17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #24

MaryAnn said:

I truly think that if GZ really did have his head slammed to the concrete like he is saying, LE would have taken pics when they showed up. Those pics would have already been leaked all over the internet. Since there aren't any pics how can he prove that he really did have a broken nose that miraculously healed within minutes along with the gashes on the back of his head that also healed immediately. His mug shot does not show a broken nose to me! I could be wrong. Plus if his head was slammed to the concrete he would at the least have a concussion and would have been taken to the hospital. Why would LE take a chance of him dieing from a head wound? They even took Melissa Gilbert to the hospital for her little head bump on DWTS. Isn't it normal protocal to go to the hospital for a head injury like that? Just sayin.... I don't think he had any injuries besides his wet jacket!!

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Isabelle said:

I think we can be sure that if GZ had the injuries he claimed to have there would have been pictures taken by LE. On his release, GZ would have had someone take pics or would have taken his own. By now, those pics would be all over the world! No doubt.

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JeannaT said:

He wasn't making rounds, he was on his way to Target.

Does Crimewatch specifically state that they require everyone associated with their program to not hold CWP, and not carry a weapon ever?

I'm sure not.

This is a bit off topic, but interesting. I'm a crime watch captain for my neighborhood, and my brother's neighborhood is considering starting a crime watch program. The LE representative who spoke to his Neighborhood Association said when you assign your captains, don't take the first person who busts through the door anxious to be captain. Choose your captains from long standing residents who have a gift for getting along with people. This was just before this case broke. I would guess that advice would have been helpful in the Sanford case.

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Cher352 said:

I watched one of the PC by the city of Sanford where they did state they had a copy of the hospital report where GZ went after he was released from custody.

Would loved to know what was on that report!!
And...Why couldn't that have been one of the items leaked?

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2goldfish said:

I probably would. why? because WHY would I want this crazy stalkin' @ss person to know WHERE I LIVE!? (I dont presume to know what trayvon's thoughts were but those might be mine)

although this is presuming I have seen no firearm. in that case I'd be running my tail off zigzagging all over the place like that centipede game I used to play at the arcade in like...1986.

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jjenny said:

California is different from Florida. Because of SYG in Florida, the burden will be on the prosecution.

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JeannaT said:

Because he's afraid. He's afraid for his own safety, and has a bit of a hero complex and wants to be the one in the store that saves the day if some nutjob comes into Target and starts shooting up the citizenry.

That's the type of person who has a CWP. That's how they view the world, and themselves.

(Note: there are people with CWPs who have incredibly dangerous jobs or have to work in very very dangerous areas, and they are exempt from the above characterization of urban guys with CWPs.)

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RANCH said:

That's why people get a CCW permit. So they can legally carry a gun in public.

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RANCH said:

BBM
How do we know exactly what Trayvons girlfriend heard that night. I'm not saying that she's lying about what she heard but would she relate anything that may put Trayvon in a bad light?

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jjenny said:

California is different from Florida. Because of SYG in Florida, the burden will be on the prosecution.

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NOTE: In Gray v. State, 13 So. 2d 114 (Fla. 5th DCA 2009), the Fifth District Court of Appeal of Florida (governing Sanford, Florida, the site of the Trayvon Martin shooting) adopted the procedures outlined above in Petersen, holding that the right to immunity from criminal prosecution afforded by Section 776.032 is to be determined by the trial court after an evidentiary proceeding in which the criminal defendant has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence. Id. at 114.

Thus, under the procedures outlined in Petersen, prosecutorial immunity does not attach under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law by way of mere factual assertion. The issue is raised pre-trial through the filing of a Motion for Declaration of Immunity. To obtain such a declaration by the trial court, a hearing is held where the defendant must demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence his or her qualifications for immunity. This essentially reverses the burden of proof traditionally at play in a criminal case. The defense presents the evidence, shows that the statutory prerequisites have been met, and requests that the court grant the motion and appropriate relief. If the Motion is granted, the defense then files a Motion to Dismiss, as there is no longer a legal basis to proceed with the prosecution.

With regard to the Trayvon Martin case, the notion that Florida’s Stand Your Ground law prohibited the prosecution of George Zimmerman is fundamentally false. “Stand Your Ground” in no way prevents a prosecution from being initiated against an accused.

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LinasK said:

Ummm. Target employs their own security people- just sayin'!

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jjenny said:

California is different from Florida. Because of SYG in Florida, the burden will be on the prosecution.

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JeannaT said:

What kind of trouble would a medical professional be in for leaking a confidential medical document? That would be it, for a lifetime, for whatever license they held under the HIPAA rules.

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JeannaT said:

Because he's afraid. He's afraid for his own safety, and has a bit of a hero complex and wants to be the one in the store that saves the day if some nutjob comes into Target and starts shooting up the citizenry.

That's the type of person who has a CWP. That's how they view the world, and themselves.

(Note: there are people with CWPs who have incredibly dangerous jobs or have to work in very very dangerous areas, and they are exempt from the above characterization of urban guys with CWPs.)

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Dr.Fessel said:

I don't think so. Zimmerman is going to have to take the stand and tell exactly what the reasonable fear was and why he felt he had to shoot. The burden is on him.

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JeannaT said:

An adult who appears coherent can refuse medical treatment.

I know this because my son did some EMT work, and adults who are conscious, and can refuse treatment, are allowed to.

It's quite possible that the EMTs on site documented GZ's broken nose (if he had one) and head injury (if he had one) but allowed him to exercise his right to refuse treatment.

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**WS verified Paramedic here**

The paramedic could insist all he wants but if GZ is alert and oriented to person, place and time he has the right to refuse all or portions of treatment or transportation. To touch the patient otherwise would be assault and battery and to transport the patient would be kidnapping. Unless GZ was incapacitated to the point where the paramedics were to believe that he was unable to make prudent decisions for himself, then they have to respect his wishes and not transport him to the hospital. He should be made aware of all the risks of refusing transport and made to sign a release of care prior to the paramedics clearing the scene. Without seeing the medical report, we are unable to ascertain whether they offered to bandage his wounds or if the bleeding from the wound had stopped. If GZ was insistent that the medics leave him alone, it is very possible that they assessed him, signed him off and cleared the scene.

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jjenny said:

No, on the prosecution (legally). They have to prove otherwise. He does not have to take the stand.

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Cher352 said:

I wasn't thinking about the hospital leaking it, but someone from SPD since they leaked/released other info.

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JeannaT said:

When I picture this, if Trayvon were afraid of GZ - that is, believed GZ intended to knife him, kidnap him, rob him, etc., and knowing that Trayvon wasn't armed, I don't think he would have verbally engaged GZ, and asked him what his problem was. If he truly feared for his safety from GZ, I think he would have broken into a run and gotten away and not forced an encounter.

I think he knew what GZ was doing, and it pissed him off so he took the first swing. i believe Trayvon knew GZ suspected him, and was following him to watch him, and so Trayvon attacked him first verbally and then physically.

That's my humble opinion only. I can't see verbally engaging someone who you are truly afraid of, if you are unarmed, if you have the chance to get away which Trayvon certainly did.

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