What happened to Lisa Irwin?

[partyuv5]

Last fall I went to the dollar general store with my grand-daughter (2)...as I am checking out...there is baby Lisa's mom and the boys right in front of me. My grand daughter is throwing a fit cuz she wants candy blah blah blah..and that is just what she does... Deborah never once looked at me or my grand daughter to see if that was could be her child how do you not look at a child throwing a tantrum right behind you? That's when I knew this innocient child was no longer with us.

[partyuv5]

And when I posted this story on fb "lisa irwin updates" I was attack...people saying I was hiding something....and the police should check me out! I got scared. I jst want her found.

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Originally Posted by partyuv5

Last fall I went to the dollar general store with my grand-daughter (2)...as I am checking out...there is baby Lisa's mom and the boys right in front of me. My grand daughter is throwing a fit cuz she wants candy blah blah blah..and that is just what she does... Deborah never once looked at me or my grand daughter to see if that was could be her child how do you not look at a child throwing a tantrum right behind you? That's when I knew this innocient child was no longer with us.

Just curious, have you been verified on WS as a local?

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by partyuv5

Last fall I went to the dollar general store with my grand-daughter (2)...as I am checking out...there is baby Lisa's mom and the boys right in front of me. My grand daughter is throwing a fit cuz she wants candy blah blah blah..and that is just what she does... Deborah never once looked at me or my grand daughter to see if that was could be her child how do you not look at a child throwing a tantrum right behind you? That's when I knew this innocient child was no longer with us.

You think she wuld be checking out every child. But then again, why bother!

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by partyuv5

And when I posted this story on fb "lisa irwin updates" I was attack...people saying I was hiding something....and the police should check me out! I got scared. I jst want her found.

People attacking you on FB, really. Gosh, I wonder who!

[partyuv5]

Originally Posted by Dewey2Me1MoThyme

Just curious, have you been verified on WS as a local?

No I have not been verified...I don't get on here much but have no problem if someone from WS wants to verify where I live. I am approx 2 miles from BL home.

[SweetT]

Originally Posted by partyuv5

Last fall I went to the dollar general store with my grand-daughter (2)...as I am checking out...there is baby Lisa's mom and the boys right in front of me. My grand daughter is throwing a fit cuz she wants candy blah blah blah..and that is just what she does... Deborah never once looked at me or my grand daughter to see if that was could be her child how do you not look at a child throwing a tantrum right behind you? That's when I knew this innocient child was no longer with us.

I am in no way defending this lady but perhaps its possible she had seen you and your grand daughter already in the store and knew it wasn't possibly her daughter. Does your grand baby look anything like Lisa? Just curious. I mean if it were me yes I would be checking every baby face I could but if I was missing my child and I had seen your baby already and discounted it I may not look back when she is throwing a tantrum.

[Justiceforever]

Originally Posted by passionflower

I voted an accident and people helped in a cover up.
JMOO drunk adults, unsupervised children............

I agree with you %100!

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I believe she was taken. I don't know why or by whom but I do believe she was taken.

[Cat Lover]

I'm on the fence about what happened to baby Lisa. Someone may have taken her. Things have happened like that before.

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by Cat Lover

I'm on the fence about what happened to baby Lisa. Someone may have taken her. Things have happened like that before.

Right, and that is why the parents are so pro-active in finding her, respectfully saying, and JMO.

[chissus]

No one kidnapped that child. And people call 911 when there is an accident. She was abused to death.

[Jacie Estes]

Originally Posted by chissus

No one kidnapped that child. And people call 911 when there is an accident. She was abused to death.

Pictures of Lisa did not show abuse. IMHO

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by Jacie Estes

Pictures of Lisa did not show abuse. IMHO

You're right, Every picture looked as though she was well fed, clean, and dressed in very cute clothes. She looked healthy and happy. But something happened that night. Some horrible abuse or accident happened that fateful night to that dear little baby and she had to be discarded. MO

[sam floor]

I think the police dropped the ball. They did like LEOs everywhere and only considered the family as suspects, even tho there were witnesses who saw someone carry a baby away. This happens again and again.

