PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #9

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Could RFG just have been "soft" on child sexual abuse issues? He just didn't think they were worthy of prosecution?[/QUOTE]


I don't think so. Didn't he have something to do with the "sting" operation at the boy's home? It seemed like the people who were investigating were doing all the right things...until, all of a sudden, they weren't.

It really seems to me that a powerful person, or persons, pressured him to back off... I've been reading on the internet that Spanier is linked to the Nebraska Franklin scandal, as are powerful Republicans...there was a recent article that the rumor about the Second Mile "pimping out boys to rich donors" may actually be true (Bucceroni, http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116). Maybe it's not about protecting the football program, or even PSU, but protecting the Second Mile, so that rich and/or powerful men could continue their "fun," while keeping their reputations intact.
 
I don't think so. Didn't he have something to do with the "sting" operation at the boy's home? It seemed like the people who were investigating were doing all the right things...until, all of a sudden, they weren't.

It really seems to me that a powerful person, or persons, pressured him to back off... I've been reading on the internet that Spanier is linked to the Nebraska Franklin scandal, as are powerful Republicans...there was a recent article that the rumor about the Second Mile "pimping out boys to rich donors" may actually be true (Bucceroni, http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116). Maybe it's not about protecting the football program, or even PSU, but protecting the Second Mile, so that rich and/or powerful men could continue their "fun," while keeping their reputations intact.

Well, I'm not sure RFG was protecting anyone.

I also can't think of too many cases, that I've read about, where RFG prosecuted abuse cases, unless they involved a death.

I'm also not sure that the sting was RFG's idea; Schreffler said he planned it.
 
Very interesting, but it is a tenuous link. Being related to someone who had contact with Paterno isn't too strong.

I did find some web references to Lauro being a football player in college, but not at Penn State. His spouse may have, but that is still tenuous.

I found a document that listed Jerry Lauro as the second string quarterback on New Castle high school's 1970 state championship team. He attended a small division II school in 1971. I think it goes without saying that he would have liked to played at Penn State. What high school football player from PA doesn't?

Also, I found an additional two players who played for both Paterno and Lauro's uncle. I agree it's not evidence of a strong connection. I don't suspect Lauro of anything nefarious. But I could see him being a little starstruck investigating Sandusky, a football hero from the Pittsburgh era (New Castle is about 60 miles from Washington, PA, according to Mapquest).

I'm attempting to find some reason for his less than stellar investigation of Sandusky. Chambers was able to peg Sandusky as a possible pedophile without having even interviewed him. I know Lauro is not as educated as Chambers, but I would have expected him to have performed better than he did.
 
The problems that have with 1998 are these:

1. This was clearly a strong enough case to prosecute.

2. The way the case was handled, removing Arnold, and not getting the non-admissible reports to Lauro just wasn't the way it was done normally.

3. There doesn't seem to have been any pressure, or any moderately good reason, for PSU to pressure Gricar.

4. There is no evidence Gricar was paid off. Further, it wasn't too logical for PSU to pay it off, and there is no indication that Sandusky knew he was being investigated until confronted by Lauro and Schreffler.

1 and 2 strongly point to 3 or 4, but there is no evidence 3 or 4 happened.

Could RFG just have been "soft" on child sexual abuse issues? He just didn't think they were worthy of prosecution?

I have to believe that Mr. Gricar was soft on this case. I believe that PSU is the very reason he didn't prosecute. He had enough evidence. In my opinion his office, with or without him should be investigated. Period. JKA -was silent for a reason...
 
I found a document that listed Jerry Lauro as the second string quarterback on New Castle high school's 1970 state championship team. He attended a small division II school in 1971. I think it goes without saying that he would have liked to played at Penn State. What high school football player from PA doesn't?

Also, I found an additional two players who played for both Paterno and Lauro's uncle. I agree it's not evidence of a strong connection. I don't suspect Lauro of anything nefarious. But I could see him being a little starstruck investigating Sandusky, a football hero from the Pittsburgh era (New Castle is about 60 miles from Washington, PA, according to Mapquest).

