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It started as a "think outside the box" list.
Dont get me wrong, I think it's a great list!
It started as a "think outside the box" list.
http://neighbors.whitepages.com/search/neighbor_search/681-Swan-Johnson-Rd/Darden,-TN-38328-4830
The link above is an aerial view of the woods and the houses that are nearest to the Bobos. Press the zoom out button once and you can see all the neighbors and roads clearer.
In the picture below, Karen is looking into the direction of where Clint was when he saw Holly being led away into the woods. Karen and the reporter are standing at the point where he sees them both.
Looking at the White Pages map you can see where the pool is getting a better idea of the direction the kidnapper and Holly walked.
Interesting facts to consider retrieved from Google Maps:
The closest neighbor is about a 7 min walk away.
Holly's school is approximately 15-17 minutes (6.1 miles) away with the route headed southeast from Holly's house and in the direction of the closest neighbor's house.
Good points and I think they have.
Getting back to the theories, are there any we can start taking off of the list because they're not supported by the facts. For example, DS or CB being involved. I'm not sure I'm read to take aliens off yet, but can we start narrowing it down now?
Okay, here's the master list (again). Tell me which to eliminate:
01. The "Boyfriend, afraid of losing her" KEEP
02. The "Holly knew too much" KEEP
03. The "In town, just passing through" KEEP
04. The "Girlfriend got jealous" REMOVE
05. The "Holly ran away on her own" REMOVE
06. The "Rogue LE" KEEP
07. The "Sibling involvement" KEEP
08. The "Holly's girlfriend's boyfriend cheated" REMOVE
09. The "Retribution against a family member" KEEP
10. The "Accidental death w/cover-up" KEEP
11. The "Preacher, brimming with passion" KEEP
12. The "Rogue spokespastor" KEEP
13. The "Victim of a serial offender" KEEP
14. The "Knew her though churchwork" KEEP
15. The "Kidnapped her to keep her" REMOVE
16. The "Rogue coon hunter" KEEP
17. The "Man who tossed Drew and his dad off the property" REMOVE
18. The "Rogue secret twin brother" REMOVE
19. The "Wheel in the sky keeps on turning" - wait, that's not one LOL
19. The "Random hunter who stumbled across the Bobo property" REMOVE
20. The "Known stalker" REMOVE
21. The "They know who dunnit but can't close the deal" KEEP
22. The "Mountain man who eluded the bloodhounds" REMOVE
23. The "Those pesky aliens in their UFOs" REMOVE
24. The "Bigfoot in full turkey camo" REMOVE
25. The "Odd person who leaves little messages" REMOVE
26. The "Fell victim to human trafficking" REMOVE
27. The "Rogue militia" REMOVE
28. The "Masonic cabal" REMOVE
29. The "Rogue Calabrese" REMOVE
30. The "Cabin 16" REMOVE
31. The "Homeless Hobo" REMOVE
32. The Serial Predator KEEP
33. The Loved One ??
34. The Passerby REMOVE
35. The Friend KEEP
36. The Acquaintance KEEP
37. The Accessory After the Fact REMOVE
About exactly the ones I'd keep/remove. 32-37 I think I'd keep for now as each can be - with additions perhaps - inclusive of one or more of the original 31.My opinions to narrowing down the list. Some intertwine but it's a start.
About exactly the ones I'd keep/remove. 32-37 I think I'd keep for now as each can be - with additions perhaps - inclusive of one or more of the original 31.
Let's see who checks in today and has an opinion.
Still liking the 02 - 09 - 21 trifecta, myself.
Quite true.I think it was a great excercise but unfortunately we're left with the same theories floating around since day 1. Unless and until LE says something soon or we get a break in the case that will narrow down the list, we will be here years from now still debating the whodunit.
Quite true.
I was interested to note that a couple others also thought the perp could be known to Holly through churchwork of one sort or another. Surprised, actually.
