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I still think she was mugged by someone on foot. Moo
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That would imply that she just sat there and was run over like a monster truck crushes cars. I don't mean to put that image in anyones head, but that seems what it would be like to me and the easiest was to explain it. And IMO if happened slowly there would be blood on the asphalt.
when we don't know how many seconds apart these two frames are. Early on ppl were willing to put them 5 to 8 minutes apart. They appear to be a lot closer than that, especially with LE's description of the truck being 'turning onto St.Landry, right behind Mickey'. What I'm hearing on WS is that other municipal cameras in the vicinity of the Consolidated Government building take pictures every 1 minute, or 60 seconds. If the later is true, there is no way to calculate any physics at all. No speed, no sense of direction. We don't know if it took a right or a left to get onto Landry. Too many X factors, namely time,direction, and rate of speed. You don't have that, you got nothing. I think LE would have shared with us Mickey's progress down St.Landry if she indeed made any. They would want us to know the last time she was seen IMO. This is the last place she was positively seen.
LE also said the 'Mickey went through a red light'.
Several threads ago some WSleuths were working on an angle that had z71 following Mickey on Versailles > St.John with their headlights off. I think the Wsleuth had a point about the middle horizontal line of the grille reflecting light as another vehicle is about to turn left onto ST.John.
Mickey appears to be riding standing up, full tilt boogie.
Someone that knows the area could see the red light a distance down St.John, like at about West Convent, and make a decision to take a right onto West Convent or a left on Hamilton Place to avoid the light. Taking a right or a left to get on Landry from University requires what rate of speed? I'd say about 10 MPH tops. IMO this is a nudge, not a hit. It is not possible to do a turn like this at 20+ MPH without risking of loss of control of the vehicle, and I'd expect screeching tires, skid marks. I don't think we have those marks. If the camera stills are 30 to 60 seconds apart, we are really missing the action. A left onto St.Landry would allow a higher speed, with a wider turning radius.
snipped by meIts early here and only on my first cup of coffee, but I would think if she was hit the whole area would have been taped off as a crime scene.Someone would have noticed that. JMO
[Originally Posted by dejavoodoo64 View Post
Its early here and only on my first cup of coffee, but I would think if she was hit the whole area would have been taped off as a crime scene.Someone would have noticed that. JMO]
Fair enough. I will try. I spent about 2 hours looking for CF's daylight pic yesterday and I started at thread 10 I think..BBM
Please provide links to these quotes. I can't recall LE stating the the truck was "right" behind Mickey. And I can't find any MSM articles where LE says Mickey ran a red light.
Thanks
Fair enough. I will try. I spent about 2 hours looking for CF's daylight pic yesterday and I started at thread 10 I think..
It was early on like May29th-ish, and I found myself wondering when I started just camping out here at WS. I def didn't see some of the early stuff.
I still haven't seen anyone explain how she was supposedly hit and neither she nor her bike moved forward. (and, in fact, some are now suggesting she moved backward)
More importantly, this is a still frame from a video -- which would clearly show any such accident occurring in this location.
Sorry, I'm sure I come off a bit frustrated, and it's directed at no one in particular. I just think we (collectively) are better served trying to explore other options to explain what happened to MS, and (hopefully) to find her, rather than engage in this terminal loop of science-bucking and otherwise illogical thinking.
I was reviewing threads starting with thread 10, and saw that LE stated that z71 'turned onto St.Landry, right behind Mickey'. if that is the case, then it's a hook sort of movement to calculate your physics..which is still next to impossible without enough frames to show speed. He did not say if the turn was rt of lft.
There is good stuff back there. Thinking about a sweating to the oldies comp. I'll post CF's daylight pic when I find it.
The video at the LCG building is not continuous video. Watch the LCG traffic cameras. See how the vehicle/road shots are taken every few seconds? It's not like watching a home video camera. We don't know the shot increments. So, Mickey and the Truck might only appear once (entering the shot from the left) or twice (another shot where we see her) on the video, or only once. Otherwise we would have a Hooptie shot right there, instead of another camera. The camera increments are spaced at length obviously and have not recorded everthing.