[cheko1]

I've always thought baby Lisa is in the landfill. DB over dosed her. The parents are responsible for that baby! Any parent who wouldn't co- operate with LE is guilty in my eyes. Why would they not do EVERYTHING they could to bring her home?

I've had bad vibes about Baby Lisa since this happened. My heart breaks over this case. DB what did you do with her????

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't know why people are so sure about her not being taken. It happens more and more there is a sighting of a guy carrying the baby.. There is that guy on video. I think that she was taken by someone.

People want to blame the parents because that is the easiest thing to do. It is the safest way for this to end rather than believe someone stole her and she was never seen again. But I am in the camp of, UNTIL you can prove a parent hurt their child, Have evidence that a parent hurt that child, You don't blame the parents. You just don't.

It is not Casey Anthony. Who lied for 30 days and had a car that smelled like a dead body..

These people reported her missing asap.

I think of all the people that were falsely accused of doing something to their own child, Mark Klaas, the Smarts, Jessica L. From florida's dad.. I think about how far the police went to try and frame the Aisenbergs....

I just think you don't blame parents until you have proof.

I don't understand how people can be sure without actual evidence.

[4Jacy]

Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta

I don't know why people are so sure about her not being taken. It happens more and more there is a sighting of a guy carrying the baby.. There is that guy on video. I think that she was taken by someone.

People want to blame the parents because that is the easiest thing to do. It is the safest way for this to end rather than believe someone stole her and she was never seen again. But I am in the camp of, UNTIL you can prove a parent hurt their child, Have evidence that a parent hurt that child, You don't blame the parents. You just don't.

It is not Casey Anthony. Who lied for 30 days and had a car that smelled like a dead body..

These people reported her missing asap.

I think of all the people that were falsely accused of doing something to their own child, Mark Klaas, the Smarts, Jessica L. From florida's dad.. I think about how far the police went to try and frame the Aisenbergs....

I just think you don't blame parents until you have proof.

I don't understand how people can be sure without actual evidence.

Okay, understood. Just tell me why they would not talk separately with LE??

[JenWilkersonseeker]

Originally Posted by ScarlettScarpetta

I don't know why people are so sure about her not being taken. It happens more and more there is a sighting of a guy carrying the baby.. There is that guy on video. I think that she was taken by someone.

People want to blame the parents because that is the easiest thing to do. It is the safest way for this to end rather than believe someone stole her and she was never seen again. But I am in the camp of, UNTIL you can prove a parent hurt their child, Have evidence that a parent hurt that child, You don't blame the parents. You just don't.

It is not Casey Anthony. Who lied for 30 days and had a car that smelled like a dead body..

These people reported her missing asap.

I think of all the people that were falsely accused of doing something to their own child, Mark Klaas, the Smarts, Jessica L. From florida's dad.. I think about how far the police went to try and frame the Aisenbergs....

I just think you don't blame parents until you have proof.

I don't understand how people can be sure without actual evidence.

Oh, please, let me take this one! There is actual evidence, and there is A TON of circumstantial evidence. I'm going to start with the actual evidence, because I have a feeling that it is what you need to hear. Keeping in mind that 334 no body cases have been prosecuted since 1819 despite being largely circumstantial in terms of evidence, I believe that there is enough evidence to convict them with what prosecutors already have...unless they get stuck with a "CA-type" jury. So- the physical evidence: Picerno said that JI tried to call home that evening to let DB know that he would be late, but the call went to the phones service center and gave him a recording that told him that the phones were not in service. However, according to both Picerno and the phone company, the phones were able to receive incoming calls. That means that JI used one of the redlined (and reportedly stolen) phones to make that phone call, which means that the phones were not stolen, since he had it at work. (If he had used any other phone to make that call, it would have been an "incoming" call to DB, and the call would have gone through.) Now, the cadaver dog hit. Defense attorney's argue that the dogs hit on dirty diapers and toenail clippings- this is simply not the case. There are six types of service dogs in use in the US for this type of work:
Search Dog
A non-specific term referring to a canine trained for any type of searching based upon visual, olfactory, or auditory clues.

Tracking Dog
A canine with the specific ability and training to track and locate a specific human on the basis of scent.

