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MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE CRIMINAL CODE

Section 16(1) of the Canadian Criminal Code explains the defence of mental disorder as “No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the quality and nature of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong.”

Not Criminally Responsible On Account Of Mental Disorder (NCRMD)
To be found NCRMD the accused must go through a court-ordered psychiatric assessment by a certified expert. It must be shown that the accused was suffering from a mental disorder at the time of the offence and therefore was incapable of appreciating the nature or quality of the act/omission and did not understand that it was wrong. *If the accused is found not criminally responsible, he/she is neither convicted nor acquitted and therefore not sentenced. Instead, the Court Review Board will decide on the most appropriate arrangement which may be 1)*absolute discharge 2)*discharge with conditions or 3)*detention in a hospital based on a set of criteria that have been set out by the Criminal Code.

Fitness to Stand Trial
The criminal justice system of Canada presumes fitness, however if the accused unable to understand the proceedings or communicate with counsel then he/she will be deemed unfit to stand trial. The Canadian Criminal Code defines ‘unfit to stand trial’ as, “unable on account of mental disorder to conduct a defence at any stage of the proceedings before a verdict is rendered or to instruct counsel to do so.” *If an individual is found to be unfit then he/she is dealt with by the Court Review Board until he/she is considered to be fit and tried. An inquiry will be held two years after the initial finding to determine if there is adequate information, this process will continue every two years until the accused is either acquitted or tried. If there is sufficient evidence that treatment will render the accused fit without causing any harm to the accused, the court may order medical treatment. This treatment, however, may not exceed a period of 60 days.
 
MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE CRIMINAL CODE

Section 16(1) of the Canadian Criminal Code explains the defence of mental disorder as “No person is criminally responsible for an act committed or an omission made while suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the quality and nature of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong.”

Not Criminally Responsible On Account Of Mental Disorder (NCRMD)
To be found NCRMD the accused must go through a court-ordered psychiatric assessment by a certified expert. It must be shown that the accused was suffering from a mental disorder at the time of the offence and therefore was incapable of appreciating the nature or quality of the act/omission and did not understand that it was wrong. *If the accused is found not criminally responsible, he/she is neither convicted nor acquitted and therefore not sentenced. Instead, the Court Review Board will decide on the most appropriate arrangement which may be 1)*absolute discharge 2)*discharge with conditions or 3)*detention in a hospital based on a set of criteria that have been set out by the Criminal Code.
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I'm a bit confused on the bolded part. In the case of Allan Schoenborn, he was found Guilty but NCR:

from:
http://pysih.com/2010/08/17/allen-dwayne-schoenborn/

In February, 2010, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Robert Powers, who heard the three-month trial in Kamloops without a jury, found that the killings were deliberate and planned by Allen Dwayne Schoenborn, and found him guilty of first-degree murder in their deaths BUT that he was not sane at the time. Guilty but not criminally responsible was the verdict. That’s right, deliberate and premeditated murders, and a subsequent ten-day flight from police, but he’s not responsible.
 
I'm a bit confused on the bolded part. In the case of Allan Schoenborn, he was found Guilty but NCR:

I believe it meant that he was guilty of the killing (meaning no question he killed the person based on the evidence) but found to be insane at the time of the killing based on evidence. Therefore he would appear before a Board who would decide treatment, review, and decision as to how best to treat his insanity and decide how long he would be held in a psychiatric facility and if his condition was treatable. If his condition was deemed to not be treatable he would be kept in the psychiatric facility indefinitely and if treatable a decision would be made at multiple board hearings if and when he could be released.
 
I believe it meant that he was guilty of the killing (meaning no question he killed the person based on the evidence) but found to be insane at the time of the killing based on evidence. Therefore he would appear before a Board who would decide treatment, review, and decision as to how best to treat his insanity and decide how long he would be held in a psychiatric facility and if his condition was treatable. If his condition was deemed to not be treatable he would be kept in the psychiatric facility indefinitely and if treatable a decision would be made at multiple board hearings if and when he could be released.

