Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #1

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Why is the media saying that the killer could have taken her to the area as early as 8pm? Did the police give out this information?

If the police gave this information over, are they not contradicting Mr Baden Clays version of events? He stated he last saw her at 10pm...Are the police implying that the killer is Mr Baden Clay.

All this conflicting information is driving me bananas!
 
I heard it as a newsflash, I'm not sure which channel. But you know what the news is like! They may have worded it incorrectly. I'm going to try to find out
 
Question:

Why is the media saying that the killer could have taken her to the area as early as 8pm? Did the police give out this information?

If the police gave this information over, are they not contradicting Mr Baden Clays version of events? He stated he last saw her at 10pm...Are the police implying that the killer is Mr Baden Clay.

All this conflicting information is driving me bananas!


Police said the movements of the Baden-Clay's vehicles – a white Toyota Prado and a silver Holden Captiva – between 8pm on April 19 and 6am on April 20 are now key in the investigation.

Superintendent Ainsworth has called for anyone with information about the movements of the vehicles to contact police.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/a-family-waits-for-answers-20120430-1xut4.html
 
If (as has been suggested online) he and they are members of a certain 'men's organisation' they'd publicly (and privately) be doing all in their power on his behalf - including showing public support

The guy who claimed that he and a neighbour heard muffled screams has raised a few eyebrows, particularly in light on information which has been revealed since. So ... another attempting to assist Brother Gerard ?

I'm not sure what men's organisation you mean - can you enlighten what you are getting at here? (No criticism meant, just that a few different types of organisations come to mind).
 
'men's organisation' = scouts?? that's the first thought that came to mind.
 
I thought laserdisc10 meant the masonics or something like that.
 
Yes, I should have realised it's scouts, but then Laserdisc said something about 'Brother Gerard" and I started thinking about the Masons or Order of the Buffalo or something, then i was thinking something to do with the church.
 
'Order of the Buffalo'?...............Sounds very South African!!!! (now im clutching at straws.
 
Apologies if someone else has already covered this today.

It seems more likely that Allison would have been left at the scout camp, not from over the bridge.

When we had that rain out here a few days ago, the creeks came up so quickly as there's still a lot of water around. Normally it takes more rain to get them to come up that fast. I remember thinking that if she is in water, this rain will move her and I took a closer look at a number of creeks out here from the road.

It was a lot of water, she was found on the bank, after the water had receded. The bridge is also very visible and a lot of people travel on that road at that time of night.

It's not feasible. So it must be the camp.

But in saying that, the link to him is too obvious, he wouldn't have been that stupid.

Could this have been a set up as someone else has suggested, to implicate him?
 
If (as has been suggested online) he and they are members of a certain 'men's organisation' they'd publicly (and privately) be doing all in their power on his behalf - including showing public support

The guy who claimed that he and a neighbour heard muffled screams has raised a few eyebrows, particularly in light on information which has been revealed since. So ... another attempting to assist Brother Gerard ?

How far do you think this "assistance" could go??
 
I do think the Barrister being involved at this stage is a bit unusual, as you usually only engage one once you've been charged and know you are going to court.

But the article on one of those links indicates his lawyer said the Barrister was being engaged to help him with various things including dealing with the media. That is one thing Barristers do for a court case, they coach their witness so they present the best possible face to the jury and media. So maybe we are going to see Gerard start to speak more publicly after his Barrister prepares him? The start of presenting a more positive image because they actually think he is going to be charged at some point in time?

Honestly while some people might think this is all understandable under the cirumstances, when I think about anyone I know who is honest and innocent, or myself, I dont think any of this would be an issue. My own feelings and emotions would show through to anyone who saw or heard me, while I was speaking to the public, media etc during the long period of time I would have been helping with the search. And also when I was being questioned by the police.

Maybe I am judging him harshly and if I turn out to be wrong I'll be eating humble pie and apologising, but this is a guy who has done numerous videos in his work and is no stranger to speaking in public. If whatever you say comes from the heart it eventually shows through, even when you are upset. Why would you need a Barrister to coach you unless you were guilty and struggling to fake concern and ensure you don't slip up?

I guess if you were innocent and you really thought things were going to look bad for you no matter what, you might get scared and go down that track, so maybe I am judging too harshly here.
 
Wouldn't you wait to be charged before you hired literally a legal defence team?
 
I have lived out here for years and I can say I still don't know much about the area, in terms of bushland, creeks etc.

I have looked at the map of our area and looked for possible entry points and all I can see as a plausible entry point is the rafting ground reservoir (someone correct me if I am wrong). Without having to go to the effort of dragging a body through dense bushland. Not sure of the likelihood of a body washing from Brookfield to Anstead in 11 days, and of all the places, to come to rest not far from a scout camp.

What is everybody else thinking in terms of entry and exit points?
 
But I don't think your lawyer engages a barrister to be a 'coach'. There are plenty of spin-doctors out there who specialise in that, they coach people before they do interviews for 60mins etc.

A barrister knows the law, that's what they will be advising in.

But I still don't think this implies guilt.

As I've said before, any of us by now whether guilty or innocent would have done the same.
 
I have lived out here for years and I can say I still don't know much about the area, in terms of bushland, creeks etc.

I have looked at the map of our area and looked for possible entry points and all I can see as a plausible entry point is the rafting ground reservoir (someone correct me if I am wrong). Without having to go to the effort of dragging a body through dense bushland. Not sure of the likelihood of a body washing from Brookfield to Anstead in 11 days, and of all the places, to come to rest not far from a scout camp.

What is everybody else thinking in terms of entry and exit points?

I meant that they drove to the scout camp, or nearby, that's where they left her and she has been washed down with all the water to under the bridge.
 
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