Hi opalsqueak and welcome from me too. I am so sorry to hear about your sister. I cant begin to imagine the pain such a tragedy must bring. So a huge thank you from me for sharing your experience and thoughts.
GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #4
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Hi opalsqueak and welcome from me too. I am so sorry to hear about your sister. I cant begin to imagine the pain such a tragedy must bring. So a huge thank you from me for sharing your experience and thoughts.
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Re: cause of death which wasn't apparent during post mortem we're told and which led to speculation by investigators that the girl may have been smothered
SH is street-wise, spent time in prison. Could it be that someone has taught him unarmed combat techniques, specifically re: nerve points? Pressure on a vital nerve junction or pinching vital nerves can apparently cause death. No mess, no weapons, no struggle and no post mortem signs of trauma - just pressure or pinching on the nerve centre until brain death. Then maybe, if needed, a cushion over the face for five minutes until bodily death
A thought, anyway
Re: cause of death which wasn't apparent during post mortem we're told and which led to speculation by investigators that the girl may have been smothered
SH is street-wise, spent time in prison. Could it be that someone has taught him unarmed combat techniques, specifically re: nerve points? Pressure on a vital nerve junction or pinching vital nerves can apparently cause death. No mess, no weapons, no struggle and no post mortem signs of trauma - just pressure or pinching on the nerve centre until brain death. Then maybe, if needed, a cushion over the face for five minutes until bodily death
A thought, anyway
sorry but that actually made me laugh, he's a smackhead not 007 lol
and if he was that good at unarmed combat then he wouldn't have been put away for waving a machete about.
i think the cushion/pillow scenario is more likely.
Hi opalsqueak and onthecounter 
So sorry to hear of your loss too opalsqueak and it's really appreciated that you're sharing your experiences with us.
Tia seemed to live something of a transient life - being pushed from relative to relative so perhaps the police won't have found it easy to find where all her belongings were.
I'd like to know at what point they suspected SH as it seems to be a recent police investigative procedure to put recording devices into the houses of suspects (the Shafilea Ahmed & Stephen Lawrence murders spring to mind). I hope they did record the goings on in that house early on so the trial doesn't just have to rely on the post mortem report of Tia's death.
So sorry to hear of your loss too opalsqueak and it's really appreciated that you're sharing your experiences with us.
Tia seemed to live something of a transient life - being pushed from relative to relative so perhaps the police won't have found it easy to find where all her belongings were.
I'd like to know at what point they suspected SH as it seems to be a recent police investigative procedure to put recording devices into the houses of suspects (the Shafilea Ahmed & Stephen Lawrence murders spring to mind). I hope they did record the goings on in that house early on so the trial doesn't just have to rely on the post mortem report of Tia's death.
The latest news from the Mirror (cough)
CS told to keep away from funeral
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tia-sharp-murder-grandmother-christine-1270036
CS told to keep away from funeral
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tia-sharp-murder-grandmother-christine-1270036
Does anybody know if all Twitter times are in US time? I was going to put the first #findtiasharp tweet from MPS as part of the timeline but it states it was at 3.42am on 4th august but not sure if that's UK time or US time.
I'm guessing there'll be a huge police presence at that funeral. The real grandfather PS has said that he doesn't want to speak to CS or NS ever again for letting SH back into their lives.
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Not sure. Just checked #findtiasharp and only one tweet appeared, earlier ones being "unavailable."
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Thank you whatkatydid23 for correcting me, your welcome was lovely. Before that I thought my posts had gone completely ignored, because everyone was welcoming opalsqueek63 but not me. How rude.
Like opalsqueek63, it has taken me a number of days to get registered. I have also taken a keen interest in this case, but have nothing else to add at the current time. I think all bases have been covered!
Sorry to hear about your sister opalsqueek63.
Like opalsqueek63, it has taken me a number of days to get registered. I have also taken a keen interest in this case, but have nothing else to add at the current time. I think all bases have been covered!
Sorry to hear about your sister opalsqueek63.
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Good Morning from another newbie here, finally registered after a few days........delay due to my pc, not the lovely folk at Websleuths.
Like other newbies, I have read all the threads and have followed the * story* since Day One. Most of the points I have thought of have already been covered but there are a few things I would like to add to the mix.
Mobile phone
Is it possible that TS did not have a mobile with her......but after the family decided to report her as missing, it was decided that it would look very bad if it was shown that NS had allowed TS to travel without either an oyster card or a phone. Therefore NSs phone was handed over to SH/CS during the Friday night meeting and the story re the charging of the phone was created.