Thanks Mbshafeena, I do understand that part ... but what i'm confused about is the CCC section that was quoted (sorry, not in front of me right now) indicated that there would be no conviction or sentencing. In Schoenborn's case, there was an actual conviction of Guilty but NCR. It's the "conviction" part i'm having trouble figuring out because it seems to say one thing in the CCC but seems to have played out differently in real life in the Schoenborn matter.
 
I hadn't heard the connection mentioned yet, but the alias LM used when he uploaded the One Lunatic One Ice Pick Discussion video on youtube was Alexis Valoran Reich.

This is the name of a transsexual who is aka John Mark Karr... Karr made a false confession in the Jon Benet Ramsey case.

Alexis Reich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey! you noticed this too, so strange right?!!!
I've asked about it in the thread #10 when other posters where saying that LM could be an hermaphrodite. here goes what I wrote:
"This is just speculation from my part but there is always a possibility that he planned for his future to have a sex change and get a new identity before being found by the police. I came up with this theory because when he promoted the 1lunatic 1ice pick video on youtube, he used an account called "alexisvaloranreich". And according to wikipedia:
"Alexis Valoran Reich (born December 11, 1964) is an American trans woman formerly known as John Mark Karr who in 2006 falsely confessed to the unsolved murder of six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey."
Now this is no evidence and is probably unrelated since he had so many aliases, but I found interesting the youtube nickname choice. "
 
A conviction is only given I believe at the sentencing which did not happen. You can not sentence in this case. The so called "sentence"' for lack of a better word, in this case because of insanity or not criminally .... gives all rights to the Board only and not the court or judge.
 
I once had a neighbour who was seriously into s and m and who delighted in telling (hoping to shock, I think) people all about it. Ironically, when he was hurt through "natural" causes, like a cut or sprain, he complained bitterly and endlessly about the pain.

maybe because when he was hurt by natural causes it was upsetting because he wasn't expecting and couldn't anticipate the pain, control and say stop like in a S&M bondage game. I've heard somewhere that the sexual slave always has the power because he is the one that can say stop to his master.

It's interesting that in several posts Magnotta claims to dream about being gang raped in prison or ask to be raped by a stranger but at the same time he wrote one long post whining that he was raped in a foreign country and had to go to the ER and his mother left him there alone. Do you guys remember those posts? It's so confusing to me because he asks to be raped and then when he is raped he complains... so it could be that when he lacks control, he freaks out. IDK...
 
I forgot to mention this when we found out that LM was apparently on prescribed medication...that one of the many side-effects of at least one of these is weight gain. That is something I do know happens because of my brother-in-law and his meds for his schizophrenia and he put on a lot of weight very quickly. Perhaps my theory that LM was only recently prescribed these drugs by the Geman psychiatrist may prove true or he was not taking them. I do however reiterate that schizophrenics not on meds are VERY agitated and can not function and LM seemed to be able to premeditated by announcing this vid on line two weeks before the actual murder, dispose of body very methologically and purchase an air ticket and make his escape. If that is someone that is not in control of his faculties.....
 
maybe because when he was hurt by natural causes it was upsetting because he wasn't expecting and couldn't anticipate the pay, control and say stop like in a S&M bondage game. I've heard somewhere that the sexual slave always has the power because he is the one that can say stop to his master.

It's interesting that in several posts Magnotta claims to dream about being gang raped in prison or ask to be raped by a stranger but at the same time he wrote one long post whining that he was raped in a foreign country and had to go to the ER and his mother left him there alone. Do you guys remember those posts? It's so confusing to me because he asks to be raped and then when he is raped he complains... so it could be that when he lacks control, he freaks out. IDK...

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psyched/200805/why-do-women-have-erotic-rape-fantasies

Rape fantasy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These articles are more about the women having those thoughts, rather then men. Logical if you consider that there are more women being raped then men. ( and in some cases where men are raped, the police find it hard to believe, cuz it's not as common as women claiming the same )

Maybe you find it an interesting read....
 
Google ''Dom Young Masters Arizona Los Angeles'' and you will get last Christmas Days postings from cutelittlenemo1. I couldn't find these last night.

