Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #11

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/12/authorities_say_missing_woman.html
Authorities say missing woman was on her way to shop at Destiny USA
Syracuse, NY – Authorities are looking for a Chenango County woman who has been missing since Tuesday when she told her husband she was driving to Syracuse to shop at Destiny USA.
She was driving a maroon 2006 Chrysler Town and Country minivan with a New York license plate of EFA1962.
Deputies said Ramsaran may have changed her hair color and style before she left. Her cell phone was found Wednesday on State Route 23 in the Town of Plymouth.
Deputies ask that anyone with information about Ramsaran call them at 607-334-2000 and push option 1.

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Rest in Peace Jennifer. Our prayers and thoughts go out to Jennifer's family and friends. She was loved and will be missed by many.

Today, 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by momrids6


vocabulary words of the day


incompetence:

lack of physical or intellectual ability or qualifications

lacking the power to perform

deflection:

a turning aside (of your course or attention or concern);

any diversion intended to distract attention from the main issue

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"The truth comes out...it always does."

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motto:

got none, want none, go away

SouthAussie said:

motto:

got none, want none, go away

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integrity: got none, want none, go away

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So...Jen's body was left on Center Road, the same road where the trail head to Plymouth Loop -- a popular trail for those who enjoy vigorous outdoor exercise -- is located.

Question for locals: is the trail head parking lot paved...or is it just grass? (grass that could have gotten caught in a wheel?)

And...Plymouth Loop trailhead is just 1/2 mile from One Eye Street, where Tom Francisco's body was found. A location that would be familiar to those who frequent Plymouth Loop (or even drive or run regularly down that section of 23).

And...Jen's van was found at Plank Road Manor -- the site of a shooting a few years ago
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...ollowing-leads-in-apartment-complex-shooting/

Seems like someone disposed of the body and van in two locations associated with murder and violence. As if trying to deflect attention.

Someone, of course, quite familiar with the area. Someone who had read the news stories. Or heard local gossip.

Quote of the Day:

It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop.
Confucius

Abigail said:

So...Jen's body was left on Center Road, the same road where the trail head to Plymouth Loop -- a popular trail for those who enjoy vigorous outdoor exercise -- is located.

Question for locals: is the trail head parking lot paved...or is it just grass? (grass that could have gotten caught in a wheel?)

And...Plymouth Loop trailhead is just 1/2 mile from One Eye Street, where Tom Francisco's body was found. A location that would be familiar to those who frequent Plymouth Loop (or even drive or run regularly down that section of 23).

And...Jen's van was found at Plank Road Manor -- the site of a shooting a few years ago
http://www.evesun.com/news/stories/...ollowing-leads-in-apartment-complex-shooting/

Seems like someone disposed of the body and van in two locations associated with murder and violence. As if trying to deflect attention.

Someone, of course, quite familiar with the area. Someone who had read the news stories. Or heard local gossip.

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And with Jen’s phone being discovered in a spot where locals are very aware that there is either no service or intermittent service, it seems that local knowledge was also behind the placement/discovery of her phone.

So .. local knowledge behind placement of all the items of value in this case … Jen, her van, her phone.

Jen also left her rings and perhaps other jewellery of value at home that day.

But Jen’s clothes had no real monetary value, and funnily enough they are apparently the only thing still unaccounted for ......

(except for the $500 that GR says Jen had, of course.)

BearAngel said:

To be quite honest, I am angry and disappointed, that LE has chosen to not use the many resources, that they have available to them, in this day of so much technology.:twocents:

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I just wanted to reply to the above snippet from BearAngel's post towards the end of previous thread.

Just a thought but perhaps LE is not utilising all resources, especially media, so they can keep one particular person completely in the dark. Sure it would be nice to know where they're at in the investigation but it would also mean her killer would know as well.

As it is now, the way I see it, & I think we can all take a certain amount of satisfaction from it... the arrest may not happen today, tomorrow, next week or next month, but while her killer is in "the dark", he'd be constantly waiting & sweating on that knock on the door from LE. Jennifer's killer will never know peace.

SouthAussie said:

A few of us have noted the remarkable similarities between Jennifer's case and Aussie Allison Baden Clay's case .. a whole long list of things that are so similar, (possibly including no definite COD).

But the one big difference here is that Gerard Baden Clay was arrested for the murder of his wife, based on strong circumstantial evidence, 8 weeks after the murder. We then waited months and months for all the forensic testings to be finalised before the case could proceed.

No-one has been arrested for Jennifer's murder based on strong circumstantial evidence, and while forensics are finalised. It has been 18 weeks !!

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Above post is also from end of previous thread...

In Allison's case, police had planned an arrest on two other occasions prior to the day he was arrested but they held off while they gathered further evidence. They had him exactly where they wanted him. And I think this could be quite similar with Jennifer's killer...

LE have him right where they want him while they get all their ducks in a row & he has no escape from that knock on the door.

marlywings said:

I just wanted to reply to the above snippet from BearAngel's post towards the end of previous thread.

Just a thought but perhaps LE is not utilising all resources, especially media, so they can keep one particular person completely in the dark. Sure it would be nice to know where they're at in the investigation but it would also mean her killer would know as well.

