TX - Jesus Mora Flores, 47, caught molesting child, beaten to death, 2012

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longtallcold said:
Unsure if original intent was directed to be confrontational, however, I appreciate your explanation!

My only argument will be this: every state should have the castle domain law! If I can't protect my family then what next?
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I think every state has a version of that. :waitasec: I'm not positive though.

Tugela said:
You guys are assuming of course that the victim actually WAS molesting this guy's daughter, and he isn't just saying this to justify the killing.
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The little girl was taken to the hospital, the Sheriff said the father was very upset he killed a man, and nothing has come out to dispute any of this, so far. I think it probably went down the way it's described. JMO
 
I'm not assuming this happened - this news came after the child went to the hospital and LE investigated. It appears to be LE's version that the dead guy was molesting the child.

I don't find the dead guy to be a victim either - he died while committing a crime.
 
This father only did what every one of us and probably nearly every parent on the planet SAYS they would do. One less baby raper...I really can't be sorry about that. And as for the father being remorseful....doubt it. The article says he is, and for his own well-being it would be appropriate to ACT remorseful, but I kinda doubt remorse is what he's feeling. He is probably sick that his daughter had to watch him kill someone though. That would be hard to live with. But seriously, would I be remorseful? I highly doubt it.

This kind of protective instinct is what parents are supposed to possess! Look at any animal other than human. If a child is threatened, the parent kicks butt. I don't know why we read about so many parents on here who don't lift a finger to protect their children.

Give him a medal and advertise it well. Maybe the next pedo will think twice about messing with someone else's little girl.
 
while i agree this guy should be given a medal i also think they need to make sure that people know this isn't the correct way to handle something like this. it seems the guy had no choice but to respond instantly. i totally understand that. but others need to know that IF at all possible it can be handled by having LE taking care of it, do so.

i feel for this father and his daughter. i was in similar situation when my oldest daughter was molested at 5. that was the hardest day in my life. i left my kids with their father and while i was gone another friend came over and ex hubby had a chance to go to the casino in atlantic city. this was back when they were first built. he left the girls with another friend of ours we had known for years. when i came home i was walking up the path to the door and could barely take each step. something felt wrong, it was like you could cut the air with a knife. i quietly went in the house and called out to my hubby...thinking he was there, not knowing he went out. our friend opened the bathroom door and slipped my daughter out through the door. something didn't feel right to me. when he came out i had to act like everything was okay and i didn't suspect anything. i knew i had to talk to my daughter and couldn't until the next morning. i also knew i had to keep him there so i knew where he was. when hubby came home i couldn't even tell him because i knew he would have handled it the way this guy did.

the next morning i walked my daughter to school and talked with her found out what happened and promptly went to police station and told them. they arrested him.

i've left some details out because even now its still hard to think about and also because this post is long enough.

my point IS, i was able to handle it differently...i do not blame anyone for not being able to handle things the way i did. believe me i wanted to beat the guy within every inch of his life.
 
Flutterby80 said:
This father only did what every one of us and probably nearly every parent on the planet SAYS they would do. One less baby raper...I really can't be sorry about that. And as for the father being remorseful....doubt it. The article says he is, and for his own well-being it would be appropriate to ACT remorseful, but I kinda doubt remorse is what he's feeling. He is probably sick that his daughter had to watch him kill someone though. That would be hard to live with. But seriously, would I be remorseful? I highly doubt it.

This kind of protective instinct is what parents are supposed to possess! Look at any animal other than human. If a child is threatened, the parent kicks butt. I don't know why we read about so many parents on here who don't lift a finger to protect their children.

Give him a medal and advertise it well. Maybe the next pedo will think twice about messing with someone else's little girl.
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I find it easy to believe that he'd be remorseful. Killing another human being isn't an easy thing (mentally) to do. JMO
 
Steely Dan said:
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/...ters_Alleged_Attacker_To_Death_158452895.html

...He said a grand jury will decide what, if any, charges the father will face.

That's how it should be, IMO. Let a grand jury decide. IMO, no killing should circumvent a grand jury. Cops shouldn't be deciding on their own. if things are as they said, then I don't think the grand jury will indict.
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Again, this is TX. I don't think what the father did is illegal under TX laws. If this was some other state sure the guy could be looking at charges (whether we think it was justifiable or not). But TX? I don't think so.
 
Tugela said:
You guys are assuming of course that the victim actually WAS molesting this guy's daughter, and he isn't just saying this to justify the killing.
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Steely Dan said:
I think every state has a version of that. :waitasec: I'm not positive though.

The little girl was taken to the hospital, the Sheriff said the father was very upset he killed a man, and nothing has come out to dispute any of this, so far. I think it probably went down the way it's described. JMO
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Not only that, but this happened at a party. Apparently, dad walked into the house or a room and found the guy doing this. There may have been other witnesses. But even if not, it makes no sense that he would murder someone in a house full of people. Did anyone see fighting beforehand? Does anyone know of any negative history between them? Apparently not because LE seemed sympathetic and the child was taken to the hospital so it appears something did happen to her.
 
Steely Dan said:
I think every state has a version of that. :waitasec: I'm not positive though.



