FL 17 y/o Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #12

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Were any photos show on local news the night or next day after the shooting?Any here who would get Sanford news stations? I have read in comment areas about GZ having a bloody face being seen on the news right after the shooting. I was wondering if there is any truth to this.Does anyone know? TIA
 
I'd been to two rally's over this incident already so I didn't attend today's. Instead I went to the gun show in Orange county. It was the busiest show I've seen in years could hardly walk around the place.

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I've been keeping abreast of all the info being released/leaked to the public. I still remain committed to my first impression that this incident was purely a snowballed incident that ended in tragedy. Each individual let their suspicion of the other get the better of them.

Funny thing happened yesterday that gave me pause to think. I was washing a car and down the street I heard a forceful bark from a dog. This bark wasn't the typical bark from a dog but rather one of posturing. Then I heard a man shouting get out of here as I turned to look I saw the dog and a man in a stand off... Now what's the importance of this and what does it have to do with the incident in Sanford. Well, in some ways it mirrored what Zimmerman/Martin must have experienced. In that moment it didn't matter what the history was of the neighbor or the dog, for each was entitled to defend themselves. Had the dog attacked the man would have been been justified in self-defense. Had the man attacked the dog then the dog had every right to bite him...

See, all the rest doesn't really matter. Some say Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his truck. Maybe if Martin hadn't been suspended from school he wouldn't have been in Sanford. See there is all sorts of what if's and trying to lay blame on such things are of no material importance. The only thing that really defines this incident is what happened at the moment Zimmerman fired the shot. Was he defending his well being or was he not.
 
Orlando Sentinel had TWO separate experts do voice analysis on the screams that were taped. BOTH of them said that it is positively NOT George Zimmerman who is screaming for help.

I did read the voice analysis. I am still in the head set to wait:
I am never very sure of people that come out
on the weekend to give a report.

Just like I am not sure of a DA that came out in the rain on a Sunday night
to a scene where someone was shot to declare if the shooter should be apprehended.

I think if I question one I should also question the other.
 
I've been thinking about this today, if things happened the way Zimmerman said they did, that it was all a big fight over the gun, that he never intended for it to happen the way it did, I'm left to wonder why he didn't even attempt CPR? It seems to me if it had been a misunderstanding and Zimmerman really didn't mean to kill Trayvon, why didn't he attempt to help him? I don't expect an answer but it's something that's really been heavy on my mind.

God bless you Trayvon. You are with the angels now. Fly wherever you want.



~jmo~
 
Were any photos show on local news the night or next day after the shooting?Any here who would get Sanford news stations? I have read in comment areas about GZ having a bloody face being seen on the news right after the shooting. I was wondering if there is any truth to this.Does anyone know? TIA

I would think that any video would have been on the website of the station that aired it? Would the media have gotten there that quick? Wasn't it just 35 or so minutes after the shooting when Zimmerman arrived at the station?
 
I asked an ER doctor who gave me the politically correct response of...."EMS has a precise protocol to evaluate the possibility of any type of head injury. They would complete that immediately and if there was any possibility of injury they would inform the police who would then have transported him to the ED whether he wanted to go or not."

They would be violating his constitutional right to waive treatment.
 
Then there's the probable cause for arrest, if, a voice analyst with the FBI confirms.

If the voice analyst is correct, then it is highly likely that the bullet trajectory, and the powder burns and the other forensic evidence that can be gleaned from Trayvon's body and other places are going to support that, and then the arrest will be made because the States Attorney is not going to arrest at this point only on PC, they want a prosecutable case, not a screwup when they go to trial, I still have that funny feeling in the pit of my stomach that says that while the bullet might have been close, it may not have been close enough to substantiate an attack...but that is just me, I do not see how a very close contact shot could leave GZ's clothing as unscathed as it was, there should have been some sign that he was very close when Trayvon was shot, and some blood spatter IMO JMHO and stuff.
 
I've seen people more upset over killing a dog than Zimmerman appeared in the video at the station? I'll never forget when I hit a cat. I had to pull over because I could not stop crying. I sat there for a good 30 minutes crying.
 
BBM

The lack of due process is what's troubling most people, I believe.

Speaking of due process and the 14th Amendment...

Trayvon has due process rights as well...and part of the 14th Amendment that is being ignored is the Equal Protection Clause.

That's what's troubling me...

MOO
 
They would be violating his constitutional right to waive treatment.

If they believe that his thought processes might be impaired then he does not have the right to waive treatment, further if he is in police custody then he does not have the right to waive treatment because at that point they are responsible for him.
 
They would be violating his constitutional right to waive treatment.

Why would he want to waive his right to treatment period? It's been said he went to the doctor the next day so why not go the night of the murder? It would have bolstered his claim that he was injured and that he was acting in self-defense. I can't understand this.



~jmo~
 
I'd been to two rally's over this incident already so I didn't attend today's. Instead I went to the gun show in Orange county. It was the busiest show I've seen in years could hardly walk around the place.

<modsnip>

I've been keeping abreast of all the info being released/leaked to the public. I still remain committed to my first impression that this incident was purely a snowballed incident that ended in tragedy. Each individual let their suspicion of the other get the better of them.

Funny thing happened yesterday that gave me pause to think. I was washing a car and down the street I heard a forceful bark from a dog. This bark wasn't the typical bark from a dog but rather one of posturing. Then I heard a man shouting get out of here as I turned to look I saw the dog and a man in a stand off... Now what's the importance of this and what does it have to do with the incident in Sanford. Well, in some ways it mirrored what Zimmerman/Martin must have experienced. In that moment it didn't matter what the history was of the neighbor or the dog, for each was entitled to defend themselves. Had the dog attacked the man would have been been justified in self-defense. Had the man attacked the dog then the dog had every right to bite him...

