CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #1

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From my link above:

"....[Killer, Evan] Marshall, who is bipolar and has a history of mental illness and drug and alcohol abuse, dismembered Fox at his mother's house nearby. Fox's head was later discovered by cops in a car Marshall was driving..."

and

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_..._term_for_denice_fox_kille.html#ixzz1B9erKglq

"....[Judge] LaPera said he believed a first-degree murder conviction, if obtained at trial, would not withstand appeal. Noting that prosecutors hid from [Denice] Fox's family details of the grisly killing - which detectives have termed a psychosexual murder - LaPera reasoned Fox's "dignity" is best "preserved" by preventing the specifics from being made public at trial...."


I'm not sure how I feel about details being withheld from the family. I didn't even know that could be done. I surely understand the reason for wanting to protect the family but at what cost? Only 27 years for a murder like this? He got five years for the hit and run.

And there's a term, "psychosexual", that I had not read before. It strikes me as similar to the murders we've seen where the body is ritualistically dismembered and/or staged. Any possibility that this could be the case with Ms. Gleave?

If the homeless man living in the barn is the killer, they've got him and the community can relax. But if this is the act of a neighbor or someone close to Ms. Gleave, the community has every reason to be terrified.
 
It's unclear where the dogs were, annalyzer. LE says that they were found in "another room" of the house.
 
Missizzy said:
Might be nothing but sure seems curious.

I'm wondering if any of the articles and studies this person was involved with might have put Ms. Gleave at risk. Could that be why she was so concerned about her email address? As I've said before, I am more than a bit scientifically challenged. Maybe someone else can spend some time and check this out.

http://dailynews.mcmaster.ca/story.cfm?id=5164

http://mes.mcmaster.ca/media/council/minutes/0910/091021M-SAGM.pdf
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Nice find! surprised me as well. Here is another link (2008), scroll down half way

http://www.cst.uwaterloo.ca/people.html
 
http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/rev2/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=362&Itemid=52
It is amazing what the FBI can tell about a person just from examining how the victim was killed, and what was done to her/him before death. For example, if the killer strangles his victim, it may indicate a need to be intimate with the victim. If the killer shoots the victim, it indicates a desire to remain remote or distant from the victim. If the killer "overkills" the victim (i.e. stabs the victim multiple times), that may indicate that he felt powerless and was trying to show his dominance. If the victim is mutilated after death, the killer was likely afraid or ashamed to face the victim alive. If he killed the victim after mutilation, he was likely trying to gain control over the victim. If he spent a long time at the scene, then he was confident, and likely older. If he was in a rush, he was likely younger. If the murder was very brutal, it may indicate that the killer has feminine characteristics. If he sexually assaulted the victim after death, he was shy.
 
I hadn't seen that...fascinating. I wonder how well those characteristics hold up. Many make sense but a few seem contraindicated. I'll have to read that in more depth. Thank you.

No I was quite surprised to find the person involved with the MES. I saw that he attended school, it seems, at two campuses, and from a young age. I'm assuming that this would mean that he only worked for Ms. Gleave during breaks or holidays but I imagine she got quite a thrill out of the intellectual stimulation. She seemed quite displeased with her bridge partners and Sudoku can hold one's interest just so long. I'm sure she outshone many at her coffee group (not to be disrespectful of them but she was tremendously bright). I would imagine she looked forward to someone who could discuss physics and engineering and so on at her level. She possibly even tutored the young man as she was known to jump in to help those who didn't understand a concept. The hug described actually makes far more sense now. She had found someone who she could talk to and who probably excited her with his knowledge. He seems to have published a number of articles and won several awards. What a bright young man. And here we thought he was simply an unskilled laborer. No doubt that's why not much landscaping or yard work seems to have been done. They were probably pouring over quarterlies or she was editing his papers.
 
