GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

Insp.Dots said:

BBM According to this yes they do! (From this afternoon)

The crown must prove that Matthews:
Unlawfully
Killed
Becky
Intending to kill, or intending to cause her grievous bodily harm
Whether Shauna Hoare is guilty of murder or manslaughter or none. The crown must prove that:
That Hoare participated in the kidnapping of Becky Watts intending that she should be killed or come to serious bodily harm to overcome her resistance.
In the course of the attack Matthews suffocated or strangled Becky while intending to kill her or cause her really serious bodily harm.
OR if Hoare participated in the kidnap of Becky, and reasonably believed that some harm might be caused to her this is manslaughter.

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Clio said:

Hi Legal & Welcome,

BIB If they did try to assault Becky in her own home, and there was therefore no joint kidnap plan at all, how do you see this fitting with the charges and judges instructions? Just curious to have your view on it, if you don't mind me asking. TIA

http://www.itv.com/news/west/2015-11-09/becky-watts-trial-what-the-jury-must-decide/
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...each-verdict-without-emotion?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Tealgrove said:

Do you think that we are privy to all the evidence? I just get the feeling that things were presented in court and that it was not reported in MSM. Is that possible?

I am used to the Canadian and American trials wherein there may be a publication ban prior to going to trial but once the trial gets going we know the whole deal and I just get the feeling that we are missing things.

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CoverMeCagney said:

I must have entirely missed the statements from LO. And she was at a boy friends house overnight the night before? I had thought she was at Courtneys.

Please can someone elaborate?!

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Another friend, at whose house Becky stayed on the night before she is believed to have died, said she was looking forward to seeing her boyfriend when she went home.

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Cherwell said:

Yes, it's more than possible. It's quite common for reporting restrictions to be placed on matters that are sensitive in some way. A lot (though not necessarily all) is usually revealed after the conclusion of the case.

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YidArmyRach said:

I wonder if any of them, before being told that, had tried to make a cigarette last for 22 - 25 minutes, to see if it is possible.

I'm actually surprised the defence hadn't already tried to fit someone into that suitcase - to show either how difficult it would be, or impossible. When there was the investigation into the "spy in the holdall" case, I'm sure that was recreated (by that I mean - didn't a lady demonstrate that it was possible to lock herself into the bag?).

I would have like NM to have proven in court that he could lift a 9 stone suitcase and carry it some distance, lift it up and even take it down some stairs. I'd have like to have seen him use the saw single handedly with such precision too.

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jessie said:

Well, he wouldn't last 2 minutes on WS then. :laughing:

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Legal said:

that's interesting, thank you! possibly not constructive manslaughter then. The intention to kill or cause GBH is what's required for a murder charge.

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