These very posts are what doesn't let me settle on Hervey Medellins case, even though I know LE has said no link to LRM.
 
Hey! you noticed this too, so strange right?!!!
I've asked about it in the thread #10 when other posters where saying that LM could be an hermaphrodite. here goes what I wrote:
"This is just speculation from my part but there is always a possibility that he planned for his future to have a sex change and get a new identity before being found by the police. I came up with this theory because when he promoted the 1lunatic 1ice pick video on youtube, he used an account called "alexisvaloranreich". And according to wikipedia:
"Alexis Valoran Reich (born December 11, 1964) is an American trans woman formerly known as John Mark Karr who in 2006 falsely confessed to the unsolved murder of six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey."
Now this is no evidence and is probably unrelated since he had so many aliases, but I found interesting the youtube nickname choice. "

Given all the online nicks he had, it's almost impossible to say what he had in mind with each and every one

(a link to remind us of ALL of them)


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However ...

LRM had $$ from somewhere (how much or how little, we don't know). He was going somewhere (Paris>Berlin>???). Was he perhaps enroute to a location where there is someone who specializes in sex change surgery?

Something i find interesting is that in the airport security video, he was sporting his wig, but not when he walked into the cafe where he was subsequently arrested. IMO, he appeared to be dressed conservatively casual, not knowing he was about to be arrested. (We have no indication how he was attired while in Paris). We can surmise that he did not dress in his usual style because he was on the lam, but i have to wonder if he'd just done a big FU to his past life, come to terms with who he "really" was, and decided to even leave the flamboyant disguises in the past as well ... while on his way to becoming the woman/person he always wished he could be?

This is on a slightly different note (and I have not watched the video), but based on others' descriptions of his demeanour, almost strikes me as the curious little boy -- still dissecting living things to thoroughly inspect them, see what makes them tick, see what "normal" really is, because he is "nothing", a nobody, and needs to know what "something" or a somebody really is made up of.

Okay ... call me crazy ;)
 
In regards to this article http://blogs.canada.com/2012/06/23/sandusky-magnotta-williams-homolka-what-is-our-duty/, I couldn't help wondering about some things.

In the past he clearly made some acquaintances and/or friends. Even relationships, not long ones, but still. All those stories discribe "red flag moments". But the stories never revealed whether or not someone took action after those "red flag moments". They simply state " he made jokes about killing animals" or " He suffered from mood swings " (I just took 2 examples, matou contributed a whole list about what has been said, thanks for that ), but there is no word about how the interviewed has reacted on those occassions, other then " yes I found it disdurbing ", " I stopped seeing him ".

A natural reaction when noticing red flags or even danger is: omg, I need to get out of this ASAP. But if you are acquaintances and/or friends with someone for a certain timespan, also a normal reaction is, that you develop a certain feeling of "caring " or
" well-being " for this person, otherwise you wouldn't hang out with them. I keep wondering whether his former acquaintances or friends, reached out a hand. Asking why he felt a certain way or crave fame for example. Or did they simply turned their backs on him, just for their own sake.

Now I don't try to put the blame on anyone here, just some things I was wondering about. Just food for thought basicly.

I really appreciate what you wrote.

From my own experience, when I've dated or befriended folks and came to see more red flags than I would strolling through China, in almost every case after taking the time to reconfirm the flags are indeed red, I have had a discussion with them to tell them it's not the right fit or, in some cases, tell them that I enjoy drama in film but can't deal with drama that make the plotlines in telenovas seem realistic. Bottom line is I move on and if our paths cross I'm always cordial.

From what we understand, the average lifespan of Magnotta's real world relationships was weeks, not months or years. I think it would take a lot more than what those have come forward to share for most people to alert authorities about a person they've only briefly known.

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I once had a neighbour who was seriously into s and m and who delighted in telling (hoping to shock, I think) people all about it. Ironically, when he was hurt through "natural" causes, like a cut or sprain, he complained bitterly and endlessly about the pain.