The moment I read this Dairydog I immediately thought of Sonia V. her link is following.
Found Deceased Canada - Sonia Varaschin, 42, Orangeville, 29 Aug 2010 - #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

her murderer has not been found I'm going to go back through her thread and see if I can find any connection. Perhaps she went to McMaster? Did the same person do some sort of repairs for both these ladies?


dairydog said:
I am sure that LE was able to collect lots of forensic evidence at the scene of the murder. We hope that they will have the killer's DNA or other forensic clues. Apparently the Toronto lab is working hard to get their reports to LE. Surely they would enter any evidence into the database of the various police forces in addition to the RCMP. Perhaps this killer has a prior record and would therefore be entered into one of these databases. Perhaps this is a long shot or wishful thinking. I would bet that LE is investigating any registered sex offenders or predators who reside within close proximity to AG. Unlike in many states, in Canada the public does not have access to a registered sex offender database. It is also understandable why LE does not release more details of the horrific injuries sustained by this poor soul. They would not want to compromise their investigation or jeopardize a future trial if this monster is apprehended. Since the police released almost immediately that there was a sexual component involved, it would appear that this aspect was readily noticeable when they viewed the body. This could mean that poor AG's clothes were missing or strewn about. IMO, the sexual component may not have involved the actual sex act as we would consider it but some other form of horrific sexual invasion. I can think of other sexual components that may have involved objects or mutilation. I don't want to be misconstrued as putting out morbid scenarios but whatever this fiend did would enable LE and criminal profilers to develop an insight into this killer's makeup and MO. The police said that the main motive here was not robbery and I'd have to agree. A robber's objective is theft of valuables and not horrendous murder although some victims have been killed when confronting or surprising the thief.
We still don't know if this monster targeted AG although police believe this to be a random attack. This was a horrific and brutal murder with the killer exhibiting tremendous rage. I also think that this may not be the first time that this killer struck. There could be other victims in the past. I just hope and pray that he is caught before there are more victims as chances are great that he'll strike again. This killer is undoubtedly a psychopath and sadly these creeps are often difficult to catch since they operate without a conscience.
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LilyMacBloom said:
The moment I read this Dairydog I immediately thought of Sonia V. her link is following.
Found Deceased Canada - Sonia Varaschin, 42, Orangeville, 29 Aug 2010 - #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

her murderer has not been found I'm going to go back through her thread and see if I can find any connection. Perhaps she went to McMaster? Did the same person do some sort of repairs for both these ladies?
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I have also thought about the SV case LilyMacBloom. I know they brought in an FBI profiler (I think it was FBI) but didn't release all the profile details to the public for fear of compromising the investigation. Ancaster is quite a way from Orangeville but one never knows. I think that most of us felt that SV's killer would be arrested quickly given all the evidence. The various police detachments have pulled out all the stops but still no arrest. We have 3 recent cases of horrific brutality; SV in Orangeville, the poor lady in Mono who was brutally beaten in her photography studio (on a slow road to recovery from severe brain injuries) and now AG.
The SV profile mentioned a loner type who might have exhibited strange behavior following the murder. This could be the case but what I find totally scary is the fact that AG's killer could be a Ted Bundy or Russell Williams type psychopath who nobody would ever suspect. As we know TB was a clever law student, charming, good looking and had a number of girlfriends and yet committed horrific murders. Unfortunately they are much harder to catch and quite often it's a slip-up on their part that leads to an arrest. AG's fiendish killer may fit the profile of those two. Poor AG's killer may have taken a so called 'trophy' from the home. They often say that these psychopath's drive by the scene of their crimes after the fact.
It would be interesting to find out if there is any commonality with regard to the 3 cases. Perhaps the Orangeville and Mono cases are connected but I have a feeling that Ancaster may be too far.
 
Violent transient charged with vicious murder of another woman from Hamilton.What is going on there?!

http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/474024--transient-man-charged-in-shopkeeper-murder
Special to the Hamilton...MURDER CHARGES:A 25-year-old man described by police as a “transient” is facing a first degree murder charge in the death of a pregnant shopkeeper, who was brutally attacked and left for dead in the downtown store she owned with her husband eight months ago.
Hunt for downtown killer down to one man
.A 25-year-old man described by police as a “transient” is facing a first degree murder charge in the death of a pregnant shopkeeper, who was brutally attacked and left for dead in the downtown store she owned with her husband eight months ago.