Perhaps TS phone was simply out of credit and NS either couldnt or wouldnt provide a top up.
Shoes
My opinion is that SH invented the fact that TS was wearing trainers. I believe TS was put into the loft minus any kind of footwear - and then, when the police visited for the first time, the boots were seen in the house, so SH/CS needed a story to explain why they were there.
Unless TS kept trainers or other shoes at CS house, then she only had her Uggs to wear and it was very hot at the beginning of August. Hence the * story* about wanting to buy flip flops, which I think was quite possibly true.
I somehow cant see her wearing Uggs and carrying trainers with her as well, just for a few days at CS house.
Money
I agree with others that SH certainly has a * thing* about money. I doubt there was any money found with TS body or with TS bag ( presuming the bag was found in the house ).
SH was very precise in knowing exactly how much money TS had, talking about how she had £4 from NS, which to me sounded strange. Wouldnt most people just say, she had a fiver or a few pounds from her mother.
Failure to find TS for eight days
Without wishing to be too gruesome, it is a very sad thing to think about, but hasnt SH done time for possession and use of a machete ? So if the police were searching for a body, they might have overlooked a smaller package ?
Like other newbies, I have read all the threads and have followed the * story* since Day One. Most of the points I have thought of have already been covered but there are a few things I would like to add to the mix.
Mobile phone
Is it possible that TS did not have a mobile with her......but after the family decided to report her as missing, it was decided that it would look very bad if it was shown that NS had allowed TS to travel without either an oyster card or a phone. Therefore NSs phone was handed over to SH/CS during the Friday night meeting and the story re the charging of the phone was created.
Perhaps TS phone was simply out of credit and NS either couldnt or wouldnt provide a top up.
Shoes
My opinion is that SH invented the fact that TS was wearing trainers. I believe TS was put into the loft minus any kind of footwear - and then, when the police visited for the first time, the boots were seen in the house, so SH/CS needed a story to explain why they were there.
Unless TS kept trainers or other shoes at CS house, then she only had her Uggs to wear and it was very hot at the beginning of August. Hence the * story* about wanting to buy flip flops, which I think was quite possibly true.
I somehow cant see her wearing Uggs and carrying trainers with her as well, just for a few days at CS house.
Money
I agree with others that SH certainly has a * thing* about money. I doubt there was any money found with TS body or with TS bag ( presuming the bag was found in the house ).
SH was very precise in knowing exactly how much money TS had, talking about how she had £4 from NS, which to me sounded strange. Wouldnt most people just say, she had a fiver or a few pounds from her mother.
Failure to find TS for eight days
Without wishing to be too gruesome, it is a very sad thing to think about, but hasnt SH done time for possession and use of a machete ? So if the police were searching for a body, they might have overlooked a smaller package ?
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It seems a bit unfair that CB (apparently she had reverted to her maiden name long ago and should never have been called CS in the media at all) is prevented from attending the funeral of a granddaughter she probably adored and for whom so far there is not even enough evidence to charge her with anything in relation to. We may think she looks guilty, but if the police had evidence other than just the same feeling of "surely she must have know something" that we have, she'd not be out on bail till october.
I do wish lynch mobs would STFU and let the law behave in the correct legal way.
I do wish lynch mobs would STFU and let the law behave in the correct legal way.
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What's CS's maiden name? I'll include it in the tags.
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Found it! Christine Bicknell.
n.b. I can only add two more tags before I reach my limit so if anyone can help if we have new info - names, places, situations which can be summed up briefly, etc., please post them in #tags (below)
There was some discussion in the previous thread as to how quickly the missing flyers were produced and some suspicion surrounding that.
It seems that the production of the missing flyers was co-ordinated by the New Addington Pathfinders organisation.
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19183228
The New Addington Pathfinders have an FB page and it seems that local residents and businesses were helping to produce the flyers. Some businesses opening on Sunday 5th for that reason alone.
It seems that the production of the missing flyers was co-ordinated by the New Addington Pathfinders organisation.
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19183228
The New Addington Pathfinders have an FB page and it seems that local residents and businesses were helping to produce the flyers. Some businesses opening on Sunday 5th for that reason alone.
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Yeah she refers to herself as Christine Bicknell, that's who she is on Facebook too.
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Some of you lovely people are much better human beings than I. I am struggling to find compassion for Gran.
