that pointed them to that somewhat specific area.

This assumes that the bone was actually found in the river, and not on the shoreline or on shore. Early reports said it was in the water. But that may have just been talking head news show exuberance.
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Hi Faefrost, I understand completely what you are saying. I thought that myself about finding something pertinent in water unless it was floating and hooked up in some way.

In the link where they talked about the Sat finding/s, a thank you to the searchers was also given.

That told me that searchers had come upon this discovery about a mile upstream and was probably followed up immediately by these men from the crime lab and investigator who needed assistance getting down to the exact location thru Dow Chemical property. I don't know this as a fact, only an assumption on my part due to the way the article was written.

No news today? I was so hoping we would get another tid-bit or 2.

xox

PS: Don't worry about the upstream/downstream part of it. Both were stated in links and journos are often wrong about the facts they give out. I could write a thesis on that :)
 
Homey said:
This is my 1st post here. I have been a lurker for awhile!

Is it just me or does DP look like the Cowardly Lion on the Wizard of Oz??
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Welcome Homey! Yes, there really is a resemblance! :)
 
breanna said:
:blowkiss: Isn't she something? She's a blast from the past. I SO appreciate her and her what she knows.
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Ya Baby, She is the epitemy of Susan Boyle when it comes to posting.
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robthomaseyes said:
I have to weigh in again on the dismemberment. It makes no sense to me that a police officer, who KNOWS that even with the head and hands missing, whatever bones ARE found are 100% identifiable within weeks wtih DNA analysis. So why dismember a body and then strew pieces all over Illinois. Now you don't just have one body in one location to worry about surfacing. You have many parts that could be found...and yes, all of them would be identifiable. It just doesn't add up.
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I agree, for all the reasons you've stated. Also, Drew didn't have time to dismember her body.
 
Leila said:
I agree, for all the reasons you've stated. Also, Drew didn't have time to dismember her body.
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Yes Leila, maybe up to 3 days to dismember and distribute her remains. :eek:

I still wonder about the liability of him doing this, as if it were ever discovered where he carried out this possible dismemberment , current 'state of the art' forensics would rule and most likely tell a tale on him. IMO

If I were a police officer I would worry about that and get rid of her body in the most simple way I could. Give her to the river in a weighted box to let time be on his side. Proving he had done it after many months might be difficult at best.

We will see. We just don't know yet if this is what happened. But very seldom do we ever see a perfect crime, actually, almost never. xox
 
mysteriew said:
Yeah, my theory is that the kids were sent to their rooms and told to close the doors and Stacy was taken out and put into that car before it was moved. DrewP is autocratic, if the kids were told to go to their rooms and close the doors, they would have done it.

The one thing that Drewp didn't want to risk was that the kids might go into the br and see Stacy and I think he would have gotten her out of the house right away. There was also the danger that Sharon or Cass might stop over and expect to see Stacy. So her car had to go, so that he could say she left. After that, he started setting up diversionary tactics and at the same time trying to give the impression that it was just another day and he was just another husband whose wife left him.

While he was away from the home that first time, I think he probably was setting up arrangements to move Stacy's remains somewhere. Then after the little ones went to bed that night, DrewP started moving cars, and disposed of her remains.

I think that Cass surprised him, I think he thought he would have one more day before Cass made a report if he couldn't convince her. So that is an advantage, she didn't wait that one more day.

The three days after? I do think that DrewP was doing something related to Stacy. When he was near the home he covered his face so that people on the street wouldn't recognize him. Then all of a sudden he quit hiding and started mugging for the camera.
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This makes a lot of sense! If Drew backed Stacy's car up in the driveway as close to the garage or partially in the garage, and brought her body out through the door leading from the house to the garage, he could quickly place her in the trunk and then drive the car out of the neighborhood to the airport around the corner. That would account for the cadaver dog hit on Stacy's car.

I think that trip to Cushing to put the FAA stickers on his ultralight was a cover for making arrangements for her disposal. Perhaps he met someone at the airport?

The three days of "head clearing" has always bother me.
 
Paintr said:
JOLIET, Ill. - Some of the Midwest's highest-profile unsolved crimes -- including the disappearance of Stacy Peterson and the slayings of five women in a clothing store -- may be investigated by suburban Chicago law enforcement agencies that have banded together.

Authorities in Will and Grundy counties, along with the Illinois State Police and the FBI, are forming a Major Crimes Task Force, officials said at a news conference Tuesday.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-majorcrimestaskfo,0,3716308.story
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This is a great idea! Sometimes bringing in new people brings a fresh perspective to a problem, and this might prove to be the case here.
 
breanna said:
Hope everyone had a great Memorial Day weekend! Great to read the posts here and all of those who remember so much :clap: Especially Leila. You are good :clap:

After reading all this I'm struck by how DP changed his MO (in MHO serial killing ways) regarding Stacy. He KNEW he couldn't leave Stacy in the house and claim an "accidental" death. Can't you just picture it? No way he could have this happen to a SECOND wife.

He knew he had to move her and fast. This makes me think that he had very little time to move her body. Cassandra was all over him like a fly on chit. I so hope this is Stacy and Drew made a mistake in thinking he could get away with this.
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Thanks! :blushingsmiley:

It's been so long since the beginning of this case, and everyone here is bringing forward some of the major topics of discussion at that time. I find that someone will mention something and it jogs my memory. :)
 
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"If we can bring somebody to justice, that's good," another crew member said.

