Photos of the Couple - *WARNING: Graphic Images*

[amber1]

I would agree with you as well...it seems they were shot almost execution style, except for in the neck, chest and back instead of the head! I assumed they were shot on their knees from behind if I remember right?

[Reannan]

Since we have the new picture, I went back to the Desaparecidos Wall Of Memories, and looked through the pictures again. The following man, Eduardo Guerci, worked for the Navy in Argentina as a computer person - which was pretty high tech for 1976. When I searched more about him, I found that he disappeared with his girlfriend, Patricia Faraoni. She was a medical student and they both went missing around July 20, 1976. Eduardo's brother launched an investigation, and from what I can determine when I translate the link below, Eduardo was declared a deserter, even though it appears he was kidnapped. Did he and Patricia make it out of the country? Here are their pictures. He looks like a better candidate than she does, IMHO. Just throwing it out there for the opinion of all of you.

http://www.desaparecidos.org/arg/victimas/g/guerci/

[Reannan]

Here is a picture I did with Eduardo Garcia and Patrica Faraoni compared with the UID in a single grouping. Should have done that earlier.

[Swamp Fox Trot]

Originally Posted by amber1

I would agree with you as well...it seems they were shot almost execution style, except for in the neck, chest and back instead of the head!

Similar to the execution of Ché Guevara in Bolivia. Félix Rodríguez talked to him for some time and specifically ordered his men not to shoot him in the head. I believe the Sumter pair were also interrogated beforehand.

[amber1]

I am surprised they have not been identified with as good of photos they have of these two.

[Blue.Line]

I've followed this case for several years and this is the first time I've seen those two new photos of "Jacques" I wonder is there are any more of "Jane" similar floating around? It would be nice to be able to have different angle shots, and more of the actual crime scene itself.

[Swamp Fox Trot]

Notice the pronounced asymmetry of the nose and the crooked teeth, the dark circles under the eyes, the eyeglass marks. Remember there may be some swelling in the postmortem pic.

[~n/t~]

Originally Posted by webrocket

I never heard of this couple before. Having looked at the pictures, the comments and the links, I have a slightly different take of this couple.

I believe they were foreigners. Their resemblance to some of the Argentines is interesting in that most people in Argentina are an ethnic mix of Spanish and Italian blood. Argentine women, especialy of the upper classes, are very beauty conscious. I do not believe the couple is from Argentina, however, for two reasons. One, if they had just fled from a brutal military regime in their home country, I doubt that they would be driving or hitchhiking around the United States. Two, while Argentine customs may have changed over the years I cannot imagine an Argentine woman not shaving her legs.

I do not believe they are Italian nationals either. If the initials on the watch are in fact the man's, the letter J is not customarily used in the Italian language. John is Gianni. Joseph is Giuseppe. The month of June is Giungno.

The olive colored complexion certainly implies the Mediterranean area which would exclude their being Northern, Central or Eastern Europeans. I doubt based on their complexions that they were French Canadians.

This, in my book, leaves us with Spaniards, Portuguese or Mediterreanan French. I do not know what the customs of women were back then, but I suspect French women were the group least likely of the three to have shaved their legs back then. (the man was clean shaven so it is not that they did not have any razors at their disposal). The French ancestry would include former colonialists in North Africa.

So the question still remains how did this couple (probably French) of comfortable background get to the US, meander about and meet a violent death without anyone back home worrying about them?

Yes we shaved our legs 30 years ago. That said, if anyone wants to explore the possibility that this couple is french Canadian from Quebec, there were a couple of political unrests in the 70's.

1) FLQ Movement - some underground operations.
Here is a wiki link but there is a lot of information on the web.

Front de libération du Québec - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Front de libération du Québec - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Front de libération du Québec - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) PQ - Separatist Movement - Many English Quebecers fled after the PQ went into power fearing Quebec separation from Canada. Again, I'm linking wiki but there are other articles on the web

Parti Québécois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Parti Québécois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Parti Québécois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3) Explore the mob angle. There was a big hijacking of an armoured "Brinks" truck in 1976 which surpassed the well known Crime of the Century Boston Brinks truck. The robbery netted $2.7 million in cash and 29 boxes containing a total of $5,000 worth of Olympic gold coins.

This link talks about the Irish mob but there was a french Canadian connection as well.

http://mafiatoday.com/canadian-mafia...darcy-oconnor/

In the first two scenarios I can perhaps see family members looking for their loved ones publicly. In the third, I'm not so sure.

Anyway, my worth.

ETA: I agree with you regarding the initials. There is no "J" in the Italian alphabet. I'm guessing if his name is Jacques, his middle initial can be Pierre, Paul, Phillipe. However, not a common abbreviated name with Jacques. Most with JP initials are Jean-Paul, Jean-Pierre, Jean-Phillipe

[~n/t~]

The letter "F" and the Spanish connection, maybe?

1975 Oct 30, Juan Carlos (37) assumed power in Spain after General Franco, near death, gave him control.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2464945.stm)

1975 Nov 20, After nearly four decades of absolute rule (1936-1975), Spain's General Francisco Franco died, two weeks before his 83rd birthday. Juan Carlos, grandson of King Alfonso, was his designated successor and the monarchy was restored. In 2002 Gabrielle Ashford Hodges authored "Franco: A Concise Biography."
(SFC, 11/12/96, p.A12)(SFEC, 10/5/97, p.A17)(AP, 11/20/97)(SSFC, 4/21/02, p.M4)

1975 Nov 22, Juan Carlos was proclaimed king of Spain.
(AP, 11/22/97)


1976 Nov 18, Spain's parliament approved a bill to establish a democracy after 37 years of dictatorship.
(AP, 11/18/97)


http://timelines.ws/countries/SPAIN_B.HTML


Did some of his kin flee?

