The Doe Network, Part 2: Who is Princess Blue?

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A "pin" is what you stick on a topic thread so that it doesn't move. It says where you stick it :-D

I'm not sure of a good description of a "sticky" other than it's like leaving a post-it note

a "lock" on a thread for instance locks that thread so you can't post on that thread anymore. You can read it but no more posting allowed.

TTYL= Talk to you later.

sloane said:
Okay, sloane needs to learn more again...
what's a "pin?"
a "sticky?"
a "lock?" Seems self-explanatory, but "locked" things still seem like you can "get into" them...
What does "ttyl" mean?
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jodierenee said:
i live in houston and I might be able to go to the high school and scan the yearbook
. It won't be this weekend, but maybe some time next week.
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Here is someone that posted earlier (Post #59) that they were willing to go the high school and scan the yearbook. Posts were moving pretty fast that day and I thought maybe it had been overlooked.
 
LionRun said:
Hi julessleuther:). This, combined with aprilvic being 115 LB with a size 8 ring and a size 9 1/2 index finger ring size tells me a lot. There are other examples, too. Basically, it seems that although ring size can be a rough estimate ate best, there are so many exceptions, that the exceptions can no longer be considered to be exceptions. In other words ring size does not seem to be a reliable factor in estimating weight in life. I am trying to find out what the other sizes of Princess Blue's rings; but, I don't know if I can find out. That could still be good info. I hope to be able to find out.

Lion
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Good points Lion. If the other size rings are small to "average", size 5-7, a size 9, surely doesn't fit as one she could wear. Unless it had a reducer inside. I'm thinking that ring meant a lot to someone. Once you outgrow/get tired of a ring, it's not likely to get it resized when it no longer fits. This ring was sized twice, but by PB, or someone who gave it to her with smaller fingers? So it really meant something sentimental to PB to be wearing it. If it wasn't her class ring, it belonged to someone very close to her.
 
SadieMae said:
Good points Lion. If the other size rings are small to "average", size 5-7, a size 9, surely doesn't fit as one she could wear. Unless it had a reducer inside. I'm thinking that ring meant a lot to someone. Once you outgrow/get tired of a ring, it's not likely to get it resized when it no longer fits. This ring was sized twice, but by PB, or someone who gave it to her with smaller fingers? So it really meant something sentimental to PB to be wearing it. If it wasn't her class ring, it belonged to someone very close to her.
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Hi SadieMae:). I, too imagine that for whomever re-sized the ring it meant something. We don't know if it was the original owner, or Princess who re-sized it, though. And, we assume that someone close to Princess gave it to her or it was perhaps left to her. Or, depending on what we can find out concerning the bone marrow questions and the exact condition and stage of decomposition that her remains were in when found, she could actually be the original ring owner. In any event that ring is probably important. Thank you for the ring sizing info, that was quite helpful in putting more of the pieces together.

I hope Apache puppy boy is continuing to do well!

Lion
 
MeAgnL8Agn said:
Here is someone that posted earlier (Post #59) that they were willing to go the high school and scan the yearbook. Posts were moving pretty fast that day and I thought maybe it had been overlooked.
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Thank you MeAgnL8Agn:). I am so glad that you caught this. I will PM jodierenee, and set it up if possible.

Lion
 
I think that if the medical examiner who first examined Princess Blue estimated that she had been deceased 6 months to a year that perhaps that a good percentage of her skeleton was still intact. We know they said she had knee problems and that she had rings on her fingers and the bracelet on her arm. If Princess Blue's body had been scattered about then it would have taken the ME longer to come up with a TOD and a forensic anthropologist would have been called in the determine more. Of course as always that is JMO :twocents:

ETA: Also I believe that one of the ways they determined she was a female is to perhaps examine the pelvic area? If so then they had to have her pelvis too.
 
