Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

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LittleBitty35 said:
I doubt it will be the best that the SA can come up. I like you, but you appear to have an obvious bias as it relates to the prosecution, not just in this case. Not all defendents are innocent. Not all DA's offices are out to get the innocent.

The defense had these same documents for a month. They were released because the press requested them. This is the first I have heard, apart from the bottle/syringe being listed with the debris being found near Caylee's remains, of them possibly having a connection to the case. So imagine, the remains were found on December 11th. We are just now getting more information about the syringe and bottle of gatorade as having to do with chloroform. Something we have not seen before now. So imagine if they are trickling out the evidence. Which, some might think is just mean. I say, if the defense wants to claim they have exculpatory evidence they should produce it before the judge mandated deadline that they do so on or before February first. But since the Judge asked for said information a month ago, I have serious doubts about the defense having any said evidence.

It is my contention that this will not be the last time we will be hearing about the bottle/syringe as it relates to this case.

It is not the prosecution's fault that KC claims a phantom did it. That is her fault.
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My bias is for evidence that supports the charges at a level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. My experience with high-profile cases is that nothing close to that is required for a wrongful vilification campaign by our crimetainment media, which can and has led to a wrongful conviction.
 
Wudge said:
This is not a Federal case. The FBI is not in control. Orlando's LE and D.A.'s office is on center stage.
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Hey Wudge...food for thought. This was originally a reported "kidnapping" by whomever, preported to be traveling to other states as well as other countries. If (not fighting with you here) they went and continue with the kidnapping to other states/countries...wouldn't that make it a federal case?

At the federal level, Congress passed the Lindbergh Act in 1932 to prohibit interstate kidnapping (48 Stat. 781 [codified at 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 1201 et seq.]). The Lindbergh Act was named for Charles A. Lindbergh, a celebrated aviator and Air Force colonel whose baby was kidnapped and killed in 1932. The act provides that if a victim is not released within 24 hours after being abducted, a court may presume that the victim was transported across state lines.
 
spqr said:
Fair enough...but I am very familiar with human decomposition and it in NO WAY equates to the decomposition of animals (pigs being the closest).

Now unless you are buying your fresh chicken and fresh pork directly from a farm after a fresh kill...the food you are buying is processed in some way to hinder/delay any spoilage.

So where is this farm you shop at??
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I am not going off topic. I owned a Restaurant for 16 years. Believe me, I know food very well. Not all food has preservatives in it. However as you can see in my other post, I quoted wikipedia as using chlorinated water in foods and linking that to chloroform.

Also on wikipedia it refers to animal decomp and human decomp in the same sentence to create coffin wax. We are talking traces here.
 
The Eunice Burns said:
Several years ago, my son told me that they were told in Science class they could not use Wiki as a research tool. The teaching staff did their own research, and found too much that was not reliable and accurately sourced.
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I work for one of those companies that you can call or text them a question and they will send you the answer back as a text message on your cell phone and we are asked not to answer questions with a source from there.
 
Wudge said:
My bias is for evidence that supports the charges at a level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. My experience with high-profile cases is that nothing close to that is required for a wrongful vilification campaign by our crimetainment media, which can and has led to a wrongful conviction.
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...but we're not getting our info from the media...these are scientific reports.
 
notthatsmart said:
I am not going off topic. I owned a Restaurant for 16 years. Believe me, I know food very well. Not all food has preservatives in it. However as you can see in my other post, I quoted wikipedia as using chlorinated water in foods and linking that to chloroform.

Also on wikipedia it refers to animal decomp and human decomp in the same sentence to create coffin wax. We are talking traces here.
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the thing is ....they didnt find any meat in the trunk....only empty pks of process foods....

am i wrong?
 
MOO...Crasey could have gotten the syringe from any one of those wonderful parties she attended. It seems like she had a wide variety of friends that were into a wide variety of things...so whose to tell where the needle may have been before she acquired it. Don't know much about tattoo parlors...but do they have syringes? I heard they use Ambesol for piercing tongues, Ambesol contains 45 to 70% ethanol. Just thinking out loud!
 
spqr said:
Hey Wudge...food for thought. This was originally a reported "kidnapping" by whomever, preported to be traveling to other states as well as other countries. If (not fighting with you here) they went and continue with the kidnapping to other states/countries...wouldn't that make it a federal case?

