NY-LI-4 bodies on Beach-Possible SK-12/10-All id'd,4 more found 3/11 #3

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Secret77 said:
I can imagine that if i was a "John" and i told working girls that i was a successful doctor, it would probably provide instant trust.
When doing my own profiling, with the little info we have, i believe that the LI victims knew their killer before hand and trusted him, which is why they were willing to hop into his car or go with him, no questions asked, without telling anyone.
As it was said before, the LI victims weren't the type of girls that stood around in corners, which is why it made me doubt about the AC connection.

A quick study of the most prolific SK's like Henry Lee Lucas shows that traveling offers the best chances of not being caught.

Then again, we could be reading too much into it, maybe he is someone who just gets bored in one place, likes to live well and party.
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I also am beginning to believe that the victims knew their killer beforehand and trusted him. Maybe a previous customer?

svpernin posted a link to some 'review' sites where the johns review the escorts. (some of the reviews were on the missing women) I feel like there must be some clues there. I just haven't had any alone time to do any serious sleuthing lately.

(My biz has picked up and my daughter just moved back in after a failed marriage....it's been hectic here lately!) Sorry everyone for being off topic.

wm
 
chemcopout said:
ny post today's paper says they have a suspect yet they aren't naming him of course.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cops_li_killer_is_in_our_sights_TPxYTqoOO6yAXXJbTQT1SN
"Police believe they know the identity of the Long Island Ripper, The Post has learned.

Cops on Long Island are "looking at somebody," said a law-enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation.

He refused to elaborate."




http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20052096-504083.html


imo jb and the driver look shady. the search narrowed to jb's backyard practicly. they sure have their cards to their chest.
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Thanks Chemcopout, The timing of that announcement today is interesting with LE's letting the public know the investigation will branch out to Nassau on Monday.

Could they be sending a message to the perp that not much will be done in the case till Monday and hope over the weekend the perp does something that will trip him up? The person has to be on 24 hour surveillance and I'm wondering if they are nervous or taking it in stride? Peeking out their windows looking for undercover cops?

What a case, eh? I hope something big happens over the weekend. What's the weather like?
 
isn't it a very meth-ie thing to believe that there are men or people in the bushes who are trying to get you?

I have heard of this kind of thing more with meth than with coke...I am sure if you r bi-polar you can have a range of experiences on a stimulant...

it's difficult to imagine that she was paranoid and delusional ...found her way somewhere else and actually became a victim of an unknown predator ( aside from the fictional predator she called cops about.

boy o boy. this is as confounding as the McStay case.
 
MrsG728 said:
That's right, Scandi. It is referred to as OBI still today, as if the inn were still there.
That's where all of the wonderful police and firefighter volunteers and their equipment have been camped out.

Media, too. :/
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Thanks again, as you were the one who posted it's where the Inn was LOL

I read last night that when the Inn closed it was bad timing and the public was very sad to see it go.
 
Everything says we are missing a Big part of this picture. It is otherwise very simple. the odds of SG freakin out scared for her life calling the police because someones trying to kill me and 8 dead bodies within a stones throw and a coincidence are extreamly high.
 
RIGHTEOUS1 said:
I am in 100 percent agreement with the first part but lets flip it, your scared of something or someone you go with what you know what's safe the way you got where you are, that's the Driver. There is no reason other then Chemical, Drugs or Mental that would scare you away from what you know to be safe. So what does that leave us with? Either someone is not telling the truth, we don't know the truth that's really it. Nothing else can explain why she would not leave with the person she came with. IMO
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Shock ,could have scared her to wear she wouldnt think she was safe anywhere. She might have been scared to go outside. Add shock into being messed up on a drug and we dont know what kinda responce she would have.

People in shock often run away from rescue personal ,head injury will cause unpredictable behaviour. They think they are thinking logicl but they arent.

Has it been said Shannon was injured?
 
minazoe said:
isn't it a very meth-ie thing to believe that there are men or people in the bushes who are trying to get you?

I have heard of this kind of thing more with meth than with coke...I am sure if you r bi-polar you can have a range of experiences on a stimulant...

it's difficult to imagine that she was paranoid and delusional ...found her way somewhere else and actually became a victim of an unknown predator ( aside from the fictional predator she called cops about.

boy o boy. this is as confounding as the McStay case.
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Yes or Coke but a girl who has been around the Block has a very strong constitution. she has to. To do what a Escort does takes, let's say Balls.
now that i think about it Maybe Acid would give Her a bad trip, but she's not going to take that if she's not used to it.
 
scandi said:
Thanks again, as you were the one who posted it's where the Inn was LOL

I read last night that when the Inn closed it was bad timing and the public was very sad to see it go.
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I posted the video to the song about the Ocean beach Inn. It was a song that reflects the publics sorrow over the closure or rather relocation to um... Flordia (??:doh:)
 
minazoe said:
isn't it a very meth-ie thing to believe that there are men or people in the bushes who are trying to get you?

I have heard of this kind of thing more with meth than with coke...I am sure if you r bi-polar you can have a range of experiences on a stimulant...

it's difficult to imagine that she was paranoid and delusional ...found her way somewhere else and actually became a victim of an unknown predator ( aside from the fictional predator she called cops about.

boy o boy. this is as confounding as the McStay case.
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I've been trying to visualize where she would go in heading towards the bushes and how far she could run.

One thing is it was light outside that day and at that time of the morning. She didn't have to stumble around in the dark.

She did hide behind a boat and lost an earring and her jacket at some point. I think that as she struggled to get away from him she lost those items and the perp didn't realize it at the time. And the moment of her being grabbed is caught at the end of the last 911 call she made, right?