Holly's churchiness was sure stressed early and often - attendance, choir, good works - enough that I wondered if someone was trying to tell us something, perhaps subconsciously.The churchwork person was my second theory all along. I even mentioned this case. http://www.norfolkdailynews.com/new...cle_9521da68-cc3d-11e1-9d76-001a4bcf6878.html
I also made mention Karen Swift's case. Her body was found near a cemetery. Not that I think the 2 cases are related but, imo, if the person had remorse of some sort perhaps a church or cemetery would have been where the body was buried or disposed of. :moo:
Holly's churchiness was sure stressed early and often - attendance, choir, good works - enough that I wondered if someone was trying to tell us something, perhaps subconsciously.
Above (at #204) I pondered in what direction our theories might lead us if Clint had seen nothing at all.
nursebeeme, Jet Duncan, BS Lavergne, Gary Hilton, the Forest Hills rapist, and many other predators prior stalked their victims.he could have been watching the house. Jet Duncan did it. Also: hunters in my area park their cars off the road, etc..
It can be planned and still fit any of those scenarios imhoo.
Would say all but about 3 of them could be removed.. My opinion isnt listed but will withhold as to not offend anyone.
wfgodot, I think that we have a pretty good idea based on the Adam Leroy Lane investigation and investigative statistics. Add a little circumstantial evidence to the mix, a plausible scenario by a believable and over aggressive prosecutor, and we would be witnessing a trial of an ex-boyfriend, or the last person to see Holly, or she may have even been classified as an endangered runaway...
Imo, Clint waking up and witnessing the abduction abruptly changed the abductors original plans on the morning of 04/13/2011. The abductor would have heard rascal barking & more than likely observed Clint peering out the window at them.. Then the perp would have had a few options; run like hell, or pretend to be casually walking into the woods with a compliant Holly(ruse).
If armed and pursued by Clint, into the tree line. It is very possible that the Bobos would have lost another child that day..
The list (see above) is still awaiting your pruning or re-organizing suggestions. Tell me what you think. It's our list.
Okay, here's the master list (again). Tell me which to eliminate:
01. The "Boyfriend, afraid of losing her"
02. The "Holly knew too much"
03. The "In town, just passing through"
04. The "Girlfriend got jealous"
05. The "Holly ran away on her own"
06. The "Rogue LE"
07. The "Sibling involvement"
08. The "Holly's girlfriend's boyfriend cheated"
09. The "Retribution against a family member"
10. The "Accidental death w/cover-up"
11. The "Preacher, brimming with passion"
12. The "Rogue spokespastor"
13. The "Victim of a serial offender"
14. The "Knew her though churchwork"
15. The "Kidnapped her to keep her"
16. The "Rogue coon hunter"
17. The "Man who tossed Drew and his dad off the property"
18. The "Rogue secret twin brother"
19. The "Wheel in the sky keeps on turning" - wait, that's not one
19. The "Random hunter who stumbled across the Bobo property"
20. The "Known stalker"
21. The "They know who dunnit but can't close the deal"
22. The "Mountain man who eluded the bloodhounds"
23. The "Those pesky aliens in their UFOs"
24. The "Bigfoot in full turkey camo"
25. The "Odd person who leaves little messages"
26. The "Fell victim to human trafficking"
27. The "Rogue militia"
28. The "Masonic cabal"
29. The "Rogue Calabrese"
30. The "Cabin 16"
31. The "Homeless Hobo"
32. The Serial Predator
33. The Loved One
34. The Passerby
35. The Friend
36. The Acquaintance
37. The Accessory After the Fact
Keep it because it doesn't take much to be an accessory after the fact.Okay, here's the master list (again). Tell me which to eliminate:
01. The "Boyfriend, afraid of losing her" The timing does not work with him across the county, which presumably can be confirmed by other means. Plus, witnesses in family members and work don't allow for this theory.