The little girl was taken to the hospital, the Sheriff said the father was very upset he killed a man, and nothing has come out to dispute any of this, so far. I think it probably went down the way it's described. JMO
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If there is an accusation of molestation of course she was taken to a hospital....that is standard procedure for an underage person. I would expect that. That alone does not automatically mean that the dad"s story is correct. This is a tricky situation-its not open and shut. The key parts will be the doctor's reporting and DNA testing, which may not be heard about until the GJ meets. If that evidence backs up
Dad's story then definitely i feel he was justified.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/11/justice/texas-abuser-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The girl was left inside the family's house during the social gathering, while other members of her family were tending to horses, the sheriff said.

The alleged abuser was known for his horse-grooming abilities, Harmon said.

The father returned to the house, caught the man in the act, and stopped him by striking him in the head several times, Harmon said.

bbm
 
athy said:
while i agree this guy should be given a medal i also think they need to make sure that people know this isn't the correct way to handle something like this. it seems the guy had no choice but to respond instantly. i totally understand that. but others need to know that IF at all possible it can be handled by having LE taking care of it, do so.
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Snipped for space and to leave the portion I am replying too.

If I had walked in on this, then the main problem I have with letting LE take care of it is that our justice system is terribly flawed.
*LE will arrest, but will the judge set a low bail and then the perp is on the streets until trial?
*How long until the trial? We say justice is speedy, but rarely is it speedy.
*In the meantime, waiting for trial, the child would hopefully be receiving counseling, BUT then when the trial starts (usually several years later) the child has to relive it all and testify on the stand, while facing the monster who hurt the child.
*Then jury or judge would need to have enough sense to convict. Sadly this is often lacking.
*Finally sentcing would need to be appropriate, how often do we see offenders get a slap on the wrist and a RSO label? Too often IMO.

Above are some reasons why I think what dad did was 100% justified and why I would have done the same. Though I am sure Dad did not stop and think these through on that tragic day.

(Btw Athy, I am so so sorry this happened to your child and I am in no way critizing your handling of your own personal experience with a monster)
 
I say do NOT charge the father!!!!!!!!!:moo::moo:

I went through it with my DD i did not witness it only found out 2 years after i divorced the scum....I struggled with wanting to kill him but i have a lifetime restaining order and he was incarcerated when i found out so it was impossible...My DD got counseling and now is a wonderful mom of my GD and soon to be grandson(due July)....As for ex he is in Texas with the tate paying for his cot and 3 meals and i sympathize wth this father but know i culd not kill someone myself..:moo::moo:
 
some different articles
http://www.ksat.com/news/Lavaca-Cou...acker/-/478452/14775416/-/ycyj2r/-/index.html

Lavaca County Sheriff Mica Harmon said the man took the girl into a brushy area outside Shiner Saturday afternoon and allegedly tried to molest her.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2012/06/12/sheriff-dad-kills-daughters-alleged-attacker

The father called police late Saturday afternoon and told them he attacked a man he caught trying to sexually assault his daughter, Harmon said. The alleged attack happened near a barn where some horses were being kept.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/S...cker/-/1735978/14774032/-/ehe9t7/-/index.html

The incident happened near a barn in Mt. Olive where some horses were being kept. The adults were shoeing a horse and the girl and her brother had been sent to feed chickens.

The children's grandfather said the boy later came back and said his sister had been taken away by a man. Her father then went out to look for her, the grandfather said.

The father found both his daughter and the 47-year-old man partially naked, investigators said.
 
I think the father deserves a medal. Now the tax-payers of TX don't have to pay to give that sorry pervert 3 hot meals and a bed every day. Not to mention what other potential victims were saved! Dead pedophiles can't get children!!!!!!!!
 
Elley Mae said:
some different articles
http://www.ksat.com/news/Lavaca-Cou...acker/-/478452/14775416/-/ycyj2r/-/index.html

Lavaca County Sheriff Mica Harmon said the man took the girl into a brushy area outside Shiner Saturday afternoon and allegedly tried to molest her.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2012/06/12/sheriff-dad-kills-daughters-alleged-attacker

The father called police late Saturday afternoon and told them he attacked a man he caught trying to sexually assault his daughter, Harmon said. The alleged attack happened near a barn where some horses were being kept.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/S...cker/-/1735978/14774032/-/ehe9t7/-/index.html

The incident happened near a barn in Mt. Olive where some horses were being kept. The adults were shoeing a horse and the girl and her brother had been sent to feed chickens.

The children's grandfather said the boy later came back and said his sister had been taken away by a man. Her father then went out to look for her, the grandfather said.

The father found both his daughter and the 47-year-old man partially naked, investigators said.
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thank you very much for posting accurate and updated information.
 
I am a woman, but if that ever happens to one of mine, that's exactly what I would do. We, as parents, bring these little ones into the world, feed, cloth, educate and absolutely cherish our little children and to see this happen is so horrible.

Hat's off to that father!!
 
Tugela said:
You guys are assuming of course that the victim actually WAS molesting this guy's daughter, and he isn't just saying this to justify the killing.
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I don't consider the dead molester a VICTIM at all.

The only victims IMO are the four year old and all who love her.

I would hope my husband would have done the same thing if he ever caught someone hurting my DD.

JMO
 
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