Air-Scent Dog
A canine with the ability and training to locate the presence of a human in a particular area. This is the standard for dogs used in wilderness search for lost persons

Cadaver Dog
A narrow term, used in a search-and-rescue context, to indicate a canine primarily trained as a tracking or air-scent dog that has also received cross training in the location of dead human bodies.

Decomp Dog
A term used to describe a canine that will indicate when a scent source is human tissue, blood, semen, urine, feces, and materials that have been handled and worn by humans; often cross trained for other purposes.

Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper)
A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.

The dog used in the search of the house was most assuredly a Forensic Search Dog- because the FBI was involved in the case by then, and would not have made the mistake of using the wrong kind of dog in such a high profile case. Guaranteed. And they will be able to prove that in court. The dog indicated that a death occured in that house, so a death most definitely occurred in that house. Then the defense will argue that carpet was not taken from the search, which is debatable, but not necessary to debate, because what they did take was a comforter and a cars-themed blanket, which indicates to a reasonable person that the scent came from one of those.
To be continued.......

[JenWilkersonseeker]

To continue:
There are witnesses. Eventually, they will be ready to do the right thing for Lisa, and testify to what they saw or heard, either that night or after. I would be willing to lay odds that JI will be the one to eventually make the first move- Lisa was his daughter after all, and most of the circumstancial evidence points to him being an accessory after the fact, which makes a plea deal a possibility.
The police took bags and bags of evidence from the house, not just on the day of the big search. The computer likely had some evidence on it, or they would have given it back by now. If they had given it back, surely DB and JI would have posted more recent pics of Lisa by now, if they truly wanted her found- most of the pics they had were when she was much younger, and they claimed that was because the police had their computer where ALL of her pics were stored.
Now- your question about the BP video: The man in that video was empty handed. The police determined that it was likely unrelated to the case. If you ignore that one, and only pay attention to the other two witnesses who saw a man carrying a mostly naked baby- I am in the rare minority that believe them- but I do not believe that the baby was alive at the time. Despite Mike Thompson's claim that the baby appeared to him to be alive, I believe they witness the body disposal. (I feel like I need to apologize for saying that- not exactly sure why, but it does leave a definite bad taste in my fingertips.) MT made the claim that she appeared to be alive WEEKS after coming forward, which was nearly a week after Lisa disappeared. I cannot even guess why that statement came up so long after his initial statement. The other witnesses (the married couple who live right around the corner) seem credible to me, so the only way that I can reconcile what they saw with what the cadaver dog smelled is, again, a body disposal.
To be continued... (again)

[JenWilkersonseeker]

I don't blame the parents because it's "the easiest thing to do." It is not. To know that a mother can give birth to the most precious thing in existence on this planet and then in a single moment end that life is not easy. It hurts. As the mother of a child barely older than Lisa, who looks so much like her, it is really hard to imagine ever hurting her. Really hard. But I rarely drink, and I don't take any medications that, when taken with alcohol, can lead to "rage, "Benzodiazepines, a class of psychoactive drugs called the "minor" tranquilizers, have varying hypnotic, sedative, anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, and muscle relaxing properties, but they may create the exact opposite effects. Susceptible individuals may respond to benzodiazepine treatment with an increase in anxiety, aggressiveness, agitation, confusion, disinhibition, loss of impulse control, talkativeness, violent behavior, and even convulsions. Paradoxical adverse effects may even lead to criminal behaviour.[2] Severe behavioral changes resulting from benzodiazepines have been reported including mania, schizophrenia, anger, impulsivity, and hypomania.[3]"
Perhaps knowing that she was taking similar medications that react adversely to alcohol helps me to understand why and how it likely happened, but no, it definitely doesn't make it easy to accept. I won't accept it, and I will fight for justice for Lisa until it happens.

[JenWilkersonseeker]

I just want to add that even if there was a kidnapping, Deborah Bradley IS NOT innocent in this. She was not watching or checking on her dependent, sick, 10 month old baby AT ALL during her 9-10 hours of me time. Not ONCE! She was neglectful, and the evidence of that came out of her own mouth.