I think the truck photos are cropped in because the video/photo expert is bothered by those odd images by the tire too, thinks the same as we do and zoomed in to tweak it and identify it... and can't. That is why they released it, because they figure if they can't say it is 100% neither can we. You can only enhance pixelated video so much. They had great difficulty identifying Mickey, and her family only identified her by her stance and her hair color, basically. Again, I challenge you to take a screen shot of a LCG traffic cam pic online, then import it into a photo editing program. Can you see any clearer? I can't.
Now, I said I was getting off here.. but I can't. We have a missing girl in Sacramento.
Thanks. I did find this "One truck that turned on St. Landry street directly behind MS is a Chevrolet white Z71 four-door." from the May 29th press conference transcript. That's close enough to what you're stating.
I'd still like to see whatever can be found concerning Mickey running the red light though.
I am in full agreement. I, too, believe she made it past St. Landry. Without baiting, but still wanting to add a little info here, I have heard from two sources, whom I consider credible, that Mickey made it farther down St. Landry. What makes the sources stronger, IMO, is that one source was based upon a video sighting, and one source based upon a possible personal sighting..... so, two different types of sighting. I believe that ACI also believes she made it father down, though I don't recall the nature of his sourcing.
LE has been notified of both, some time back.
[yay! Somebody to talk to....I still think her bike is under the truck.....if someone walked off with her cell phone or wallet I could imagine her chasing after them.....IMO it is completely possible she could have chased them in the opposite direction that she was traveling if that is the direction in which the person went ALL MY OWN SPECULATION BY THE WAY....I KNOW WE HAVE TO SAY THAT EVERY COUPLE OF SENTANCES....anyway.....my theory would account fir a lot....
Lots of people see the bike light under truck.....some people see her but I do not so I agree she's not under there but I cannot help but agree with the people about the bike cuz I see that.....or what I THINK looks like that.moo
If she dropped her bike to chase someone she wouldn't scream....no screams heard
no belongings left behind less attention being paid to wt here lately....IMO they have it figured out or at least the just of it because they turned away outside help ALL MY OWN SPECULATION.....perp on foot went back and picked up pieces and bike after it was run over by truck........before truck circled back to see what he hit......
Are they the same truck?...
Even if they aren't the same truck, the one that IMO. I'm only speculating ran over the bike he might not have known what he hit...
Le seems IMO to have made it quite very crystal clear they only wanted to speak with the driver as a possible witness (to what is NOT shown in pictures) IMO if they thought that white truck was the perp or felt strongly that was their perp they would have given every single detail about the truck and IMO made more effort to find the truck through registration records and etc.......all my own speculation.
when we don't know how many seconds apart these two frames are. Early on ppl were willing to put them 5 to 8 minutes apart. They appear to be a lot closer than that, especially with LE's description of the truck being 'turning onto St.Landry, right behind Mickey'. What I'm hearing on WS is that other municipal cameras in the vicinity of the Consolidated Government building take pictures every 1 minute, or 60 seconds. If the later is true, there is no way to calculate any physics at all. No speed, no sense of direction. We don't know if it took a right or a left to get onto Landry. Too many X factors, namely time,direction, and rate of speed. You don't have that, you got nothing. I think LE would have shared with us Mickey's progress down St.Landry if she indeed made any. They would want us to know the last time she was seen IMO. This is the last place she was positively seen.
Thanks. I did find this "One truck that turned on St. Landry street directly behind MS is a Chevrolet white Z71 four-door." from the May 29th press conference transcript. That's close enough to what you're stating.
I'd still like to see whatever can be found concerning Mickey running the red light though.
Ok. If a bicycle is hit fom behind by a vehicle, more than likely the rider goes backwards over the vehicle, or on the hood/windshield the roll off on side closest to impact. However, loose items (glasses, purse, etc) are usually found closest to sight of impact.
Check this out:
http://www.collisionsafety.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Bike-crash-trajectory-SAE-900368.pdf
"In our particular set of tests, the cyclist was carried onto the hood of the car and struck the lower portion of the windshield - at or below the midpoint of the windshield - at velocities between 15-20 mph (24-32 km/h). Where the cyclist was astride the cycle as if he were standing and only one foot was on the pedals, the center of the impact damage to the windshield was at or below the base of the windshield itself.
At velocities between 20-25 mph (3240 km/h), the center of the impact area seen on the windshield is found at and above the vertical center of the windshield. For impacts above that velocity, the center of the impact area is found more toward the top of the windshield and onto the roof at the leading edge of the roof line."