Photos of the Couple - *WARNING: Graphic Images*

I'm not seeing the resemblance between these two, I think they were boyfriend and girlfriend. Jane Doe's lips are much thinner than John's; her nose is thinner too and of a completely different shape. They both have brown hair, but that's where the similaries end in my opinion. John has wide, strong features, while Jane's are thinner and more delicate.

I never heard of this couple before. Having looked at the pictures, the comments and the links, I have a slightly different take of this couple.

I believe they were foreigners. Their resemblance to some of the Argentines is interesting in that most people in Argentina are an ethnic mix of Spanish and Italian blood. Argentine women, especialy of the upper classes, are very beauty conscious. I do not believe the couple is from Argentina, however, for two reasons. One, if they had just fled from a brutal military regime in their home country, I doubt that they would be driving or hitchhiking around the United States. Two, while Argentine customs may have changed over the years I cannot imagine an Argentine woman not shaving her legs.

I do not believe they are Italian nationals either. If the initials on the watch are in fact the man's, the letter J is not customarily used in the Italian language. John is Gianni. Joseph is Giuseppe. The month of June is Giungno.

The olive colored complexion certainly implies the Mediterranean area which would exclude their being Northern, Central or Eastern Europeans. I doubt based on their complexions that they were French Canadians.

This, in my book, leaves us with Spaniards, Portuguese or Mediterreanan French. I do not know what the customs of women were back then, but I suspect French women were the group least likely of the three to have shaved their legs back then. (the man was clean shaven so it is not that they did not have any razors at their disposal). The French ancestry would include former colonialists in North Africa.

So the question still remains how did this couple (probably French) of comfortable background get to the US, meander about and meet a violent death without anyone back home worrying about them?

I misstated one fact. The initials were not engraved on the man's watch, rather the ring.

As for the watch, I thought it was odd that they could not trace the serial number on the watch. This website provides an explanation:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~fotoplot/accdate.htm

If the information on this page is accurate, the serial numbers came from Swiss made Bulova Accutrons and there was no registry made of the serial numbers.

The ring was a synthetic sapphire made by the Linde Air Products Co which made the gems in Indiana. That does not mean the ring was purchased there. The company closed the Indiana plant in 1974. (I do not know if they continued to make the gems at another facility but it could imply that the man owned the ring for a few years before his death)

Finally, I think the man from KOA probably was telling the truth. My hunch that they were French did not include the KOA guy's information. They could have traveled from Mediterranean France to Quebec first before coming to the US. Perhaps the KOA guy mistook Canada for Cannes which is on the French Riviera.

In any event, I think the answer to their identity is probably to be found in Southern France. If the family was looking for them, any bulletins would have been in French long before the development of the internet so that could explain the absence of any matching missing persons reports online.

I do not believe these are Argentineans at all. Having family in Argentina, I can assure you that all women there shave, and that jewelry was not common for that time period. They also do not match the proposed photos. I believe they are French Canadians or Europeans. No one has said that they might be German, and they could very well be as many Germans do have those features as well. They might even have been involved in drug trafficking, which could explain the execution type murders. However, the likely scenario is tourist and hitching around the area. I cant believe no one from those tourist areas have recognized them. I think Canada may hold the key to resolving this case. They could also be American, as some hippies of the time didnt shave their legs either.

I find it so strange that the murderer didn't try to hide the bodies...just pulling them back into the brush would of probably left them undiscovered for some time I would think. They are just literally right in the road. Now, I do see a familial resemblance, not saying they couldn't just be friends or lovers. I don't know why I say this, but they do look like they are not from the US...

Not sure if this is the correct place to make a post but here goes.

I read on Doenetwork.org that the t-shirt worn by the male victim possibly came from the Coors races in Florida, but the 1975 race in the Camel GT Series was held in Leguna Secca, CA.

Mapping the route from Leguna Secca, CA to Grant's Truck Stop in Lupton, AZ is a pretty straight route.

I haven't yet researched the date the 1975 race to estimate the time
between the race and when the bodies were found.

Sorry if this information has already been posted somewhere.

