Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

Summersolstice said:

And it would fit with the profile of being a runner. Some competitive marathoners and triathletes do this. Or maybe he'd had radiation of some kind. This is a U.S. example, but all kinds of defence leftovers lurk in the Arctic:

http://www.internationalreportingproject.org/stories/detail/686/

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antiquegirl said:

Or ... it's just a simple case of male pattern baldness and he wants to avoid the dreaded comb-over. I believe it's part of military regulations for men to keep their hair fairly short.

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Pink Panther said:

I added this same comment on the Toronto Cold Cases thread but thought that it might be of interest here as well...

Apparently Margaret McWilliam's family has contacted LE regarding the possibility that Russell Williams may have had something to do with her demise. Bernardo was a suspect in Margaret's death but he was discounted as he was not in the country when she was killed. Williams was quite possibly still in the area during this period as he had finished University (at the Scarborough Campus) the year earlier and was just entering official training at Base Borden. According to various articles, he officially changed his last name back to "Williams" in 1987. In a recently published article the McWilliams stated that they do not believe that their daughter knew RW but they were all living in Chalk River at some point and the McWilliams apparently did know RW's birth parents and occasionally encountered them at parties. I would think that these facts alone would make it worthwhile for LE to look further into this.

MOO

It's interesting to note that a boot/shoe print was found at the scene (it was from a "rare" shoe/boot) and also that someone had seen a man wearing a red cap and a composite had been done but I haven't been able to find much more about this. One other thing I wanted to add regarding the "Bata" shoe. Bata used to have a manufacturing plant near Trenton. RW was earning his Wings at Borden/Trenton during this time period.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/story_p...560638&sponsor=

http://news.ca.msn.com/local/toronto...entid=23457052

Here is a link to the original Cold Case thread:

Unsolved Toronto Crimes - Page 4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

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Summersolstice said:

I'm thinking male pattern baldness doesn't affect legs and chests.

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Summersolstice said:

I'm thinking male pattern baldness doesn't affect legs:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/18/photo-gallery-col-russell-williams-a-timeline/wcgolf2/

Note the cut on the hairless right leg from the September 23, 2009 photo. Isn't "bald" a term for heads, and "hairless" a term for the rest of the body?

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antiquegirl said:

Well, I can't tell anything from that picture. Neither of his legs appears hairy in it, nor do the legs of the other men in shorts. As it happens, my husband has male pattern baldness and he also has almost non-existent hair on his legs. There is also a condition called alopecia that causes partial or complete hair loss anywhere. Personally, I'm not really buying the theory that RW shaved his body to avoid leaving evidence, but that's JMO.

MOO

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flipflop said:

Coincidences:
-they went to the same campus, they were both into jogging,
RW lived in the past with his parents in Scarborough and went to HS at Birchmount CI which is not too far from Warden Woods Park where MM was found. JMO RW would know the area. Here is a map marking the 2 locations
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ta...rborough to Scarborough's Warden Woods Park
McWilliams was: raped and murdered in Scarborough, Ont., in 1987
RW: graduated from the U of T with a BA in 1986, was he still in the area or back for a visit in 1987, the year he joined the armed forces?

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matou said:

In the above post from the Star, there were some other interesting facts that escaped me the first time. Jones mentioned that Williams would use a remote controlled camera to film birds. I wonder if that is what Williams used to be absolutely sure that the homes he broke into were empty or to be sure that the women were asleep and alone. He could have planted this camera in Jessica's home and waited nearby with a monitor to view when to enter the house.

I am not familiar with this type of technology at all or how it works but if Williams could do this then he may have used a video camera in the same way. JMO

Also, Jones states that the police were looking for a strong hairless man. This must mean that the women he assaulted were able to convey to police this valuable piece of disturbing information.

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Digital cameras remote controls are used to release the shutter on a camera rather than the photographer pressing the shutter button. There are two types of digital camera remote controls: cable or wireless systems.

To eliminate camera shake, remotes are used along with a tripod or other camera support.
http://www.digicamhelp.com/accessories/other/remote-controls/

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He also sat down for a series of interrogations, during which he says he gleaned a few clues about who police were looking for: a strong, young, hairless man. Jones, married 43 years, is none of those things.

