2010.06.01 - Casey Suffers Fall at Courthouse

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When you look back and see what happens to every single person who has ever tried to help the A family, they get burned. I wonder if the guards stood still and didn't touch her for fear of being blamed for pushing her or somehow causing the fall.

Compared to what Caylee went through, this is nothing.

IMO
 
seagull65 said:
Nothing funny about a person in shackles falling and hitting their face or teeth, that's for sure. Hope it wasn't anything more serious than a chipped tooth but that's certainly bad enough. Falling shackled with no hands to break your fall is a heavy fall and obviously very dangerous to your head, neck, arms, back, every part of you. Would her hands have been cuffed in front I hope and not in back? But maybe still cuffed to her waist though so not able to put her arms out at all?

A patient (and friend) of my dad's slipped on ice a couple years ago and came in to his office about a chipped tooth, my dad discovered her jaw was actually broken, she didn't know it.
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Shhh! JB might hear you!;):p
 
Bathbuddys said:
lol i WONDER which of these stories is true, coming out of elevator, getting out of bus, falling and cutting chin, lip and teeth? the article above says lip and chipped tooth and the guards caught her before she fell....good job!
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I wonder too. Falling getting out of an elevator would be bad enough, but falling from a vehicle to a curb or something could be that much worse

If they caught her before she fell I don't see how she would have a split lip or chipped tooth

Maybe clearer details will be released tomorrow
 
She sure is a clumsy thing in shackles. Remember when she tripped in court? I believe every word of "it was an accident", she's so concentrated on her every move, it doesn't surprise me a bit.
 
seagull65 said:
I haven't seen any medical info indicating her seizures were fake, did I miss something? I haven't seen any medical diagnosis yet regarding the nature or cause of her seizures, :waitasec: Please share

Why would she "fake" a seizure in front of Jesse G back in the day, for example? I would think just the opposite, that a young woman her age would be more likely to be embarrassed about having had a seizure in front of her boyfriend.

Nor do I think she'd throw herself on her face with her hands shackled. Can't see how she would gain anything from doing that, she would only risk getting hurt and damaging her looks IMO
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What was weird about the stroke thing is that she text so early in the morning around 6, not normal? I used to have family members (they died) that did not let anyone to know about their health issues and that it was no ones business. They would not have admitted to anything like that. MOO
 
Seems like it did happen inside the courthouse.....

Casey Anthony slipped and fell in an elevator at the Orange County Courthouse on her way to a hearing.


A jail spokesman described the injuries as minor, but as a result, she was not in court when Judge Belvin Perry Jr. denied a slew defense motion.
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http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/06/judge-denies-defense-motions-i.html

A spokesman with the Orange County Jail said she got tripped up in her shackles and fell while in the courthouse.
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http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/6/1/can_defense_get_death_penalty_dropped_against_casey.html

ETA: KB is also saying that it happened while she was getting out of the elevator at the courthouse.

http://www.wftv.com/video/23758629/index.html

When JB was asked how serious it was, he says: "Serious enough to get medical attention".
 
jon_burrows said:
When you look back and see what happens to every single person who has ever tried to help the A family, they get burned. I wonder if the guards stood still and didn't touch her for fear of being blamed for pushing her or somehow causing the fall.

Compared to what Caylee went through, this is nothing.

IMO
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I would think guards receive very specific directions and training about handling inmates while shackled to prevent falls, they know they have to prevent a fall, it's such a liability/responsibility. I would think they'd be horrified if they didn't manage to catch the person they were transporting before they got hurt. But I don't know for sure what the training and procedures are, etc

I don't understand comparing what Caylee went through to an injury to Casey. Casey could be innocent for one thing.....

