17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #31

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This is being really insensitive. I can't believe the dad is being questioned for not noticing a crime scene. It's not like it was right in his backyard, right behind his house. He probably did see lights and sirens, but why would his first thought be that something happened to his son? They were probably tired, made assumptions about where the kids were, and just went to bed. That is not unreasonable. I don't think they were expecting that Trayvon had been shot and was dead. Good Lord. These people are VICTIMS. Let's treat them as such instead of bashing them because they didn't know Trayvon was dead seconds after they got home.

The beating up on the victim and family on this forum is really getting tiresome.
 
And I'm just asking for a link to something that a previous poster asserted that I have not seen myself.

ETA: To me, the brother's presence in the home is extremely relevant because it might alter Martin's actions. If the brother was home, I could see him not wanting to go back, or possibly being locked out. If the brother was not home, Martin surely had a key or some other way to get into the house - I don't think he would have locked himself out. I'm not asking for anything regarding the brother other than evidence he was actually home at the time.

I could see a young teenage boy possibly going out with his friends and not thinking about whether or not another person who went out has a key or not.

They were clearly not home watching the all-star game. Change number one.

The father came home and never mentioned anything about the brother. While not a change, one can draw implications from it.

Martin apparently went to the store to get out of the house, not to buy the brother Skittles, change number two.

How many times does the story have to change for it to satisfy your requirements?

I don't really consider either one of these examples a change. A kid might be at home watching an all star game at one point of the evening and later on they may go out and not be at home when the parents arrive.

As for whether the reason for leaving is to get out of the house or to buy Skittles, it could easily be both at the same time. I do that all the time. I tell the kids I need to buy milk and bread or something, and I do, but the trip to the store is also a welcome little break.
 
To be blunt, you really don't know what he did for that amount of time. You can speculate all you want to, but nothing implies there was constant movement for that entire amount of time. At the very least, he could have been pacing or walking in circles as he was talking to the dispatcher. The timelines not fitting whatever direction you perceive a person to continuously move to (or away from) doesn't mean much without all of the facts. You're assuming he never stopped walking or continuously walked in one path or route. That's a very big assumption.

I never speculated on what he did after he reached the end of the path (other than the general statement he started to return his car). I simply said that him reaching the end of the path fits well within the timeline of him telling the dispatcher he won't follow anymore. If it came across differently to you, my apologies.

Oh no, apologies are not necessary. I'm simply trying to understand how someone who was "jogging", "walking hurriedly", or "hustling" a few weeks ago is now "walking around in circles" or "pacing" along the same "very reasonable distance to cover" or "little section of path"

It occurred to me that he lost sight of Martin, and may have actually continued onto the other street when dispatch then told him to stop. This would align perfectly with everything. He was apparently jogging or walking hurriedly, and I don't think it would have taken much time to cover that little section of path. It's very likely he pulled up right next to the path, got out, and then jogged/hustled down it. When he didn't see Martin, he kept going hoping to see him cut through somewhere (get the address of where the individual was headed, maybe?) when dispatch told him to stop. He then headed back to his vehicle.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7730402&postcount=193
 
I'm still in shock how quickly they investigated the crime scene. Plus didn't they give Trayvon a "drug test" right there on the spot?

I was surprised when I'd heard that as well. If it's not true I'd appreciate knowing where to find and read the actual time the scene was completed. (I can't watch videos cuz my internet speed stinks)

I don't know about drug testing Trayvon at the scene, but I have no doubt they did so as a normal part of the death investigation that is done during autopsy.
 
I could see a young teenage boy possibly going out with his friends and not thinking about whether or not another person who went out has a key or not.



I don't really consider either one of these examples a change. A kid might be at home watching an all star game at one point of the evening and later on they may go out and not be at home when the parents arrive.

As for whether the reason for leaving is to get out of the house or to buy Skittles, it could easily be both at the same time. I do that all the time. I tell the kids I need to buy milk and bread or something, and I do, but the trip to the store is also a welcome little break.
I'll just address your first point before it's dropped. The All-Star Game hadn't even started yet. That's how the story changed.
 
I'm still in shock how quickly they investigated the crime scene. Plus didn't they give Trayvon a "drug test" right there on the spot?

I believe the "drug test" that has been referred to is the toxicology lab conducted at autopsy, which is allegedly standard procedure.
 