I'm attempting to find some reason for his less than stellar investigation of Sandusky. Chambers was able to peg Sandusky as a possible pedophile without having even interviewed him. I know Lauro is not as educated as Chambers, but I would have expected him to have performed better than he did.


There are two New Castles, one around Pittsburgh, and one north of Reading. I'm not sure which one Lauro was from.

I'm retired from DPW, public assistance, and I can say that if their division was like our division, I could easily see a screw up this badly. Beyond question.

Lauro, however, has an MPA from Penn, so he's not a complete idiot. He was also a supervisor, which means his work and test scores were good. I have not seen any real connection with Penn State or any of the principal players.

Lauro seemed to be waiting for the DA to prosecute. Maybe he wanted cover?
 
I have to believe that Mr. Gricar was soft on this case. I believe that PSU is the very reason he didn't prosecute. He had enough evidence. In my opinion his office, with or without him should be investigated. Period. JKA -was silent for a reason...

What I was thinking was that RFG would prosecute a case at the drop of a hat, if it involved a death. He had cases that it was absolutely clear no Centre County jury would convict, but they involved deaths.

I am wondering it he was just more focused on those, considered them more serious, than on child abuse cases. In this case, the 1998 was so strong that I just can't see him passing on it or not investigating it further.

As I said previously, there is no evidence anyone a PSU put pressure on him, and they were looking at easing Sandusky out. There is zero evidence of bribery.
 
What I was thinking was that RFG would prosecute a case at the drop of a hat, if it involved a death. He had cases that it was absolutely clear no Centre County jury would convict, but they involved deaths.

I am wondering it he was just more focused on those, considered them more serious, than on child abuse cases. In this case, the 1998 was so strong that I just can't see him passing on it or not investigating it further.

As I said previously, there is no evidence anyone a PSU put pressure on him, and they were looking at easing Sandusky out. There is zero evidence of bribery.

The pressure would not be direct. The pressure would come from the reaction of those "crazy football fans." I think the same could be said for Lauro's decision. Both men might have been looking for the slightest reason not to press the case further. For RFG, it was the Seasock report; for Lauro, it was the DA's decision not to prosecute.

I'm not saying that is what happened. I'm just saying I find that scenario very plausible.
 
The pressure would not be direct. The pressure would come from the reaction of those "crazy football fans." I think the same could be said for Lauro's decision. Both men might have been looking for the slightest reason not to press the case further. For RFG, it was the Seasock report; for Lauro, it was the DA's decision not to prosecute.

I'm not saying that is what happened. I'm just saying I find that scenario very plausible.

Possible, but I hate to think RFG was that weak willed. It still wouldn't explain why RFG didn't keep a file open and prosecute later. Further, Seasock wasn't a psychologist at the time (and RFG should have checked), RFG never put too much stock in psychologists, and neither report was admissible in court. Basing his decision on the Seasock report, and not the Chambers report would have been a horrific collapse of judgment, on so many levels.

It seems to have been the New Castle outside of Pittsburgh.
 
Some former PSU players are now appealing the NCAA sanctions.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ny-lions-players-intend-appeal-ncaa-sanctions


Interesting that one of them is Anwar Phillips, who RFG prosecuted for a sexual assault in 2003. He was acquited of the charges.

While the case was pending. Phillips was expelled from PSU for 2 semesters in 12/2002. Paterno allowed him to play in the bowl game since the semester for which he was to be expelled hadn't started yet.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/football/ncaa/08/26/bc.fbc.pennst.phillips.ap/index.html

Maybe he's taking part in the appeal because he feels he owes it to Paterno.
 
There are two New Castles, one around Pittsburgh, and one north of Reading. I'm not sure which one Lauro was from.

I'm retired from DPW, public assistance, and I can say that if their division was like our division, I could easily see a screw up this badly. Beyond question.

Lauro, however, has an MPA from Penn, so he's not a complete idiot. He was also a supervisor, which means his work and test scores were good. I have not seen any real connection with Penn State or any of the principal players.

