justthinkin
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Doggone,
You bring up an interesting point, and that's how did these people influence people far more powerful than themselves if indeed there was a cover up. As time has gone by, I've changed my mind about there even being a cover up, and have discounted that. I think it's far more likely the crime scene and evidence was contaminated, and thus the investigation was royally botched just like in Boulder CO., years later, and all due to a lack of proper training of recruits.
But let's take your supposition and run with it a bit. Were any of these people snitches for LE? Might they have had the goods on someone more powerful than themselves? It certainly wasn't that they had a lot of money and bought their way out. Were they owed any favors by anyone in authority in Carlsbad? Were they related to anyone in power, specifically the sheriff, the DA or the judge that would've presided over such a case? I know I've heard the rumors about a judge and Mrs. WB, but in order for there to be something to it, most likely the judge would've had to have been friends with the sheriff and or the DA. Then likely too, they'd need the cooperation of the pathologist, and the omission of evidence. The quickest way to a cover up and the easiest would be if a high ranking LEO committed the crime. It does seem odd that this crime happened exactly when there was a change in command in the sheriff's department. Still, the idea that a LEO did this is way, way down on my list. It can't be ignored, but we haven't seen anything that really points to that in the way of the citizens of the county totally up in arms, complaining of a corrupt sheriff's department. If that was indeed the case, then we need to widen our search for the killer.
In just reading backwards through all the data, one person has grabbed my attention. Actually there have been several, but this person in particular because of attempted associated crimes. He may have just been a total nut job, but I'd sure like to know who he is, and what became of him, and that's the 20 year old guy the Carlsbad Police took into custody after a 12 year old girl said he'd attempted to pick her up in the same neighborhood from which Mattie and Patty disappeared. He also confessed to an attempt to pick up another girl one week after the murders, and being a peeping tom. Hawkins didn't think the guy did it, and from the article it looks like the guy passed his polygraph, but Capt. Smith of CPD still thought they should delve more into this guy. His name wasn't mentioned in the articles I saw, and he was released to his parents with the agreement that he would be sent to Lovelace Clinic in Albuquerque for psychiatric testing. This is not the mentally challenged guy, BP that they held for 18 mos. This is someone else.
Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showattachments&t=88042
entry labeled: 14 Sep 1961 Albuquerque Journal NM Page B-7.jpg Originally there were 2 articles posted side by side, but since there is no credit given to the newspaper it appeared in, I won't post the second article. Anyone that wants a copy, just PM me and I will see that you get it. I do not see it listed in the list Cubby compiled from thread 1.
I'd also like to know if this is the same guy that buried the mutilated doll in the desert? Anyone know or know who he is? He was from Carlsbad, so a local. The doll was found before the girls were murdered.
You bring up an interesting point, and that's how did these people influence people far more powerful than themselves if indeed there was a cover up. As time has gone by, I've changed my mind about there even being a cover up, and have discounted that. I think it's far more likely the crime scene and evidence was contaminated, and thus the investigation was royally botched just like in Boulder CO., years later, and all due to a lack of proper training of recruits.
But let's take your supposition and run with it a bit. Were any of these people snitches for LE? Might they have had the goods on someone more powerful than themselves? It certainly wasn't that they had a lot of money and bought their way out. Were they owed any favors by anyone in authority in Carlsbad? Were they related to anyone in power, specifically the sheriff, the DA or the judge that would've presided over such a case? I know I've heard the rumors about a judge and Mrs. WB, but in order for there to be something to it, most likely the judge would've had to have been friends with the sheriff and or the DA. Then likely too, they'd need the cooperation of the pathologist, and the omission of evidence. The quickest way to a cover up and the easiest would be if a high ranking LEO committed the crime. It does seem odd that this crime happened exactly when there was a change in command in the sheriff's department. Still, the idea that a LEO did this is way, way down on my list. It can't be ignored, but we haven't seen anything that really points to that in the way of the citizens of the county totally up in arms, complaining of a corrupt sheriff's department. If that was indeed the case, then we need to widen our search for the killer.
In just reading backwards through all the data, one person has grabbed my attention. Actually there have been several, but this person in particular because of attempted associated crimes. He may have just been a total nut job, but I'd sure like to know who he is, and what became of him, and that's the 20 year old guy the Carlsbad Police took into custody after a 12 year old girl said he'd attempted to pick her up in the same neighborhood from which Mattie and Patty disappeared. He also confessed to an attempt to pick up another girl one week after the murders, and being a peeping tom. Hawkins didn't think the guy did it, and from the article it looks like the guy passed his polygraph, but Capt. Smith of CPD still thought they should delve more into this guy. His name wasn't mentioned in the articles I saw, and he was released to his parents with the agreement that he would be sent to Lovelace Clinic in Albuquerque for psychiatric testing. This is not the mentally challenged guy, BP that they held for 18 mos. This is someone else.
Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showattachments&t=88042
entry labeled: 14 Sep 1961 Albuquerque Journal NM Page B-7.jpg Originally there were 2 articles posted side by side, but since there is no credit given to the newspaper it appeared in, I won't post the second article. Anyone that wants a copy, just PM me and I will see that you get it. I do not see it listed in the list Cubby compiled from thread 1.
I'd also like to know if this is the same guy that buried the mutilated doll in the desert? Anyone know or know who he is? He was from Carlsbad, so a local. The doll was found before the girls were murdered.