I'll just address your first point before it's dropped. The All-Star Game hadn't even started yet. That's how the story changed.
They were watching the pre-game show..The story did not change some reporters mispoke..Do not twist it to say story changed....IMHO JMHO and all that
 
Oh no, apologies are not necessary. I'm simply trying to understand how someone who was "jogging", "walking hurriedly", or "hustling" a few weeks ago is now "walking around in circles" or "pacing" along the same "very reasonable distance to cover" or "little section of path"
On the way there is not the same as on the way back. I never addressed the time after he got to that point. Whether he stood at the end and watched or paced around or walked in circles or did laps around the buildings, I don't know. And I've never claimed to know. I've simply said it was possible, given the timings, that he walked to the end of that path when he told the dispatcher he'd stop following.
 
The game might not have started but I'm sure the pregame coverage had already started especially considering the game was being played in Orlando. Tipoff for the game was at at 7 pm. Again, there is absolutely no relevance in this discussion whatsoever.

http://www.nba.com/allstar2012/
Sunday, February 26, 2012
7:00pm EST
Amway Center
 
They were watching the pre-game show..The story did not change some reporters mispoke..Do not twist it to say story changed....IMHO JMHO and all that
Then a lot of reporters misspoke. JMO
 
I'll just address your first point before it's dropped. The All-Star Game hadn't even started yet. That's how the story changed.

Watching the pre-game coverage maybe?
 
From the above article....

Zimmerman left the jail around midnight with his bondsman, Michael Smith of Magic Bail Bonds, who escorted Zimmerman to the BMW then drove away.

Court records show Zimmerman's arraignment was moved up to May 8, a hearing during which a defendant formally enters a plea. That, though, was made moot by his lawyer filing a written not guilty plea several days ago
Those newly-released court records also reveal that prosecutors didn't want Zimmerman wearing a suit – civilian clothes of any kind – at Friday's bond hearing. That, wrote Bernie de la Rionda, was an unwarranted attempt to polish Zimmerman's media image.

The judge said yes to the suit, and the defendant wore an over-sized blue one, but the judge also ordered him to wear shackles, another rule O'Mara had asked the judge to relax.



~jmo~

My confidence and respect for this Judge keeps getting lower. I don't know why he allowed that blindsiding of the prosecution. He just as easily could have called for another hearing to address the issues that had no place at a bond hearing. IMO IMO IMO ( so no one ridiculously requests a link)
 
Huh?

I've never suggested he wasn't going towards his house initially. I was saying that it may be possible Martin was 1) locked out or 2) decided he shouldn't go home (after Zimmerman started following) if the brother was home. If the brother was not home, neither of these may apply.

I think if we continue on this path we are going too deep into the fact that the woman's son was home alone at that point and maybe this mom does want want that kind of information plastered all over forums. I know I would not. There is no proof TM was locked out, there is no proof he was going anywhere but home. Whatever way the gf secures her home seems like we are headed into an area where we have no business being. TM was headde home or he would not have been that close to his destination. LE seems to believe TM was just on his way home. jmo
 
My confidence and respect for this Judge keeps getting lower. I don't know why he allowed that blindsiding of the prosecution. He just as easily could have called for another hearing to address the issues that had no place at a bond hearing. IMO IMO IMO ( so no one ridiculously requests a link)
How is it blindsiding of the prosecution? It was an Arthur hearing. That's what happens. If the state came unprepared, that was their own fault.
 
I think if we continue on this path we are going too deep into the fact that the woman's son was home alone at that point and maybe this mom does want want that kind of information plastered all over forums. I know I would not. There is no proof TM was locked out, there is no proof he was going anywhere but home. Whatever way the gf secures her home seems like we are headed into an area where we have no business being. TM was headde home or he would not have been that close to his destination. LE seems to believe TM was just on his way home. jmo
There have been interviews with the son in which he says he was home. That's enough for me.
 
Seems to me there's a lot of grasping at straws going on around here and attempts to make any and every thing the Martin family or associates do a crime. Obviously in order to support Zimmerman's stance you have to blame the victim and his family. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.



~jmo~
I 100% Agree IMHO
 
Then a lot of reporters misspoke. JMO

Lots of folks watch pre-game shows before athletic events. It's pretty normal. And when someone talks about watching a big game...they usually don't say, first I watched the pre-game, then I watched the game, then I watched the post-game.

Most folks will just say, "I watched the game."

I don't mind explaining this. I hope this helps avoid more unnecessary "confusion" about sports semantics.
 
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