At the federal level, Congress passed the Lindbergh Act in 1932 to prohibit interstate kidnapping (48 Stat. 781 [codified at 18 U.S.C.A. §§ 1201 et seq.]). The Lindbergh Act was named for Charles A. Lindbergh, a celebrated aviator and Air Force colonel whose baby was kidnapped and killed in 1932. The act provides that if a victim is not released within 24 hours after being abducted, a court may presume that the victim was transported across state lines.
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Murder is a State case.
 
Would large amounts of chloroform melt the plastic gatorade bottle?
 
TakeNote said:
the thing is ....they didnt find any meat in the trunk....only empty pks of process foods....

am i wrong?
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That's the way I remember it, no meats found, only empty boxes
 
DogMom2JoeAndWillie said:
Nothing that I found....mainly because they didn't find anything. :)
I can explain their method, give a general overview of the instrumentation, and tell you how they determined that there weren't any benzos in the hair sample (based on the chromatographs) but it's all just extra information, really. It'll take a while and be long (and I don't mind doing it) but I don't want to post it here since it's OT....I'll find somewhere to put it once I've got it all together. :)

About the DNA stuff....I don't have a strong enough background in that type of lab work to be useful. I have a friend that is very knowledgeable in that area and I'm sure they'd be happy to explain it to me. It's late here (nearly midnight in Arkansas) but I will contact them tomorrow and relay the information when I have a response for you!
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I totally agree with TakeNote. We don't want to wear you out, DogMom!! If you say there were no benzos in the hair ~ I think that's really about all we really needed to know. Your expert opinion is good enough!! I probably wouldn't be able to properly appreciate many more facts than that. I'm sure if anyone has any more detailed questions for you on the subject that they would call on you when they posted them? Thanks again for your contribution!

Is that ok with everyone else?
 
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around KC administering chloroform with a needle. How does that fit with the large quantity of chloroform in the trunk? My earlier thoughts were that she spilled it while trying to put it on a cloth to hold over Caylee's mouth and nose. I guess that image came from the old movies I've seen. KC's too young to have seen those, did she just assume it should be given via injection?

Did KC spill the chloroform while trying to aspirate it from the Gatorade bottle into the syringe? Was Caylee already taped up and in the trunk? So many questions.
 
notthatsmart said:
I am not going off topic. I owned a Restaurant for 16 years. Believe me, I know food very well. Not all food has preservatives in it. However as you can see in my other post, I quoted wikipedia as using chlorinated water in foods and linking that to chloroform.

Also on wikipedia it refers to animal decomp and human decomp in the same sentence to create coffin wax. We are talking traces here.
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Bold and under by me:

That is exactly how rumors and mis-information start to circulate and then become "facts". We are all just trying to lay out the facts as they are presented.
 
This thread is very emotional.* Nerves are raw, convictions are strong, and opinions differ.* This info is too valuable to be lost in a "closed thread".* As a regular, average, unimportant poster....may I ask that everyone take a moment to think before responding?* I see trouble brewing here and that serves none of us.* No single opinion should dominate the thread.* Seriously guys..... we are ALL grown ups and professional.* Many of us are of above average intelligence.* None of us will benefit from a closed thread.* Climbing off the soapbox to fetch another glass of wine.
 
Ditto to Sleutherontheside's post!!!

I agree with the other posters regarding Wickipedia. It is NOT factual and can be changed by anyone! Same goes for Urban Dictionary. Take them both with a grain of salt!
 
3doglady said:
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around KC administering chloroform with a needle. How does that fit with the large quantity of chloroform in the trunk? My earlier thoughts were that she spilled it while trying to put it on a cloth to hold over Caylee's mouth and nose. I guess that image came from the old movies I've seen. KC's too young to have seen those, did she just assume it should be given via injection?

Did KC spill the chloroform while trying to aspirate it from the Gatorade bottle into the syringe? Was Caylee already taped up and in the trunk? So many questions.
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Maybe KC used to inject the doll with Chloroform and give it to caylee while riding in the car for her to snuggle with. Thereby the close proximity of caylee to the doll would render her unconscious and KC could go play. KC herself would not be close enough to the doll to feel any affect from it.

Yes she could have just poured the Chloroform on the doll instead but that would put her (KC) in more direct contact with said chemical. By putting it in the doll it would have more of a "time release" effect. JMO
 
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