I am certain she probably did love Tia but I cannot reconcile that with my belief she essentially served Tia up to her murderer on a silver platter. SH was allowed unrestricted, unchecked access to a 12 year old girl.
I am certain she probably did love Tia but I cannot reconcile that with my belief she essentially served Tia up to her murderer on a silver platter. SH was allowed unrestricted, unchecked access to a 12 year old girl.
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Hi, I'm new here. Thanks to the lovely people at WS for sorting out my login problems.
I've followed all the posts re Tia Sharp.
I lived in a neighbourhood similar to New Addington for a while before I was lucky enough to be able to move out. My experience of these types of estates are that they are very close knit, people are very suspicious and openly distrustful of the police. Children in these areas are street smart and tough, and given much more freedom to roam than what I would declare as normal.
I suspected SH from day 1 of Tia being reported missing. I think people may be crediting him with far too much intelligence. I would suggest the simplest story is probably the most accurate. That he killed Tia and hid her body, perhaps with the help of CS.
I don't suspect that DS had any involvement. He was probably the most articulate of the family. PS stated in the paper that DS was going to bring Tia up to spend some holiday time with him and his daughter Danielle, so I think DS genuinely cared for Tia.
When SH gave his interview with the criminologist and got the fair location mixed up I think DS corrected him because SH and CS had told him the location they had looked at, rather than DS being complicit in lying about the fair.
Families, however tenuous the links (I.e. step parents, current partners, etc) tend to be thicker than thieves in areas like New Addington, and will defend them to stupid lengths. DS was probably just doing that when he defended SH online. He's probably feeling very very differently now.
I don't think NS and DN had any involvement and were probably kept out of the limelight by the police as they were not under any suspicion. The fact that NS has had several partners, SH, DN, another who was reported for assaulting her etc in Tia's lifetime is nothing unusual for that type of family either.
I feel extremely sorry that Tia appears to have had such a tough, transient life.
I've followed all the posts re Tia Sharp.
I lived in a neighbourhood similar to New Addington for a while before I was lucky enough to be able to move out. My experience of these types of estates are that they are very close knit, people are very suspicious and openly distrustful of the police. Children in these areas are street smart and tough, and given much more freedom to roam than what I would declare as normal.
I suspected SH from day 1 of Tia being reported missing. I think people may be crediting him with far too much intelligence. I would suggest the simplest story is probably the most accurate. That he killed Tia and hid her body, perhaps with the help of CS.
I don't suspect that DS had any involvement. He was probably the most articulate of the family. PS stated in the paper that DS was going to bring Tia up to spend some holiday time with him and his daughter Danielle, so I think DS genuinely cared for Tia.
When SH gave his interview with the criminologist and got the fair location mixed up I think DS corrected him because SH and CS had told him the location they had looked at, rather than DS being complicit in lying about the fair.
Families, however tenuous the links (I.e. step parents, current partners, etc) tend to be thicker than thieves in areas like New Addington, and will defend them to stupid lengths. DS was probably just doing that when he defended SH online. He's probably feeling very very differently now.
I don't think NS and DN had any involvement and were probably kept out of the limelight by the police as they were not under any suspicion. The fact that NS has had several partners, SH, DN, another who was reported for assaulting her etc in Tia's lifetime is nothing unusual for that type of family either.
I feel extremely sorry that Tia appears to have had such a tough, transient life.
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Hi opalsqueak and onthecounter
I'd like to know at what point they suspected SH as it seems to be a recent police investigative procedure to put recording devices into the houses of suspects (the Shafilea Ahmed & Stephen Lawrence murders spring to mind). I hope they did record the goings on in that house early on so the trial doesn't just have to rely on the post mortem report of Tia's death.
Hi Kaos. How interesting - that had not occurred to me. I wonder if they did the same in NS house as well, and whether they need a warrant to do that....
They should be in sync with your computer/browser times. I see all the times correctly on Twitter. So 3.42am is probably correct GMT time
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Actually, I think you might have something there! There was a media report on 11/8/12 which mentioned that SH had an alias which is actually the name of a specialist martial art. (The one that Bruce Lee designed - I won't name it here) All reference to that has been pulled from the internet now - the only trace that now exists is on another forum.
Several years ago, I worked with drug-addicted homeless young criminals for a while after they had been released from prison. I was amazed how many of them knew about, and could practice, advanced martial arts.
It is quite possible to kill somebody very easily and fast if you know what you are doing. If you have had a lot to drink say, and you lost your temper, if you employed certain techniques, you could kill someone without actually meaning to...
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