[coopzoo]

Originally Posted by Reannan

Here is a picture I did with Eduardo Garcia and Patrica Faraoni compared with the UID in a single grouping. Should have done that earlier.

The resemblance is striking...

[~n/t~]

Originally Posted by Mysterylover

So sad and so very long ago 1976...

How could these 2 people not be missed by someone, somewhere, in all this time?
Does anyone know the details of 'how' these 2 young people were killed?

where were they found in S.C, near the beaches or islands, near a college, apartments, in a city or back roads just WHERE in SC?....I noticed on the side of the picture it says Sumter, coroners office.
South Carolina has always had a lot of tourist for the beaches, fishing, boating, colleges as well as motorcycle rallys.

their height and weight and approx. ages, what were they wearing,
was it beach/summer cloths, swim suits, winter cloths, motorcycle cloths, work cloths, what type of clothing, expensive or average, shoes, jewelry, what's the details?

After 30 years it's time all the details get out, maybe a friend or family member will recognize them, unless they were from some other country..

The timeline is a bit off but what about this man from Argentina?



http://www.exdesaparecidos.org.ar/ae...sbuscando.php#

[amber1]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

The timeline is a bit off but what about this man from Argentina?



http://www.exdesaparecidos.org.ar/ae...sbuscando.php#

I'm not going to lie, this gave me chills! Very similar.

[~n/t~]

His name is Yves Alain DOMERGUE born in France. If he used the name Jacques and had a french accent, I think this is our John Doe.

IMO


ETA: How do we submit a possible match?

[~n/t~]

Jane Doe? http://www.exdesaparecidos.org.ar/ae...sbuscando.php#

[rob525]

I see similarities but I don't see the moles and it appears the missing person is 37? If so that would seem to rule it out. I do admit though that when I saw the photos I thought "wow this could be her"

[Reannan]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

His name is Yves Alain DOMERGUE born in France. If he used the name Jacques and had a french accent, I think this is our John Doe.

IMO


ETA: How do we submit a possible match?

I was hopeful also... but according to this article, the bodies of Yves and his girlfriend Cristina were found by a group of high school students who were investigating the missing people from the Dirty Wars. Hmmm.... honestly, this story always sounded a bit fishy to me, but that is what happens after being here on WS's for a long, long, time. Yves and Cristina are REALLY good candidates for the John and Jane Doe from SC.... but... here is the news:

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/ceb...murder-mystery

[Magnum P.E.]

Originally Posted by ~n/t~

His name is Yves Alain DOMERGUE born in France. If he used the name Jacques and had a french accent, I think this is our John Doe.

IMO


ETA: How do we submit a possible match?

I thought I replied to this last night but apparently not!
Yves Alain Domergue was known to be alive in Argentina in September 1976. This is too late to be Jacques, who was found in August.
Yves and his girlfriend were kidnapped and killed, then dumped by the roadside in a manner eerily similar to that of the Sumter County Does. Their remains were IDed in 2010.

He certainly does look a lot like Jacques, but his girlfriend does not look like Jane at all.

[Monroe12]

Am I seeing an image that isn't there? Or does the pictures of this guys right ear not really show...an actual ear? I kept thinking I was seeing a sort of "mirage".....to me if looks like he has no ear. Just me?

[thelocator77]

These two do look very similar to the victims.

[SJA]

I read about this on TDN and I believe these 2 are related and either came from europe or canada. Its hard to believe they haven't been identified.

[Szabo]

I've only now just started reading about this case, but one thing I'd like to add about the woman's infamous unshaven legs, could it be they had simply be on the road for a number of weeks and she hadn't been able to shave them?

Also to the person who said it was common here in Europe not to wear underwear, I have no idea where you've heard that.

[webrocket]

the man was able to shave his face as he was clean shaven when he was murdered so they had access to a razor in the not to distant past.

Originally Posted by Szabo

I've only now just started reading about this case, but one thing I'd like to add about the woman's infamous unshaven legs, could it be they had simply be on the road for a number of weeks and she hadn't been able to shave them?

Also to the person who said it was common here in Europe not to wear underwear, I have no idea where you've heard that.

[Irish_Eyes]

I have not kept up too well on this thread, but I did remember at one time someone suggested they looked Argentinian, and maybe fled the troubles there, or I've also heard people think they are French or Canadian.

Circumstantially, it doesn't make much sense for the girl to be Marie Anne Erize, but for sure they look a lot alike. I mention it because Marie Anne was an Argentine model with French ancestry....at least if my translation is correct from what I've been reading....if you Google her name you will see lots of images of her. She disappeared in 1975. She was apparently kidnapped by 3 men and forced into a vehicle. She is presumed deceased and I think there is little chance this is her. I only mention the resemblance to say I think you are on the right track with the French or Argentine angles.

[Swamp Fox Trot]

Like the Lugones pair, Marie Anne Erize came from a privileged background and was drawn to work with the poor with Liberation Theology priests. However she was not abducted until 15 October 1976, two months after the SC Does were found.