Lauro seemed to be waiting for the DA to prosecute. Maybe he wanted cover?

I also work in public assistance. Things are very chaotic in my agency, and unfortuately, screw-ups are a daily occurrence.
 
While looking into the Phillips matter, I discovered this address by Spanier:

http://live.psu.edu/story/2667


Spanier apparently didn't mind challenging Paterno over a matter of sexual abuse of a woman... why did he have a problem with challenging Paterno over sexual abuse of children?

Also, to throw in another tidbit I discovered tonight... Dr. Dranov, the boss of Mike McQueary's father, who advised Mike to report the shower incident to Paterno, and who testified at the Curley/Schultz grand jury and also at the Sandusky trial... was Paterno's physican for over 10 years after the shower incident, was with Paterno in his final days, and signed his death certificate - yet he allegedly never discussed the shower incident with Paterno...I find this to be another strange thing in this twisted story.

http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/story11/07-10-2012_penn-st-abuse-report
 
In some ways, Paterno had a point with Phillips. The case was weak, and the expulsion had not started. Phillips was properly a student, not currently under a disciplinary suspension.

I can also understand Dr. Dranov a bit. That was a personal matter, and his relationship with Paterno was professional. McQueary did not clearly describe what he had seen, according to Dranov's testimony.
 
The ugly rumor rears its head again:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57491185/feds-probe-possible-sandusky-child-*advertiser censored*-ring/?tag=storyMediaBox;postSpecialReport

It does mention no evidence of a "ring," although a less reputable site, www.radaronline.com, suggests there might be one.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...hild-abuse-new-sandusky-investigation-booster

Then, there's this:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/201..._1_second-mile-jerry-sandusky-barnaby-wittels

And, one more. Just because.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_three_men.html
 
None of those are linked to RFG, but we will no doubt hear the "Ray-in-gay-because-he-drove-Mini" again.
 
Yes, no direct link to Mr. Gricar, but more implications that there was something much larger going on, something that involved powerful people who might have a lot to lose if Sandusky got busted and more things were discovered. People who might be able to make a man disappear. Is there anything to it?? I don't pretend to know. Like many here, I think it would be nice to have resolution, even if this ugly situation gets even uglier.
 
At least 3 PSU professors have been linked to pedophilia, from the 1970's and
1980's, or more recently. I don't know when Gricar first joined the DA's office, but he might have known about Lasaga...

http://articles.courant.com/2000-05...tiser censored*-antonio-lasaga-polygraph-test

http://climateaudit.org/2011/11/14/lasaga-yale-and-penn-state/

Notice how other PSU professors defend him.


http://articles.philly.com/2005-02-02/news/25446327_1_sexual-abuse-child-sexual-abuse-autism

http://abcnews.go.com/US/victim-pen...university-professor/story?id=14960575&page=2


https://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/tag/kenneth-kyle/

Regarding the last one, be sure to read the part about leaving a tenured job at PSU for a non-tenured job in CA.
 
What I was thinking was that RFG would prosecute a case at the drop of a hat, if it involved a death. He had cases that it was absolutely clear no Centre County jury would convict, but they involved deaths.

I am wondering it he was just more focused on those, considered them more serious, than on child abuse cases. In this case, the 1998 was so strong that I just can't see him passing on it or not investigating it further.

As I said previously, there is no evidence anyone a PSU put pressure on him, and they were looking at easing Sandusky out. There is zero evidence of bribery.

Maybe like Mr. Ray Gricar, the evidence of bribery vanished with him?! I can't believe that a man who was known to be a great advocate for battered women, would simply ignore a case like this!! jmo of course
 
Maybe like Mr. Ray Gricar, the evidence of bribery vanished with him?! I can't believe that a man who was known to be a great advocate for battered women, would simply ignore a case like this!! jmo of course

It would be difficult to move any large amount of money. If you give me $25 K in cash, and I attempt to deposit it, it would generate reporting to the Treasury.
 
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