He's talking about Drew Peterson, the ex-cop and accused murderer who's long been suspected in the disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacy. Many searchers believe it was her remains that washed up on shore about three-quarters of a mile from Mugzy's Saloon, where family members have launched search efforts.

And they were out yesterday again when one man says they found evidence: an arm bone from shoulder to elbow. He wanted his identity withheld but praised the efforts of the volunteer searchers.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Des.Plaines.River.2.1017836.html



This May 24th article states that family members were searching. I never heard that before.
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I wish I felt as confident as you do but for some reason from the very beginning of the blue barrel saga it just doesn't make sense to me. It does seem like something DP would do in order to send LE on a wild goose chase.

While I respect that you believe he had to have help I just don't see that he had to have any help to remove a 100 pound body. He is not that puny and the adrenaline would be pumping overtime, imo.

But we will see and I hope we all know the correct answer one way or the other one day.

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Like you, I can see how a man would be able to remove a heavy container by himself, given the right situation I would expect that I would be able to do it if necessary. However, there may be some reasons why DP did ask for help.
If the container was difficult to manuver to bring from the upstairs. He couldn't risk getting strange marks, scuffs along the walls or drag marks on the floors, are floors all carpeted or would they be tile/wood?
If he had struggled with Stacy before she was dead, it's also possible that she managed to get some very good kicks/hits in (oh I so hope she did!) DP may not have been at his best physically! By the time the container was moved, several hours had passed, the adrenelin that would have been surging through his body would have lessened. He IMO would have been feeling weaker because of that also.
Can't forget his arrogance, why would he need to put himself out when he can get someone he views as beneith him to help. The mistake he made was in thinking TM would not talk.
Imo Drew has a pattern of bringing other people in to help with things, remember how he had his friend come to Kathleens house so someone else could find her body? He liked to have other people involved, in his mind he was the puppet-master of all.

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The wait is excruciating. At least they are still sifting through the river and on the banks to find more evidence. Hopefully, the skull will be found which will facilitate the ID. (I believe they have a very good idea of the ID already and it is not the two men who are missing from the area unless they wore panties.)
 
Everybody here has good theories. I think the truth lay in between all of them.

It's been raining here like a *advertiser censored* from yesterday afternoon thru the evening and on and off a bit today, that'll give the Des Plaines a nice rise, and strengthen the current some. Bless all the searchers and investigators, can't be easy.

Roe on WLS this afternoon is gonna yap about Drew some more, I'm going to try and tune in.
 
Just stopped by to catch up on this thread. Great posts!

As an aside I wanted to share that my 14 yr old daughter saw DP on TV mugging it up for the reporters that one day (the clip they run where he's talking about his "bling") My 14 yr old child said..."Mom, there is something seriously wrong with that guy, he's actually laughing and cutting up". Out of the mouth of babes eh?

I said yes there is something very wrong with that guy.
 
Just thinking.........

We all have heard of the "blue barrel," the "blue containers" from the cable company, and the "rectangular blue box" with the handles. There has been a lot of good discussion as to who said which blue container when and whether a reporter misspoke. These things take on a life of their own when a mistake is made. I think we all realize that one or more blue boxes/containers/barrels is/are probably involved in this case.

With all that in mind, my question is this: Do we know for certain that there was a "hit" by a cadaver dog on Stacy's car trunk? I don't live near Chicago so I wasn't tuned in to newscasts, but this is the sort of thing that can be a question, then a remark, then a rumor and before long a policeman said it on condition of anonymity.

To me, it seems like this is the kind of information that would not be made available by LE. The reason is basically that this case opened as a missing person case (although it stunk to high heaven from the beginning), and it would seem to not be prudent to reveal this info so early on in the case.

Therefore, does anyone know if this info came from an authority who should know?
 
I'm from the area, and the cadaver dog hit was news to me when it was recently discussed on the site.
 
IIRC the cadaver dogs hits on the car and the mbedroom came from a 'source.' LE would not confirm nor deny at that time. I remember watching the dogs at the home.

I'm sure that came up at the Grand Jury. No wonder it took them so long to get thru all the testimony and witnesses. Lots going on in this case from the beginning. We have a much longer list of what we don't know than what we do know. LE and the GJ know it all though. I think DP got a taste of that at the last hearing when Glasgow offered up the info that he has a witness that DP tried to hire to murder Kathleen.
 
I have not caught up on the thread since I got back in town but I did hear this report on news radio on the way home from work yesterday...insteresting info.

Renowned forensic specialist on unidentified body case

Steve Miller Reporting
CHICAGO (WBBM) - A forensic anthropologist who identified the remains of the Oklahoma City bombing victims and the boys and men murdered by John Wayne Gacy is weighing in on last week's discovery of a body in the Des Plaines River.

Dr. Clyde Snow says that even though DNA may help identify the remains, what’s left of the skeleton itself may yield some clues as to what happened, “Very often the bones turn out to be the best witnesses”.

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http://www.wbbm780.com/Renowned-forensic-specialist-on-unidentified-body-/4472448
 
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