Did anyone read her earring was found on a road? IMO
 
Soulmagent said:
I posted the video to the song about the Ocean beach Inn. It was a song that reflects the publics sorrow over the closure or rather relocation to um... Flordia (??:doh:)
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Oh dang, I missed that ;{
 
I wish we knew if they were able to find anything on Akeem Cruz's laptop... but I'm sure they won't release that info. to the public as they aren't revealing anything except for an ever-increasing body count. Sorry, I'm getting a bit frustrated because it seems like all we have are more questions now. I can't imagine what the families are going through.
 
Soulmagent said:
Shock ,could have scared her to wear she wouldnt think she was safe anywhere. She might have been scared to go outside. Add shock into being messed up on a drug and we dont know what kinda responce she would have.

People in shock often run away from rescue personal ,head injury will cause unpredictable behaviour. They think they are thinking logicl but they arent.

Has it been said Shannon was injured?
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Medical Shock for sure. But she would not be able to call 911. It would be nice to hear those 911 calls. All of them!
thats another thing not to many Call girls want to call 911 they handle it themselfs they don't want 911 there unless they are in a Life and Death situation.
 
If SG came out of JB's house and went to GC's house, then she ran to her left after leaving JB's. Here is a map - they literally lived right next door to each other. I am not sure where GC would have witnessed her hiding behind a boat.

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&daddr=10+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY&geocode=FbgebAIdcc6h-yl_d1jOdtLpiTFaP2aZ_uNpNw%3BFfEebAIdH9Gh-ymf57TcdtLpiTHaIyNoFh8Q8g&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=40.640184,-73.281935&sspn=0.006366,0.013797&ie=UTF8&ll=40.639761,-73.281137&spn=0.001592,0.003449&t=h&z=18"]8 The Fairway, Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, NY 11702 to 10 The Fairway, Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, NY 11702 - Google Maps[/ame]
 
RIGHTEOUS1 said:
Medical Shock for sure. But she would not be able to call 911. It would be nice to hear those 911 calls. All of them!
thats another thing not to many Call girls want to call 911 they handle it themselfs they don't want 911 there unless they are in a Life and Death situation.
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I swear I read that her family have not even heard the 911 tapes. Is that right? I find that so strange....it seems like something they would have let the family hear to see if they thought she seemed under the influence or if there was anything she may have said that would stick out to them since they know her...

jmo
 
I have to log off and cook dinner and other real life stuff, but before I do, I want to mention something that bothers me.

The only witness recount we have of Shannan's behavior that evening is from the john and the driver. Shannan obviously cannot speak for herself regarding that evening so who's to say that their story is legit? Maybe the john (JB) was the one freaking out and Shannan fled for her safety. Perhaps he wanted her to do things she wasn't comfortable doing or maybe she realized she had been drugged and wanted outa there. The point is that we have only heard one side of the story.

It is not out of my realm of reasoning that 'he' got it together enough to talk with LE in a reasonable manner to cover his tracks. We are talking about a methodical serial killer here, after all.

See you all later. wm
 
Reannan said:
If SG came out of JB's house and went to GC's house, then she ran to her left after leaving JB's. Here is a map - they literally lived right next door to each other. I am not sure where GC would have witnessed her hiding behind a boat.

8 The Fairway, Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, NY 11702 to 10 The Fairway, Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, NY 11702 - Google Maps
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Gus lived at 17 fairway and John lived at 8 fairway. There was at one time some confusion over the house images but it was my understanding that they lives across the street from eachother.

even numbers on one side and odd on the other farther supports this. I also have a tiny photo posted on the threads somewhere that shows both homes.
This link will back track you faster though the thread.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5913064&postcount=259"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5913064&postcount=259[/ame]
 
One thing to do is look into who lives in these Houses. maybe a Son a Grandson etc.. We don't know who else lives in one of those Houses.
 
Soulmagent said:
Gus lived at 17 fairway and John lived at 8 fairway. There was at one time some confusion over the house images but it was my understanding that they lives across the street from eachother.

even numbers on one side and odd on the other farther supports this. I also have a tiny photo posted on the threads somewhere that shows both homes.
This link will back track you faster though the thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5913064&postcount=259
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You are SO right!!!! I had several addresses from people we have read about and number 10 came up. Here is a link to where we know Shannon ran that night... It was actually 5 houses down to her left, and right across the road from the individual mentioned on FB that we are not supposed to discuss. Corrected map is here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&daddr=17+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY&geocode=FbgebAIdcc6h-yl_d1jOdtLpiTFaP2aZ_uNpNw%3BFbQfbAIdDduh-yn3oVpNdtLpiTEg6zmMeo1vMw&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=40.639761,-73.281137&sspn=0.001592,0.003449&ie=UTF8&ll=40.640018,-73.280407&spn=0.003183,0.006899&t=h&z=17
 
A new attempt to post the map to where we know for a FACT (so important!!!) that Shannon ran that night.

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=8+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY+11702&daddr=17+The+Fairway,+Gilgo-Oak+Beach-Captree,+NY&geocode=FbgebAIdcc6h-yl_d1jOdtLpiTFaP2aZ_uNpNw%3BFbQfbAIdDduh-yn3oVpNdtLpiTEg6zmMeo1vMw&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=40.639761,-73.281137&sspn=0.001592,0.003449&ie=UTF8&ll=40.640018,-73.280407&spn=0.003183,0.006899&t=h&z=17"]8 The Fairway, Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, NY 11702 to 17 The Fairway, Gilgo-Oak Beach-Captree, NY 11702 - Google Maps[/ame]
 
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