Does anyone know if the DNA results on these 2 are back yet? Were they confirmed to be related or not?
Has the poster in the other thread had anymore discussions with Verna?
I was born & raised in Charleston, SC- not far from where this happened. I was born 2 years after these murders. I asked my mother if she remembered, and she said that was during her senior year in college, so she wasn't paying attention to the news. Anyways, my mom is an interlibrary loan specialist at a university. Her job is to locate and get copies of hard-to-find books and articles from all over the world. She can find the most obscure stuff. So if anybody has any newspaper articles about murders they need help locating, I can ask my mom to find them. I was thinking about getting her to find me copies of every article written about these 2.

Perhaps the initials engraved into the ring are not his, but hers. I've known a few people to engrave their significant other's name or initials into a wedding band or a special ring. They may even be the initials of somebody else special in his life- a mother, a best friend or an ex-girlfriend.
I do not believe these two were hitchhiking. The shoes Jane doe was wearing are not practical for long-distance walking. Maybe they picked up a hitchhiker and he shot them to steal their car.
I wonder if LE had gone to the media to ask if anybody who had driven that route the night of the murders had seen a hitchhiker. did they ask if there were customers at the fruit stand that may have seen these 2?
Maybe the perp was somebody known to them. they may have picked up somebody days or weeks before this happened and just rode around with the guy. Or it could be that one or both knew him from way back. I suppose if we all think up a million different scenarios, we'll eventually hit the nail on the head.

parakeet said:

Does anyone know if the DNA results on these 2 are back yet? Were they confirmed to be related or not?
Has the poster in the other thread had anymore discussions with Verna?
I was born & raised in Charleston, SC- not far from where this happened. I was born 2 years after these murders. I asked my mother if she remembered, and she said that was during her senior year in college, so she wasn't paying attention to the news. Anyways, my mom is an interlibrary loan specialist at a university. Her job is to locate and get copies of hard-to-find books and articles from all over the world. She can find the most obscure stuff. So if anybody has any newspaper articles about murders they need help locating, I can ask my mom to find them. I was thinking about getting her to find me copies of every article written about these 2.

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bbm

Welcome. That is a great idea about getting articles on these two.

There are six chapters to read but it is well worth it.



http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/mystery_couple/index.html

I have just found another interesting drawing of her in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Postmortem_Drawing_by_Harvey_Pratt.jpg

I know it says that she was suspected as being a victim of Bundy but this girls stats match perfectly with the doe and the resemblence is so remarkable. What do you think? Bundy killed so many women that look like Julie could he possible mistaken her for someone else that he victimized?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cunningham_julie.html

If she doesn't have two moles on her left hand side of her face then it's not her.

Lil'E said:

I know it says that she was suspected as being a victim of Bundy but this girls stats match perfectly with the doe and the resemblence is so remarkable. What do you think? Bundy killed so many women that look like Julie could he possible mistaken her for someone else that he victimized?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cunningham_julie.html

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Here's my facial reconstruction for this couple:

WOW, CarlK! Amazing. Looks just like the pm pics...but you've somehow managed to breathe life into them. I don't know if it's the eyes or what. It's amazing. As always, nice work!!

The man has a definite French Canadian look to him.

In the morgue pics they look French. I'm Dutch and am used to seeing Europeans and if I hadn't already seen the speculation on this couple, just by looking at their facial features I would say they were most likely French.

I can't see the skin tone or I would say also possibly Portuguese (who also have fine facial features). But then the skin tone would be more olive.

They don't look German, Dutch or northern European (Scandinavian). They are too finely built.

christine2448 said:

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Christopher Martin king
on The Doe network case #4071DMCA
and the female this young lady?

nancy perry Baird
#2630DFUT

they look similar to the couple ..
could DNA be done on them?
to match? Or not?lease:

CarlK90245 said:

Here's my facial reconstruction for this couple:

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Please see their profiles in The Doe Network
cases #'s
#2630DFUT
and
#4071DMCA

they really resemble them and their descriptions do not mention much as far as noticeable birthmarks and body identification marks.
Even so, they went missing before this couple was found .
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websurfer said:

Christopher Martin king
on The Doe network case #4071DMCA
and the female this young lady?

nancy perry Baird
#2630DFUT

they look similar to the couple ..
could DNA be done on them?
to match? Or not?lease:

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Christopher King really resembles this picture. Not sure about the girl as the moles are nor apparent in either photo.