Also, we don't know what Caylee went through.
 
drip~drop said:
Me either. Unless the root is involved. I don't know about jailhouse dental practices.
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I dont know either but I watch MSNBC prison programs and have seen many without teeth.If it is a break where she could cut her mouth from it,they may repair it.
When my son was in intensive care they brought in a prisoner with chest pains.Joe was in a coma so never knew,the prisoner was chained to the bed and had a 24 hr. guard posted :silenced:
 
ExpectingUnicorns said:
I think that this will have a huge impact on Casey. Even more than her appearance or pain, I think it may make her realize what a vulnerable position she is in ~ It might just be the wake-up call she needs.
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That is an interesting thought. I've often wondered what could make her "snap out of" her haze/daze. For example, have the defense confronted her at all, how much have they shown her, have they shown her photos (do they even have remains photos for example, if so, have they shown them to Casey? Has she been confronted with the reality yet of what happened?) I have had the feeling all along that if she were confronted enough, she might finally be able to snap out of her la-la land. Fingers crossed. Maybe this literally jarring fall or whatever happened could be a wake up call like you say
 
Nore said:
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I dont know either but I watch MSNBC prison programs and have seen many without teeth.If it is a break where she could cut her mouth from it,they may repair it.
When my son was in intensive care they brought in a prisoner with chest pains.Joe was in a coma so never knew,the prisoner was chained to the bed and had a 24 hr. guard posted :silenced:
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I'm so sorry to hear about your son.
 
seagull65 said:
That is an interesting thought. I've often wondered what could make her "snap out of" her haze/daze. For example, have the defense confronted her at all, how much have they shown her, have they shown her photos (do they even have remains photos for example, if so, have they shown them to Casey? Has she been confronted with the reality yet of what happened?) I have had the feeling all along that if she were confronted enough, she might finally be able to snap out of her la-la land. Fingers crossed.
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I really do think it will have a larger emotional/psychological impact on her than the physical injuries. It may help her face reality by underlining her precarious position. Might scare her right into reality. I can only hope.
 
Star12 said:
I feel bad for KC getting hurt. It could have just been a misstep - can't be easy to walk in shackles. Regardless, KC still is a human being, and I don't like to see anyone get hurt.

I doubt they would provide any cosmetic dentistry, but they probably would, in some way take care of any damage to an exposed nerve or more extensive damage.
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My bro is a peace officer in an LA court. This happened to him once, and since the prisoner fell and lost quite a few teeth, the county paid for it. I doubt JB is gonna let KC come to court with a chipped tooth. I can pretty much guarantee it.

MOO

Mel
 
Chipped tooth - can those be repaired with Henkle duct tape? It's heat rated - so she could drink coffee . . . . . . . (ok - just a little levity). Actually, it sounds quite painful - and I bet it is going to be pretty sore for a few days. Wonder if kc got her shackles twisted when she turned around in the elevator to face the door (you know - the unwritten elevator etiquette).
 
jon_burrows said:
When you look back and see what happens to every single person who has ever tried to help the A family, they get burned. I wonder if the guards stood still and didn't touch her for fear of being blamed for pushing her or somehow causing the fall.

Compared to what Caylee went through, this is nothing.

IMO
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Good thinking, and if they did stand still, I certainly wouldn't blame them.

Casey, unlike the option she allowed for her baby daughter, will live through this.

It isn't like she fell off the top of the courthouse.
 
jon_burrows said:
When you look back and see what happens to every single person who has ever tried to help the A family, they get burned. I wonder if the guards stood still and didn't touch her for fear of being blamed for pushing her or somehow causing the fall.

Compared to what Caylee went through, this is nothing.

IMO
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My response in red:

seagull65 said:
I would think guards receive very specific directions and training about handling inmates while shackled to prevent falls, they know they have to prevent a fall, it's such a liability/responsibility. I would think they'd be horrified if they didn't manage to catch the person they were transporting before they got hurt. But I don't know for sure what the training and procedures are, etc
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I was talking about Casey, not just any inmate. The A family has a habit of turning on everyone that tries to help them. The guards may be more leery of Casey than other inmates because of her past as well as her family.