I think your neighbor sounds like a freak, not because of his fetish but the fact that it was the focus he chose for neighborly small talk.

Did you even have the type of relationship that would cause him to feel like he could be open about such things or was he just some dummy you barely knew that liked to choose the most uncomfortable small talk ever?

:D

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II
 
In regards to this article http://blogs.canada.com/2012/06/23/sandusky-magnotta-williams-homolka-what-is-our-duty/, I couldn't help wondering about some things.

In the past he clearly made some acquaintances and/or friends. Even relationships, not long ones, but still. All those stories discribe "red flag moments". But the stories never revealed whether or not someone took action after those "red flag moments". They simply state " he made jokes about killing animals" or " He suffered from mood swings " (I just took 2 examples, matou contributed a whole list about what has been said, thanks for that ), but there is no word about how the interviewed has reacted on those occassions, other then " yes I found it disdurbing ", " I stopped seeing him ".

A natural reaction when noticing red flags or even danger is: omg, I need to get out of this ASAP. But if you are acquaintances and/or friends with someone for a certain timespan, also a normal reaction is, that you develop a certain feeling of "caring " or
" well-being " for this person, otherwise you wouldn't hang out with them. I keep wondering whether his former acquaintances or friends, reached out a hand. Asking why he felt a certain way or crave fame for example. Or did they simply turned their backs on him, just for their own sake.

Now I don't try to put the blame on anyone here, just some things I was wondering about. Just food for thought basicly.
matou contributed anyone a link?
 
I once had a neighbour who was seriously into s and m and who delighted in telling (hoping to shock, I think) people all about it. Ironically, when he was hurt through "natural" causes, like a cut or sprain, he complained bitterly and endlessly about the pain.
<rs&bbm>

Would that include a neighbour giving him a fast and furious buzz cut with a weed whacker?

;)
 
Shimmer
I think you bought up a really awesome question. In terms of the themes of this thread it is kind of amazing that these themes have not been tossed around yet!

We have missed lifestyle stuff! IMO, mental illness impacts that. I started thinking about this after you mentioned it.. If we go back 10 years LM was, what, 19.

Some sweeping generalizations coming. I am guessing that most of us would be ok with saying there was partying and drugging going on in the *advertiser censored* industry. The ex-lover stated there was a lot of meth. Let’s just go with substance abuse present!

In that setting, P A R TY (!) those “friends” who were with LM were altered themselves and would it be a stretch to conclude that when his mental illness symptomology emerged (agitation, anxiety, depressed, man icky stuff) that the friends he was partying with would conclude hey he’s *advertiser censored*** up.

And let’s be honest here, I doubt any of the participants, while buzzed, are going to say LM is having problems let’s go to the emergency room .You guys know what I am saying. So that wipes out a whole bunch of potential “support systems” to intervene or support him getting help.

Then, if we go to the escort stuff that too is going to be pretty disengaged relationships. Heck I paid you to accompany me to dinner and you start acting odd on me, here is your money plus X for your cab - good night! I am not getting into this guys stuff. So there is another whole element of no authentic support.

We all know the family disengaged a long time ago – huge support system eradicated right there.
I think we all are in agreement that intimacy; trust issues are huge issue for LM so the notion that “claimed” lovers would be a support system is also probably, for all practical purposes nonexistent.

Shimmer , I just do not think there was any one invested in him. However, IMO that does not mean that he is not severly mental ill – it means that both his illiness, and as a result of that , his lifestyle, did not result in relationships that would be supportive.
 
Would that include a neighbour giving him a fast and furious buzz cut with a weed whacker?


Oh my silly, your being silly !
 
These very posts are what doesn't let me settle on Hervey Medellins case, even though I know LE has said no link to LRM.

While I don't think Magnotta is involved in Medellin, I've long been baffled by the complete media blackout from shortly after the initial reporting until Magnotta came along. There were many red flags about the boyfriend and other peripheral figures. Add to the mix that the Zeta's almost always keep their beheadings on the Mexican side of the border; the LAPD explanation sounds like malarkey...

But, I know, I should be saying this on another thread...

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