RKnowley said:
I think that if the medical examiner who first examined Princess Blue estimated that she had been deceased 6 months to a year that perhaps that a good percentage of her skeleton was still intact. We know they said she had knee problems and that she had rings on her fingers and the bracelet on her arm. If Princess Blue's body had been scattered about then it would have taken the ME longer to come up with a TOD and a forensic anthropologist would have been called in the determine more. Of course as always that is JMO :twocents:

ETA: Also I believe that one of the ways they determined she was a female is to perhaps examine the pelvic area? If so then they had to have her pelvis too.
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This could be and sounds like it should be the case on all counts. They can also get an indication of sex from her skull, facial bones, and long bones.

The weight estimate was done based on the ring, and a full work up was not performed by a trained forensic team back in 1990. On the TX dps site, the TOD has been changed to unknown, and the weight has been changed to unknown. I have doubts about the exact condition in which Princess Blue's remains were found. And, until I can learn more I have doubts about the details that were previously reported concerning the TOD and her weight at TOD.

Lion
 
LionRun said:
Thanks sloane:). I would like to know more about that darn band with 6 clear stones lol. I have always been under the impression that Princess was young (19 or less) because of the style of her jewelry. It reminds me of what a girl in her teens or late teens might wear. I could be mistaken though.

Lion
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I think you're right on about who would wear those rings. They look very dainty, teen type (Claire's Boutique) jewelry. I don't thing anyone over 21 would wear rings like those.
 
As I said it was JMO. Nothing more or nothing less.

ETA: I know that the work up wasn't done in 1990. I stated that I thought the reason one was not called in is because the ME could/did come up with a TOD of 6 months to a year based on their examination and that is why they didn't call in for a forensic team at that time. They are now reviewing the case again because they haven't netted any results from the information they had and it needed to be gone over again. Now they are basically saying "We don't know"

LionRun said:
This could be and sounds like it should be the case on all counts. They can also get an indication of sex from her skull, facial bones, and long bones.

The weight estimate was done based on the ring, and a full work up was not performed by a trained forensic team back in 1990. On the TX dps site, the TOD has been changed to unknown, and the weight has been changed to unknown. I have doubts about the exact condition in which Princess Blue's remains were found. And, until I can learn more I have doubts about the details that were previously reported concerning the TOD and her weight at TOD.

Lion
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I found something interesting as far as a map of where Princess may have been found. If you want to assume the article that stated she was found 1/4 mile east of 288 on 101 is correct, then this is what the area looks like as of 2004:

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And this is what it looked like in 1995 (which was as far back as I was able to go on the site I used):

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Would we be able to submit an "open records request" for the ME's report on Princess Blue?

From the Harris County ME office:
http://www.co.harris.tx.us/me/AutopsyReport.aspx

How To Order a Copy of an Autopsy Report Note: There is a $0.10 per page fee for an autopsy report. Please do not send payment until you are notified that the report has been completed. Depending on the circumstances of the case and the laboratory tests that are required, the length of time necessary to complete each case will vary.
Email requests will not be accepted.​
Individuals may obtain a copy of a completed autopsy report from the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office (HCME) during normal business hours of 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday through Friday except for Harris County holidays. All requests must be submitted to the HCME Business Office using one of the following methods:
In writing via the U.S. Postal Service
Harris County Medical Examiner's Office
Business Office: Autopsy Report Order
c/o Ms. Susan Bostick or Ms. Rosemary Valdes
1885 Old Spanish Trail
Houston, Texas 77054
Via telephone:
 (713) 796-6775
Via FAX:
(713) 796-6844
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Harris County Medical Examiner's Office
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Houston, Texas 77054
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Houston, Texas 77054
To help expedite your request, please provide as much of the following information as possible:
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RKnowley said:
As I said it was JMO. Nothing more or nothing less.

ETA: I know that the work up wasn't done in 1990. I stated that I thought the reason one was not called in is because the ME could/did come up with a TOD of 6 months to a year based on their examination and that is why they didn't call in for a forensic team at that time. They are now reviewing the case again because they haven't netted any results from the information they had and it needed to be gone over again. Now they are basically saying "We don't know"
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Hi RKnowley:). If you sense my frustration it is because none of us know Princess Blue's approximate TOD. This leaves us to speculate. This means to me that unless or until we get more info we may need to search for all missing from between1975-1990 in the missing persons data banks and in any news archives. The Houston Chronicle only has records back to 1985 that I can see. We also may need to include that it is possible(however remote) that Princess Blue was the original owner of the ring. If we knew more we could narrow our search parameters. I am a stickler for details, facts, and possibilities, and I am hoping to leave no stone unturned in our search. When I can't be sure of the facts and have a tough time finding the facts it drives me nuts at times.