Hamilton police Detective Sergeant Ian Matthews announced the charge against Patrick Sung Tae Smith Friday afternoon, hours after detectives arrested the man “without incident” at a downtown residence.

Matthews said he believes the accused and victim were strangers to each other and the motive was robbery. Her purse was missing.
 
I really have to wonder if that murder was not hate-related due to the woman's ethnicity. Absolutely tragic but I'm not getting the sense it was related the Ms. Gleave's death.

I'm so pleased they caught the alleged killer.
 
I was just looking at the map at the following site:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/309093--friends-remember-audrey-gleave

Does anyone else find it curious that the address given for the "abandoned barn" pinpoints a property which has a number of outbuildings--none of which seem to be abandoned. There seems to be a number of vehicles parked around the property and quite a sense of activity in the area.

Being that Ms. Gleave's handyman lives within a few blocks of that location, I wonder if he ever picked up that man when he was out walking. That might have been a way for the transient man to have gotten closer to Ms. Gleave's property. I'd wondered why he would seek out a house 5 miles away, if he was on foot.
 
Does anyone know the exact address of the barn which was searched? I was looking at other crimes committed in the area within the last year of so and found this. This occurred on a street named Sympatica Crescent, which looks to be just blocks away from the barn. I was interested in it as it involves a young man who must have been experiencing some sort of mental break and who was threatening to kill himself while brandishing two large knives. The investigation of the shooting, which occurred in August 2010, was just completed. The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.

http://www.brantford.com/news.cfm?page=news&section=read&articleId=9652


Being that a commenter on one of the earlier articles talked about "going to that barn until being chased by a man with an axe" (I'm paraphrasing here), I have to wonder what all was going on at that barn. Was this man, EJ, involved with the barn in some way?
 
Missizzy said:
Does anyone know the exact address of the barn which was searched? I was looking at other crimes committed in the area within the last year of so and found this. This occurred on a street named Sympatica Crescent, which looks to be just blocks away from the barn. I was interested in it as it involves a young man who must have been experiencing some sort of mental break and who was threatening to kill himself while brandishing two large knives. The investigation of the shooting, which occurred in August 2010, was just completed. The officers were cleared of any wrongdoing.

http://www.brantford.com/news.cfm?page=news&section=read&articleId=9652


Being that a commenter on one of the earlier articles talked about "going to that barn until being chased by a man with an axe" (I'm paraphrasing here), I have to wonder what all was going on at that barn. Was this man, EJ, involved with the barn in some way?
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The address of the abandoned farm is 347 Lynden Road. I did see the address in one of the newspaper articles when the search was underway by LE. I took a look and it appears that this property has been in the same family since the 1950's. It is registered in part as being an estate. I would say that the long time owners passed away & it was left to a family member. It states that it is a 'farm without residence'. There would have been an old farmhouse at one time. I'm sure it is abandoned. The photos of the search showed pretty derelict looking buildings. I'm guessing that the owner(s) have just let it go as it may be a site for development down the road. There looks to be quite a bit of development not far from it. Also this farm would not be far from AG's property.
 
snipped by me. I thought PK lived in Brantford ?? maybe I'm wrong. I 411 and don't find any listing for a P in Ancaster area. Which is not to say he couldn't have given the guy a lift on his way to AG's


Missizzy said:
I was just looking at the map at the following site:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/309093--friends-remember-audrey-gleave



Being that Ms. Gleave's handyman lives within a few blocks of that location, I wonder if he ever picked up that man when he was out walking. That might have been a way for the transient man to have gotten closer to Ms. Gleave's property. I'd wondered why he would seek out a house 5 miles away, if he was on foot.
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LilyMacBloom said:
snipped by me. I thought PK lived in Brantford ?? maybe I'm wrong. I 411 and don't find any listing for a P in Ancaster area. Which is not to say he couldn't have given the guy a lift on his way to AG's
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There is a Brantford address for a PK so I'm pretty sure this would be the right one. It's not far from this address to Lynden Road & therefore Indian Trail.
 