As it is now, the way I see it, & I think we can all take a certain amount of satisfaction from it... the arrest may not happen today, tomorrow, next week or next month, but while her killer is in "the dark", he'd be constantly waiting & sweating on that knock on the door from LE. Jennifer's killer will never know peace.

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marlywings, four months without a media update by CCSO/Sheriff Cutter, coupled with the misinformation provided to the public initially in the JR investigation indicates the lack of a coherent media management strategy and profesionalism, imo.

The public is a very valuable investigative resource to squander. Silence by investigators
only causes innocent lives lost and mounting cold cases, imo..

Foxfire said:

marlywings, four months without a media update by CCSO/Sheriff Cutter, coupled with the misinformation provided to the public initially in the JR investigation indicates the lack of a coherent media management strategy and profesionalism, imo.

The public is a very valuable investigative resource to squander. Silence by investigators
only causes innocent lives lost and mounting cold cases, imo..

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Their silence may very well be for a good reason. Again, in Allison's case, we heard very little from police. On the day her body was found police held a news conference to say it was a homicide investigation...then that was it until the day of the arrest. There were a couple of reports about her accused killer's affairs...but every man & his dog were already aware of those.

SouthAussie said:

And with Jen’s phone being discovered in a spot where locals are very aware that there is either no service or intermittent service, it seems that local knowledge was also behind the placement/discovery of her phone.

So .. local knowledge behind placement of all the items of value in this case … Jen, her van, her phone.

Jen also left her rings and perhaps other jewellery of value at home that day.

But Jen’s clothes had no real monetary value, and funnily enough they are apparently the only thing still unaccounted for ......

(except for the $500 that GR says Jen had, of course.)

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That's an excellent point about the rings, and perhaps other valuable jewelry left at home. In the photos, it appears that Jenn wore simple, but quality jewelry -- the same two necklaces feature in almost all her photos.

thank you for the new thread ima!

marlywings said:

Their silence may very well be for a good reason. Again, in Allison's case, we heard very little from police. On the day her body was found police held a news conference to say it was a homicide investigation...then that was it until the day of the arrest. There were a couple of reports about her accused killer's affairs...but every man & his dog were already aware of those.

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18 weeks and LE have still not declared that Jen's case is a homicide investigation ....

I remember thinking/hoping that thread #7 would be the lucky thread that would title "ARREST!"

I know things seem to be slowing down and quiet, myself included. I really hope that there is an arrest sooner than later. I know we all are frustrated.

I'm not sure as to why it's taking so long but am looking forward to when we can all sit back and take a big deep breath.

I don't have a lot to add as I feel that I've sleuthed as much as possible regarding this case but don't want to disappear! Still here for Jennifer -

Foxfire said:

marlywings, four months without a media update by CCSO/Sheriff Cutter, coupled with the misinformation provided to the public initially in the JR investigation indicates the lack of a coherent media management strategy and profesionalism, imo.

The public is a very valuable investigative resource to squander. Silence by investigators
only causes innocent lives lost and mounting cold cases, imo..

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Agreed. The few public statements by local law enforcement have discouraged searches (cell phone, car, remains were all found by others - not CCSO); fueled incorrect speculation that Jennifer ran off (the odd reference to changing hair color) and caused confusion (red van? orange van?).

It may be that CCSO is conducting a competent investigation that will end in the arrest of the person who killed Jennifer. We all hope for that. But judging from the information that's available to the public, there's no reason for an excess of confidence. Family, friends and others who want justice for Jennifer should continue to focus on the case and demand answers. Public attention is the best guarantee that this doesn't turn into a cold case.

marlywings said:

Their silence may very well be for a good reason. Again, in Allison's case, we heard very little from police. On the day her body was found police held a news conference to say it was a homicide investigation...then that was it until the day of the arrest. There were a couple of reports about her accused killer's affairs...but every man & his dog were already aware of those.

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Yes, marlywings, in the Mickey Shunick case(LA). The LPD was silent initially, but then released vehicle descriptions to the public via MSM & conducted regular media updates to keep the community/public informed.

Mickey Shunick was randomly abducted by a stranger sexual predator; the most difficult cases to solve. Yet within 90 days from abduction to identification, arrest, indictment, conviction, and sentencing. Her case was solved due to excellent police work, an effective media management strategy, combined with the public's tips due to the awareness which was created..

Abigail said:

That's an excellent point about the rings, and perhaps other valuable jewelry left at home. In the photos, it appears that Jenn wore simple, but quality jewelry -- the same two necklaces feature in almost all her photos.

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IMO, the rings being left home are a telling piece of evidence. I dont think any woman would deliberately leave her rings at home even if she was planning on leaving someone. I would say the rings were removed from her finger after death and either left home or brought back home to make it look like she just ran off! Those rings could have been checked for fingerprints to tell if someone other than her had handled them! Did LE think to do this? Lots of little telltale things of evidence that im not sure was even thought of in this case! Even if Jenn were going to meet someone she had met online, she would have left her rings on and just taken them off and put them in her purse, it seems to me!