Lion
 
Good morning all! Wanted to let you know that I spoke with the ME's office in Washington. They were not sure about the answer to our questions, so they directed me to the Washington State Patrol Toxicology Lab. Unfortunately, they were all in a meeting, but they assured me that they would be happy to answer any questions that we have and would call me back sometime after noon today. Also wanted to give you all a link to the missing persons page that I have been trying to work on. It is taking me a lot longer than I thought to do this, and it isn't even half finished. Hope to get something accoplished today while the kids are at school and I am home from work.

http://illfindu.white.prohosting.com/
 
teonspaleprincess said:
Good morning all! Wanted to let you know that I spoke with the ME's office in Washington. They were not sure about the answer to our questions, so they directed me to the Washington State Patrol Toxicology Lab. Unfortunately, they were all in a meeting, but they assured me that they would be happy to answer any questions that we have and would call me back sometime after noon today. Also wanted to give you all a link to the missing persons page that I have been trying to work on. It is taking me a lot longer than I thought to do this, and it isn't even half finished. Hope to get something accoplished today while the kids are at school and I am home from work.

http://illfindu.white.prohosting.com/
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Thank you teons! Please let us know if they can answer those questions. I can't wait to hopefully find out some answers.

The work you are doing on your, "missing" site is absolutely amazing! Can you imagine how many people you can help with this? What a beautiful works of compassion. I truly admire you:blowkiss:.

Lion
 
annemc2 said:
Was she found in Brazoria county? If so, the autopsy would have been handled by the Galvelson county ME.

http://www.co.galveston.tx.us/Medical-Examiner/index.htm
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Yes, she was found in Manvel, TX in Brazoria County. On the TX dps site the agency in charge is listed as Harris County--currently. I don't know if we know what agency handled Princess Blue's case in 1990 when she first found. That is a good question, though. I wonder if a citizen can obtain autopsy records for someone not related to them from years ago. Does anyone know if it is considered to be public record? How can we find out, I wonder?

Lion
 
LionRun said:
Yes, she was found in Manvel, TX in Brazoria County. On the TX dps site the agency in charge is listed as Harris County--currently. I don't know if we know what agency handled Princess Blue's case in 1990 when she first found. That is a good question, though. I wonder if a citizen can obtain autopsy records for someone not related to them from years ago. Does anyone know if it is considered to be public record? How can we find out, I wonder?

Lion
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Just got off the phone with the ME's office. YES, we can request a copy of the report. They are generally under $2.00 and request must be made via writing or fax. I can do this if you would like. OR we can have someone make the fax request today. (I don't have a fax machine). They'll call and let you know how much the report is going to be and then mail it.

ETA: The request must contain the ME's case number or the date she was found - any identifying info that they can use to pull the report, but we are allowed to obtain a copy of it.
 
Jaded said:
Just got off the phone with the ME's office. YES, we can request a copy of the report. They are generally under $2.00 and request must be made via writing or fax. I can do this if you would like. OR we can have someone make the fax request today. (I don't have a fax machine). They'll call and let you know how much the report is going to be and then mail it.

ETA: The request must contain the ME's case number or the date she was found - any identifying info that they can use to pull the report, but we are allowed to obtain a copy of it.
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This is great news, Jaded! I can fax the info if it is okay with you. Can you PM me with the contact and fax information? Thank you very much:).

Lion
 
LionRun said:
This is great news, Jaded! I can fax the info if it is okay with you. Can you PM me with the contact and fax information? Thank you very much:).

Lion
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Sounds great! Just having that report will be beneficial to us. Maybe it will answer some of the questions that we have.
 
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