Thank you, dairydog, but I'm still confused. Ms. Gleave's address was 3401 Indian Trail, Lynden and the barn is at 347 Lynden Rd. Googlemaps shows those two addresses to be 4 miles or 6.3 km apart. Am I incorrect? Maybe I'm not putting in the correct address. Going by the map provided at here:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/309093--friends-remember-audrey-gleave

it looks as if the barn is near the cut off for Garden Ave. and Ms. Gleave's property is just before Indian Trail dead-ends into another section of Lynden Rd. I live out in the country and our roads do the same thing--very confusing.

To my mind, that would be quite a hike for a guy who was walking. It is a straight shot, though, and I suppose someone from the barn could have hitched a ride. Is there bus service in that area?

I also noticed a comment that I'd missed in an earlier article:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/308182--derelict-barn-scoured-for-clues

"....BV, who lives in the area, used to skate on the pond on Gleave's property growing up...."

I wonder if Ms. Gleave continued to allow children and teens to skate on her pond regularly or if she hosted students at her house. She seemed so private, that statement kind of surprised me. Maybe the privacy is a more recent development.


A question: Why is Ms. Gleave referred to as a woman from Ancaster when her address comes up as in Lynden? Maybe that explains things.
 
snipped by me:

It would be interesting to find out if there is any commonality with regard to the 3 cases. Perhaps the Orangeville and Mono cases are connected but I have a feeling that Ancaster may be too far.[/QUOTE]

ITA with the above. Right up until the "too far away" . Distance is all relative. Victoria Stafford was driven from Woodstock to Fergus.

I think it all depends on where one's home base is, where they've lived in the past, worked, took holidays, gone to school, have family etc etc. The list is endless. When I worked my job took me all over the place, farthest being Ottawa.

If you are in a union, you can be commuting all over the place just to work. (not that I'm a union worker)

I'm wondering if the connection may have something to do with the medical profession. SV a nurse, (and off hand I forget where all she worked) AG and the poor lady from Mono may have had to see a specialist or day surgery and perp works there, thus having access to all personal information and also could strike up a bit of a conversation.

I know, don't tell me, I have an over active imagination.
 
Missizzy said:
Thank you, dairydog, but I'm still confused. Ms. Gleave's address was 3401 Indian Trail, Lynden and the barn is at 347 Lynden Rd. Googlemaps shows those two addresses to be 4 miles or 6.3 km apart. Am I incorrect? Maybe I'm not putting in the correct address. Going by the map provided at here:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/309093--friends-remember-audrey-gleave

it looks as if the barn is near the cut off for Garden Ave. and Ms. Gleave's property is just before Indian Trail dead-ends into another section of Lynden Rd. I live out in the country and our roads do the same thing--very confusing.

To my mind, that would be quite a hike for a guy who was walking. It is a straight shot, though, and I suppose someone from the barn could have hitched a ride. Is there bus service in that area?

I also noticed a comment that I'd missed in an earlier article:

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/308182--derelict-barn-scoured-for-clues

"....BV, who lives in the area, used to skate on the pond on Gleave's property growing up...."

I wonder if Ms. Gleave continued to allow children and teens to skate on her pond regularly or if she hosted students at her house. She seemed so private, that statement kind of surprised me. Maybe the privacy is a more recent development.


A question: Why is Ms. Gleave referred to as a woman from Ancaster when her address comes up as in Lynden? Maybe that explains things.
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You're right Missizzy in that it does appear to be about 4 miles from the farm to AG's property. It would indeed be a good hike especially now when it's pretty cold. It may turn out that the abandoned outbuildings play no role in this at all.
 
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