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I don't understand comparing what Caylee went through to an injury to Casey. Casey could be innocent for one thing.....
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Just a difference of opinion. I don't believe Casey is innocent. I believe Caylee was killed exactly how Ashton described the murder...one row of duct tape after another until there was no way Caylee could breath, then she simply waited and let nature take its course. So, having a toddler with several layers of duct tape over her mouth/nose until she suffocates is much worse than falling and getting a busted lip. A busted lip and cracked tooth can be fixed (no biggie). Caylee's injuries are forever. She lost her life. It's Casey's fault she's in this situation so she may as well get used to the shackles. Maybe she can request a wheel chair if she's having trouble walking.

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IMO
 
I just had a thought about this.

I remember having a car accident ....because I didn't want to go where I was going! I was around KC's age when this happened. I was upset and looking back, I believe I caused the accident subliminally. I'd been driving for enough years and there was no reason to go through a red light--but that's what I did. KC's been managing her shackles pretty well up to today--I do wonder if she tripped over her own self "subliminally". (Of course, doubting strongly that she would have/could have forecast causing harm to what she thinks of as a major asset).

Another thing--hasn't CA really been amazingly different lately? In "the old days" she would have treated us to a livid diatribe over this!
 
LolaMoon08 said:
I would think that inmates chipping teeth (even losing teeth) would be an almost every day thing if not an every day thing if you think about all the fights that happen and that doesn't include those inmates with already decaying teeth chipping a tooth while eating.

I wish we had a corrections officer who could help us understand what happens when an inmate chips a tooth? How much dental work are they provided?
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I haven't done Corrections in awhile, but as a guide:

Every state, county and facility is different. Were I worked, they had a Nurse(RN) on staff every day and a "Contracted" Doctor who would report in approx 2 days per week. Eval and assign meds, define conditions and/or restrictions. It was basic medical care. Anything other than that, the inmate was brought to the appropriate facility to attend to the condition that was presented.

If it was "minor", the inmate was shackled and handcuffed and escorted by atleast two CO's in a regular police car. If it was more serious, an ambulance was called and one CO would ride in the ambulance and the second would follow the ambulance in a marked police vehicle.

Again it depends on the circumstance...sometimes and entire SWAT team would do the escort depending on the "value" of the inmate...some are more violent/high profile then others. FWIW...I don't believe KC would require a SWAT team. It may sound like an oxymoron but she is not dangerous/violent enough to warrant that type of escort even if she is an accused killer.

Again...ever place is different. This was just my experience.

Just to add...in the event an inmate was admitted into a hospital for care...they are not released into the custody of hospital staff. The police/sheriff agency would maintain 24/7 prisoner security.
 
Is it sad that Casey fell today? In a way yes. Anytime a person does a face plant it is painful, not to mention embarressing when other people are around. Is it kind of funny that this happened to Casey? Not really in a bust a gut rolling around on the floor with tears streaming down your face funny (IMO). However it is a karma came back around and bit her in the arse kind of funny - at least for me it is.

Casey is a convicted felon who has been charged with murdering her child. She is no one special and the same rules apply to her that all other inmates must live with. I expect to see the defense file a motion asking for Casey to be allowed to have her shackles removed so that this won't happen again. I also expect to see Judge Perry promptly deny that motion.

Casey would never have been in that courthouse, in those shackles, falling on her face if she had made better life decisions. Sure, she may not have killed Caylee....after all the trial hasn't happened yet and she is presummed innocent until proven guilty. However there are other charges against her that she is guilty of and that she will still be punished for. Some of those charges she has already admitted to.

So if some laugh because she took a face dive and some make snarky comments about that face dive, she really has no one to blame but herself. She put herself in the situation where falling on her face was (and still could be) a possibility.

MOO
 
My 1st thought was that she got her way again. IF she chipped a tooth, I'm sure that was an unfortunate accident that occured when she attempted to fake a fall to get out of her hearing.

When Judge Perry ordered her to attend hearings, and the wording used by her attorneys, I KNEW she would not attend for some reason. I thought fake illness, but she went with injury.

JMO
 
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