AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #15

liz b. said:

So, SC and RC are what,heavy into drug use ? Were drugs,or drug paraphanalia found in their home ? Or are they on the distribution end ? And Sergio does drug runs between cleaning teeth and singing arias ?

It's just baffling...MOO

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spoiledmom said:

Golly Gee, this is old news. It was posted on here shortly after she went missing. It was the uncle or cousin that lived with them. Does anyone know if the link is still available? I will look.

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Anita Richman said:

Regarding the questions of why Isa might be wearing shorts and tank top instead of her pajamas:

My little princess Richman has a large selection of sleepwear. She has princess long nightgowns, princess shortie nightgowns, long pants and top pajamas, short pants and top pajamas.

What does she often choose to sleep in? A pair of soccer shorts and an old (super soft) tshirt of mine.

I don't think there is anything nefarious in her choice of sleepwear for the night she was abducted. Kids are kids and six years old is old enough for her to have formed her own ideas of "fashion and comfort".:moo:

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spoiledmom said:

Golly Gee, this is old news. It was posted on here shortly after she went missing. It was the uncle or cousin that lived with them. Does anyone know if the link is still available? I will look.

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Prof said:

That is not SC's brother.
He is RC's cousin on her mother's side.
He had a DUI in Douglas. Her side is from Douglas.
He also had a DUI in Tucson, and in FL.

What link are you looking for?
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx

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azwildcat said:

I remember in high school a friend of mine gave me a very stern talking to about driving through South Tucson, I was to never go there alone or get out of my car. I always found it sort of silly because I never felt unsafe there. But then I lived near a not so desirable part of town and didn't feel unsafe there either. But now I'm missing one of the best places to get a raspado (not South Tucson, but on 12th). Ahh joys of being pregnant and not in the area. Well, this was a nice OT rant for me today. :seeya:

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LisaB said:

I assumed from her brother's statement to the 911 operator that she wears pajamas when she sleeps. It was the one question he answered quickly. He had to think harder to come up with the color and made it clear he really did not know but was guessing. He had problems with some other questions, but when asked what she had on he immediately said "pajamas" and when asked the color, his answer was consistent with "typical" girl pajama colors.

I don't mean to say no kid ever has slept in clothing, but that this does not seem to be the norm for Isabel. I assume that, as a general rule, she wears pajamas. The only reason I'd expect her to be in something else was if she had donned her baseball uniform to save time later, but that isn't what she is described as wearing.

Sergio described the clothing she had on before her shower, and when Becky got there she corrected only the top.

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azwildcat said:

I remember in high school a friend of mine gave me a very stern talking to about driving through South Tucson, I was to never go there alone or get out of my car. I always found it sort of silly because I never felt unsafe there. But then I lived near a not so desirable part of town and didn't feel unsafe there either. But now I'm missing one of the best places to get a raspado (not South Tucson, but on 12th). Ahh joys of being pregnant and not in the area. Well, this was a nice OT rant for me today. :seeya:

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thefragile7393 said:

12th Ave is southside, may be part of south Tucson. lets not forget that there are parts of Oracle and Grant roads that are rife with drugs and prostitution (No-Tel Motel anyone?) that people forget about....neither area is paticularly safe and is far from South Tucson lol. This side gets alllll the bad news though. I always laughed when people's eyes bugged out when I told them where I live. You are so right AZWildcat, the raspados over here are awesome! Some of the best restaurants are over here too...Guero Canelo, BK's, Littlw Mexico....nom.

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winterrose said:

Is RC's maiden name Snyder or is this her second marriage? I saw Snyder on veromi and whitepages as RC's former name.

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Donjeta said:

The thought makes it seem more incongruous imo that he chuckled when he was talking about calling Becky. Because for most parents that would have been the hope against all hope that the other parent had their daughter and to have her tell him no would have been a disappointment and that phone call would have made him more scared, more anxious, more upset, and not a humorous thought.

He could have been awake when RC left and already have known that she didn't take Isabel with her?

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FrayedKnot said:

Okay, I am waaaay behind and have a couple more pages to catch up, but.....

I will preface this by saying I am not married to this theory, but I find it has merit and I am currently doing some digging to verify family relationships.

The Fast and Furious theory is not related to drug cartels. It was a botched US sting and it is believed that several gun runners who were caught became informants.

There is a possible familial connection between SC and a few of the higher profile people currently awaiting trial.

The Monday after Isa went missing, two of the defendants changed their pleas from "guilty" to "not guilty".

I think it is plausible that if Sergio was indeed part of this gun cartel and turned informant on his own family (possibly), then Isa may be being held pending Sergio's 'revised' testimony. I found it awfully strange the timing of the plea change and adding that with possible family ties, odd (IMO) behavior and the NCO, make me think LE also knows of Sergio's involvement and that was the catalyst for contacting CPS.

In summary, I do not think this is drug, or drug cartel related, nor do I think Isa was taken as payment for a debt.

I sort of feel like the people who are pooh pooing the cartel thing are stuck on one scenario of SC getting in debt to some drug kingpin. Yet many of us who are looking into a 'cartel' scenario for merit are looking at a completely different set of possibilities.

Again, it's all MOO, and only one theory I am entertaining but I wanted to make sure everyone understood what exactly the Fast and Furious scenario entailed.

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Anita Richman said:

I think you're mixing the two stories, MCK. The tape close to the Celis home was of people walking by, on a day the police now say wasn't the day of the abduction. The surveillance tape of the young man in the Circle K is the one that may have the perp in the "Snyder Case".

They have not said how he got into the house, but they did say the front door may have been left open.

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jennapuppy said:

US marshalls are working with Mexican law enforcement to search for her in Mexico, as well. This has been widely reported and there are several links in MSM.

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thefragile7393 said:

12th Ave is southside, may be part of south Tucson. lets not forget that there are parts of Oracle and Grant roads that are rife with drugs and prostitution (No-Tel Motel anyone?) that people forget about....neither area is paticularly safe and is far from South Tucson lol. This side gets alllll the bad news though. I always laughed when people's eyes bugged out when I told them where I live. You are so right AZWildcat, the raspados over here are awesome! Some of the best restaurants are over here too...Guero Canelo, BK's, Littlw Mexico....nom.

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Anita Richman said:

I get what you're saying. I suppose my point was (which I never got to, in my post), is that we refer to whatever my kids wear at bedtime as their "pjs". If I tell her to get her pjs on, she may come down wearing the shorts and tshirt. Possibly the Celis family is the same.

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Madeleine74 said:

There are thousands of cases that have been solved though. There is certainly a lot of data out there about child abductions, matricide/patricide, and all different kinds of crimes. We know the FBI and other organizations gather statistical information and behavioral profiles from prior cases, and in order for them to do so there would have to be at least thousands of cases that have been resolved to make the information statistically-relevant.

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cluciano63 said:

Seems like all of the media is taking LE out of context, IMO...as far as listening to the PC, what I got from it is that the only thing LE can rule out is Isabel leaving on her own. Anything else would naturally involve Isabel being taking out by an adult. LE specifically indicated in this same PC that the parents are NOT ruled out.

JMO

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cluciano63 said:

Seems like all of the media is taking LE out of context, IMO...as far as listening to the PC, what I got from it is that the only thing LE can rule out is Isabel leaving on her own. Anything else would naturally involve Isabel being taking out by an adult. LE specifically indicated in this same PC that the parents are NOT ruled out.

JMO

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