Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996-1997, Perth, Western Australia - #7 *ARREST*

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Please can you explain further what suburb or more details about the location ?

Sulphur Rd and Johnston Rd in Bertram. West side of Johston and south side of Sulphur

I mentioned, earlier in the week about finding a site just north of Jane's site where I found Bones and fabric. Now this fire happens, tho nowhere near the site I have found. So is someone attempting to destroy evidence in this area? It is 240 metres west of the jane to Ciara line. When Sarah was dumped there was no housing here at all, and the cops mentioned that when Jane was found, the killer would have driven down Johnston Rd to get to Woolcoot.
 
Here is why the star sign theory is utter BS........ You would have to be the luckiest *advertiser censored* in the world to go around asking girls star signs and finding them in the order you need. You would have to ask 50... 100... 150... different girls to manage to pull of the order of he star signs, thats assuming when you find a girl with the right one you then manage to abduct her without anyone noticing. NOW in the 30 years of murders you guys are covering to fit your Star Sign Bandit, how many girls have come fourth in a missing persons/murder case claiming "this loner guy was going around asking girls star signs"? not enough if any for police to make a connection from 30 different girls saying 'yeah, this was this one guy....."

You're right. He would have to ask a lot of girls. And if he doesn't find what he wants one night, he will try other nights.
 
I welcome any theories on this case, I am open to any crazy theory, I will judge for myself if I think it could be legit or not. The Zodiac killer said he was collecting slaves for his afterlife so who the hell knows what the CSK was thinking.

If you want to prevent people from sharing ideas, then ask the mods to create sub forums. I actually think that may be a good idea to stop bickering.

People are arguing against the line idea because it may be 10 meters / 20 meters off? Without Google earth and without a GPS in 1996, and with a paper map and a compass... and a dead body in the car, possibly at night... the line is bloody accurate IMO

The company that used to produce street directories, UDL, also used to produce a large map of the metro area. It was useful for companies like couriers, taxis, bus companies and others to work out distances, routes and locations. I remember seeing these maps in a post office once, with circles maked in different colours according to the postcodes. All this info was on these big maps. I have one as well. It ranged from Yanchep down to Mandurah. So it was easy to draw the lines between dump sites. What it didn't include, was Brookton Highway or detail of the Canning Dam area.

You can still buy these big maps from the Chart Shop in Perth or Freo.
 
Here is why the star sign theory is utter BS........ You would have to be the luckiest *advertiser censored* in the world to go around asking girls star signs and finding them in the order you need. You would have to ask 50... 100... 150... different girls to manage to pull of the order of he star signs, thats assuming when you find a girl with the right one you then manage to abduct her without anyone noticing. NOW in the 30 years of murders you guys are covering to fit your Star Sign Bandit, how many girls have come fourth in a missing persons/murder case claiming "this loner guy was going around asking girls star signs"? not enough if any for police to make a connection from 30 different girls saying 'yeah, this was this one guy....."

Keep in mind that stalking was probably part of his character. He may have learnt their star signs months or years earlier and patiently waited for the right time to pounce.
 
Those video tapes state that DM weighed 100 kilos. Perhaps she was too heavy for CSK to drag any distance? Hence the car fire?
 
I believe VM is responsible for DM. And LB. But there are a lot of variables in this case that need a closer look.
 
You're right. He would have to ask a lot of girls. And if he doesn't find what he wants one night, he will try other nights.
You missed my point mate.....there would be hundreds of witnesses seeing your face, hundreds sayings this one guy come around on his own and was asking about all of the girls star signs.Next murdera bunch of witnesses report the guy going around asking girls star signsNext murder"No officer I didn't see anything strange, just this one dude asked a few girls there star sign and then left"Kind of builds an obvious pattern that would stand out to police like a bulldogs nuts'The zodiac killer didn't even try to bump victims off in order, why? because most serial killers use a planned blitz attack, and until that point in most cases neither victim nor killer has ever met before, it's all about risk and opportunity, not star signs and birthdays. You seriously must consider in order to find these girls star signs, he is putting his face out to way too many people, serial killers like to keep their **** secretive, it's kinda how they get away with murder to become a serial killer. If he was to know the victims beforehand in order to avoid asking random strangers birth dates, then the risk is even higher because being the common denominator to a bunch of dead people once again makes you stand out.I do not think it is feasible for a killer to kill people in order of star signs and not be on the police radar specifically for doing so with a short time frame.
 