02. The "Holly knew too much"I'd leave this one as a possibility because it doesn't require omitting any known facts and there have certainly been some facts reported that such an element was present in Parsons and surrounding areas. While I don't know if Holly knew too much, the criminal element of Parsons can certainly be involved. So keep it IMO.
03. The "In town, just passing through"Too many random factors for me. Someone just in town and passing through wouldn't know the roads, the house or that Holly was there. I'd drop it.
04. The "Girlfriend got jealous"Would drop it because CB's description is that of a male.
05. The "Holly ran away on her own"Drop it. Enough said.
06. The "Rogue LE"I suppose could survive the first cut. For me, it could be grouped in the remote acquaintance category where that person could come from LE, church, friends, school etc...
07. The "Sibling involvement"Drop it. Should be able to say enough said, but suffice it say he couldn't have taken Holly more than a mile away in the time allowed. Drop it.
08. The "Holly's girlfriend's boyfriend cheated"I get a headache trying to follow it. So did gf's bf cheat with Holly and then kill Holly? I'd drop it because I don't know of any facts that support that.
09. The "Retribution against a family member"I think it survives the first cut. This too could be the criminal element that facts show is present. Could be someone fired by DB. Could be that remote acquaintance.
10. The "Accidental death w/cover-up"Drop it. Enough said.
11. The "Preacher, brimming with passion"Keep it. See number 6.
12. The "Rogue spokespastor"Keep it. See number 6.
13. The "Victim of a serial offender"Keep it. Until I hear what exactly rules someone like Britt out, his proximity, his whereabouts and his nature concern me.
14. The "Knew her though churchwork"Keep it. See number 6.
15. The "Kidnapped her to keep her"I wouldn't have a problem if it survived the first cut, but I don't think it's likely. I'd put the chances at 5%. Personally, I'd drop it based on the nature of the abduction, and statistics that say this just doesn't happen frequently.
16. The "Rogue coon hunter"Keep it. See number 6.
17. The "Man who tossed Drew and his dad off the property"Drop it for much the same reasons as DS is dropped.
18. The "Rogue secret twin brother"I'll have to defer. I'm not aware of a twin brother so I'd drop. But if others are aware of something else that says it's so, keep it.
19. The "Wheel in the sky keeps on turning" - wait, that's not oneI went back and looked at this earlier and already forgot what proposition it stands for. Suppose keep it and I'll go back and read it again.
19. The "Random hunter who stumbled across the Bobo property"It's feasible but not likely in my opinion. It could survive a first cut I suppose. Just too many factors that cut against in IMHO.
20. The "Known stalker"If there is evidence of this, keep it. Otherwise I'd drop it.
21. The "They know who dunnit but can't close the deal"I'd keep it. Whether for nefarious reasons or just lack of evidence, I have to believe LE has a fair idea of who was involved.
22. The "Mountain man who eluded the bloodhounds"Drop it.
23. The "Those pesky aliens in their UFOs" Drop it.
24. The "Bigfoot in full turkey camo" Drop it.
25. The "Odd person who leaves little messages" If there is some fact to support it, keep it. If not, drop it.
26. The "Fell victim to human trafficking"Drop it.
27. The "Rogue militia"Drop it.
28. The "Masonic cabal"Drop it.
29. The "Rogue Calabrese"Drop it.
30. The "Cabin 16"Drop it.
31. The "Homeless Hobo"Drop it.
32. The Serial PredatorKeep it, but thought this was number 13.
33. The Loved OneIf this means a family member or boyfriend did it, drop it.
34. The PasserbySee number 3.
35. The FriendDrop it.
36. The Acquaintance Keep it.
37. The Accessory After the Fact
About exactly the ones I'd keep/remove. 32-37 I think I'd keep for now as each can be - with additions perhaps - inclusive of one or more of the original 31.
Let's see who checks in today and has an opinion.
Still liking the 02 - 09 - 21 trifecta, myself.