"I'm as hairy as they come, eh," says Jones, opening his shirt.

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pinkeyesucks said:

I am just wondering why nobody else has commented of this Commander’s photo’s of his younger years as Russ…he is showed in the picture as a man who seems to have brown eyes and wears glasses playing a trumpet…Isn’t it a law that you cannot be a Pilot if you do not have perfect vision? How do you get hired as a pilot under the obvious photos showing him with glasses. Is this the same man or not?

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pinkeyesucks said:

I am just wondering why nobody else has commented of this Commander’s photo’s of his younger years as Russ…he is showed in the picture as a man who seems to have brown eyes and wears glasses playing a trumpet…Isn’t it a law that you cannot be a Pilot if you do not have perfect vision? How do you get hired as a pilot under the obvious photos showing him with glasses. Is this the same man or not?

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Hazel said:

Matou,
1) remote controlled camera = makes me think of a Tripod, but we don't if RW used a remote controlled camera on his victims. Also Mr. Jones doesn't specify if it was wireless or with cable.

But you are right, if it was wireless, he could have been spying on his victims. In his position he could have had access to the latest technology. I hope LE was able to find everything that RW was hiding.

2) strong hairless man This made me think that RW shaved his chest, and maybe some other body parts: arms? legs? Unless his victims were refering to his head I'm trying not to picture how they will know about this particular detail, if their eyes were covered and hands were tied up behind their backs RW reason for shaving could have been to not leave any DNA trace behind, which will obviously indicate premeditation.



http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario...der-charges-fuel-rumours-on-cosy-country-lane

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Summersolstice said:

"Bald" is the word for heads. "Hairless" is a word commonly used to describe other parts of the body. Men themselves talk about "going bald", not "going hairless".

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FUNNYGIRL101 said:

I noted a few posters here were discussing DNA and the obtaining and use of it in criminal proceedings.

I would like to point out that items that are disposed of (and are therefore not deemed as 'property' of the individual) are collected by LE and private investigators as they see fit. Once a person has discarded something - they hold no ownership to it.
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One of the posters mentioned a Cdn criminal case whereby a 'person of interest' was followed by LE - and that individual had discarded a cigarette butt, which LE then obtained, acquired the DNA profile of - and used against that individual in his subsequent arrest, committal to trial and eventual guilt. This is perfectly legal.

I provide a link which outlines in part a case wherein curbside garbage was sifted through and where evidence was found and used against the accused.

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cach...rows+cigarette+away?&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

This practice (of obtaining DNA-laden items and other evidence) of ''warrant-less" search and seizure is often used by LE and private investigators. No Warrant required!!

We're often told to ensure our personal information (with addresses, bank info etc) should be shredded before being thrown out - but all too often people forget about other types of discarded items (much to the delight of LE!) and believe that no one is watching their treasure-trove-of-garbage output. Well, if you're in a "bad" line of work - you should re-think that strategy!

Here's an excerpt from that link:

The Court unanimously agreed that it had not.

The central issue in the case was whether Patrick, by placing his garbage bags outside to be picked up by municipal garbage collection, had abandoned any interest in those bags.

Thus, the case was was essentially resolved as a property law question.

The majority cited R. v. Dyment, [1988] 2 S.C.R. 417 for the proposition that abandonment of an item automatically disposes of one’s privacy interest in that item:

In R. v. Dyment, [1988] 2 S.C.R. 417, La Forest J. treated abandonment as fatal to a reasonable expectation of privacy. He held that when an accused abandons something, it is “best to put it in Charter terms by saying that he [has] ceased to have a reasonable expectation of privacy with regard to it.”

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The links provided in earlier posts were regarding the lawful extraction of bodily fluids/hair samples that were for the purposes of those charged and subsequently convicted of a crime and thereby requiring them by Court Order to provide said sample(s) for the national DNA bank. In the case of someone that has been charged only, but not convicted or having had plead guilty - then that would require consent on behalf of the individual in order for LE to obtain the sample. (Joe Crook: I don't want to provide a sample..... LE: No problem, buddy - you have the right to refuse to provide the sample .... would you like a can of Coke or have a smoke while we finish up on the paperwork???) :doh:

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