Keep in mind that stalking was probably part of his character. He may have learnt their star signs months or years earlier and patiently waited for the right time to pounce.
I don't think the CSK had enough time to stalk on that level, he killed on holidays and long weekends, he clearly was a busy man, with either family, work, or some other interest.A serial killer that was to put that much effort in plotting dump sites and killing women by star sign (sounds like the plot to a cheesey 80's straight to TV movie) would to me, psychologically be the type of killer to communicate with and/or taunt police and media. How pissed would you be spending hours and hours with compass, pen and ruler, plotting your dump sites on a map, all the mean while spending hours and hours and hours meetings girls months or years in advance specifically to use their star sign when it comes to that one, then finally managing to pull it all off and BOOM, no one notices all this amazing genius effort you put into it.
 
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Source : Repost from #enzeder timeline/media thread
Missing jewelry of cg & ss
as detailed in my previous post
 
And yet, Three girls all with different backgrounds and different ages were all abducted in order of their birth dates. Remember what the FBI says about this? One is random, two is coincidence, three is a pattern and serial.

So how is he getting that information?
 
And yet, Three girls all with different backgrounds and different ages were all abducted in order of their birth dates. Remember what the FBI says about this? One is random, two is coincidence, three is a pattern and serial.

So how is he getting that information?

Public notices - newspapers
Radio announcements
Friends & relatives who are attending parties
Bookings for restaurants
Cakes made by bakers or cake decorators
Retail clothing, outfit for special occasion
Hairdresser appointments
Working in place that requires driver licence ID (limitless options)
Special occasion venues
Bookings at Clubs
Doctors Specialists Dentist Optometrist Hospital
Standing behind someone in a queue and listening
Noticing what star sign book someone buys
Insurance
Banking
Surveys

It would not be difficult to find out a birthdate.

Perhaps that's why he let Karrakatta go?
IIRC with one of the other assaults, her licence was found on the ground later? Did he take it off her to check it?
 
Checking IDs at licensed venues? Would not need to speak to them at all.:facepalm:
 
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Former Ian moone posted; ( aprox 2014 (apologies for losing thread address) 'csk websleuths'

the car is differently stated here anyway, apparently its white lazer hatchback plate ka:6594
quoted in the YouTube clip recently posted about debra Anderson
 
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Former Ian moone posted; ( aprox 2014 (apologies for losing thread address) 'csk websleuths'

the car is differently stated here anyway, apparently its white lazer hatchback plate ka:6594
quoted in the YouTube clip recently posted about debra Anderson

The Police say DM was found in January, not December, so someone's got that wrong as well.
 
The Police say DM was found in January, not December, so someone's got that wrong as well.
Hopefully it sparks interest or rules out the claim whether wrong or right
Also who is dm in the quotes above ?
I believe VM is responsible for DM. And LB. But there are a lot of variables in this case that need a closer look.
 
Hopefully it sparks interest whether wrong or right .
Also who is dm in the quotes above ?

And LB while we're asking ?

My DM should be DA or DMA. I think I wrote DM because I had just read the post by phantom. LB is probably Lisa Brown?
 
Warning : contains graphic description.
This has been discussed before on ws. (and debated/disproved). This is from a fairly obscured link irish times
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Public notices - newspapers
Radio announcements
Friends & relatives who are attending parties
Bookings for restaurants
Cakes made by bakers or cake decorators
Retail clothing, outfit for special occasion
Hairdresser appointments
Working in place that requires driver licence ID (limitless options)
Special occasion venues
Bookings at Clubs
Doctors Specialists Dentist Optometrist Hospital
Standing behind someone in a queue and listening
Noticing what star sign book someone buys
Insurance
Banking
Surveys

It would not be difficult to find out a birthdate.

Perhaps that's why he let Karrakatta go?
IIRC with one of the other assaults, her licence was found on the ground later? Did he take it off her to check it?

Highest probability would have to be bouncers / security / bartender at the conti for this scenario. (Could of pretended to be security too)
They could easy check ID and notice if they arrived/leave alone.
Karra girl would of had a fake ID too seeing she was only 17.
Maybe this is why she was let go?
MM could of been a fake security and in the footage had a joke with JR about thinking she was underage.
 
Highest probability would have to be bouncers / security / bartender at the conti for this scenario. (Could of pretended to be security too)
They could easy check ID and notice if they arrived/leave alone.
Karra girl would of had a fake ID too seeing she was only 17.
Maybe this is why she was let go?
MM could of been a fake security and in the footage had a joke with JR about thinking she was underage.
Occams razor would point to the license that was found, being the license she was using on the night.
I don't think jr looked underage so doubt that happened.
jmo
 
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