See, all the rest doesn't really matter. Some say Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his truck. Maybe if Martin hadn't been suspended from school he wouldn't have been in Sanford. See there is all sorts of what if's and trying to lay blame on such things are of no material importance. The only thing that really defines this incident is what happened at the moment Zimmerman fired the shot. Was he defending his well being or was he not.

I totally agree with this.
 
I personally think that the States Attorney needs to be transparent if for some reason they decide not to charge him, she needs to lay out all the indesputable evidence for everyone to see that shows that this was in fact a justified shooting. IMO JMHO and stuff.

I hope that it will be transparent too. But what happens if there isn't indisputable evidence that it was a justified shooting? And what happens if there isn't indisputable evidence of murder or manslaughter? In other words insufficient evidence. Go ahead and charge GZ anyway? And let a jury decide. I don't know if that would be right. JMO.
 
They would be violating his constitutional right to waive treatment.

But he claims he had to Stand His Ground or he was going to die, in that situation you would think he would want to go to the hospital. About his constitutional rights being violated what about Trayvons constitutional rights to walk the streets minding his business?
 
I'd been to two rally's over this incident already so I didn't attend today's. Instead I went to the gun show in Orange county. It was the busiest show I've seen in years could hardly walk around the place.

<modsnip>

I've been keeping abreast of all the info being released/leaked to the public. I still remain committed to my first impression that this incident was purely a snowballed incident that ended in tragedy. Each individual let their suspicion of the other get the better of them.

Funny thing happened yesterday that gave me pause to think. I was washing a car and down the street I heard a forceful bark from a dog. This bark wasn't the typical bark from a dog but rather one of posturing. Then I heard a man shouting get out of here as I turned to look I saw the dog and a man in a stand off... Now what's the importance of this and what does it have to do with the incident in Sanford. Well, in some ways it mirrored what Zimmerman/Martin must have experienced. In that moment it didn't matter what the history was of the neighbor or the dog, for each was entitled to defend themselves. Had the dog attacked the man would have been been justified in self-defense. Had the man attacked the dog then the dog had every right to bite him...

See, all the rest doesn't really matter. Some say Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his truck. Maybe if Martin hadn't been suspended from school he wouldn't have been in Sanford. See there is all sorts of what if's and trying to lay blame on such things are of no material importance. The only thing that really defines this incident is what happened at the moment Zimmerman fired the shot. Was he defending his well being or was he not.

So should we expect a load of mad man with guns? :floorlaugh:

I like your assessments and I am right there with you. I think things snowballed out of hand.
THE DOG AND MAN STAND OFF IS a perfect visual. LOL

But with the rallies, and gun shows, and anger. all I can say is don&#8217;t wear hoodies, LOL
don&#8217;t get out of your cars, LOL and Don&#8217;t bother with SPO.
 
What evidence is favorable to GZ at this point? Just contested witness testimony, a questionable police report, and the rapidly changing stories of GZ himself, a man who is desperately trying to avoid prison?

:goodpost:
 
I've been thinking about this today, if things happened the way Zimmerman said they did, that it was all a big fight over the gun, that he never intended for it to happen the way it did, I'm left to wonder why he didn't even attempt CPR? It seems to me if it had been a misunderstanding and Zimmerman really didn't mean to kill Trayvon, why didn't he attempt to help him? I don't expect an answer but it's something that's really been heavy on my mind.

God bless you Trayvon. You are with the angels now. Fly wherever you want.



~jmo~

It's possible he was in too much shock from what he just did. I did read that the EMT's gave Trayvon CPR.
 
Per the mods, we are not allowed to discuss Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Black Panthers, or anything related.

Was not aware of that thank you for informing me. I had been away from the site last couple of days... If you don't mind me asking did they give a reason or am I supposed to ignore everything written/spoken/or seen?
 
Why would he want to waive his right to treatment period? It's been said he went to the doctor the next day so why not go the night of the murder? It would have bolstered his claim that he was injured and that he was acting in self-defense. I can't understand this.



~jmo~

Maybe certain blood work would have been done and he didn't want this?

I do want to know when he did go to the hospital though? How long after he left the station? Did he go to the actual hospital or did he go to a private doctor?

Another question, could Zimmerman sue the HOA's too? Could he possibly have a case against the HOA himself?

MOO
 
I see the national protest march as being support for Trayvon, a public cry for a fair investigation, and a highlight for the world at large on how injustice in our systems is still alive and well.

In all fairness, to expect them to somehow include in their march a solution for eliminating crime in young black males so that no other young black male is ever again unfairly treated is expecting a tad much. It would be tantamount to marching on behalf of a Mexican male being mistakenly shot as a border-crossing drug runner but expecting the marchers to also have a solution to keep Mexican drug runners from crossing the border so that no mexicans were ever suspected of that again.

I understand the frustration at the larger problem, I do. But resenting their position on this one particular case because they can't solve the nation's larger issues, which probably have to do with poverty, hopelessness, culture of entitlement, generational drug abuse, mega-million celebrity worship with the attending materialism, blatant commercialism, and loss of stable family units, well , truly, isnt that expecting a lot?

In my early years and career, I was devoted to advocating for the disenfranchised, the poverty-stricken, etc, and passionately worked for equitable treatment for all. I have NEVER given up my peace and love heart and soul. But I have lived long enough to know there are no quick solutions to enormous problems, especially when the majority of people are more concerned with that extra 2 pennies in their pocket than seeing that an impoverished child gets to eat. For true change to happen, pathological narcissism, greed, and blame must be eradicated and replaced by love and a true desire for the best interests of all. And sadly, at 57, I realize that just ain't gonna happen.

BBM IMHO.. It could happen.. Remember The 100th Monkey.. A story about social change.

http://www.wowzone.com/monkey.htm
 
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