FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #19

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First off Im not blaming the vitcim, Im just pointing out others incidents that I feel important, everyone seems to be going off on DS2 about his drinking and anger. Im just pointing out that there are two sides to everything, and while the police reports wont help find michelle, its shows that she was violent at times as well. DS2 is the prime suspect does that make him the devil? Not sure, but if LE had something concrete on him where do you think he would be? Everyones pointing out the DS2 has a different side to him, well maybe what if MP does also, and its being overlooked? Maybe something happened to MP thats so tiny that its being overlooked and thats why she isnt being found? As far as we know theyve searched his house, his dads house, several lakes and channels in between the two houses and have found nothing? Seems like everyone is so focused on him, that the real reason may be slipping away. Im not LE and I dont know everything but Im looking at thinkgs with an open mind.

BBM
I will agree with you, however wouldn't you agree if Michelle had a different side to her, Dale would've clued LE in on it? Since Michelle knew Dale was posting on Craigslist, I have to believe Dale knew she also had a different side to her. (if she did)

I also, want to believe Dale was in love with Michelle and he would do anything he possibly could to help them with the investigation. I'm sure he still had feelings for her, how could he not when they have beautiful children together?

I don't think anyone is turning on you. They are not attacking you, the poster, only the post. I'm open to exploring new theories with you. I hope you continue to post. You've brought new possibilities to the forum that I believe LE should look into if they haven't already.


BTW Welcome!
 
First off Im not blaming the vitcim, Im just pointing out others incidents that I feel important, everyone seems to be going off on DS2 about his drinking and anger. Im just pointing out that there are two sides to everything, and while the police reports wont help find michelle, its shows that she was violent at times as well. DS2 is the prime suspect does that make him the devil? Not sure, but if LE had something concrete on him where do you think he would be? Everyones pointing out the DS2 has a different side to him, well maybe what if MP does also, and its being overlooked? Maybe something happened to MP thats so tiny that its being overlooked and thats why she isnt being found? As far as we know theyve searched his house, his dads house, several lakes and channels in between the two houses and have found nothing? Seems like everyone is so focused on him, that the real reason may be slipping away. Im not LE and I dont know everything but Im looking at thinkgs with an open mind.

Thank you! I'm sorry again if I came off as harsh, I just wanted a better understanding of what you were saying. Please don't stop posting! I think you add a great deal to the discussion! =)
 
I dont see an escort, stripper maybe back in his younger days.

I like how people are always quick to judge people on their looks. MP stayed with him for a while, she mist have saw something, she also said he was always cheating, so other girls were inerested, she did say he had 7 girls in the house.

I try not to judge people based on looks, <mod snip>.



He only cheated with 7 girls?? Well, he may not have looks but he sure is classy.
 
I can't believe someone new would uncover these documents before someone here! *clutches pearls*


If I'm not mistaken, these can be picked up from OPD or whomever the agency is. They should be public record, but not all things are accessible online. So a trip to wherever would be needed. jmo
 
He only cheated with 7 girls?? Well, he may not have looks but he sure is classy.

There's "only 7" that Michelle knew of, but where there's smoke, there's fire. Dale seemed to be hooking up with ladies and possibly men left and right (via Craig's List).

I know Michelle wasn't perfect, but we haven't heard any rumors of Michelle cheating. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure we would have heard those rumors by now. She seemed very focused on doing what was right to keep it together for the kids.
 
There's "only 7" that Michelle knew of, but where there's smoke, there's fire. Dale seemed to be hooking up with ladies and possibly men left and right (via Craig's List).

I know Michelle wasn't perfect, but we haven't heard any rumors of Michelle cheating. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure we would have heard those rumors by now. She seemed very focused on doing what was right to keep it together for the kids.


You took the words right out of my mouth. (And then re-worded them, much, much better.)

Michelle wasn't perfect. No one is. But just like you said - 'she seemed very focused on doing what was right, to keep it together for the kids.' I think that, had she any major skeletons in the closet (and we ALL do, I would think) - they would have come ramblin' out, for their 15 minutes of fame. Hasn't happened. To me, that's suggestive that....those major skeletons simply don't exist. Just my two cents, and all that jazz....master. (Wow, I'm slap happy today. Need more coffee).
 
MOO of course, but I can attest from all the waaaaaaaaay back, long ago, even at the very beginning that we have addressed Michelle, her strong personality, and that many of us, tho did not know her personally, but were of the opinion that Shelly was no shrinking violet.. I think it's likely what drew Dale to her in strong attraction, yet at that same time tho extremely attracted and even turned on by a woman who stood up to him, didn't cower to him immediately, and was feisty and gave him hell right back.. But at that same time tho strongly attracted and intrigued by her strong, vivacious nature.. It too served as a major bone of contention in that IMO he was not used to someone standing up strongly to him and IMO while exciting, it was also once incensing that he couldn't "break her" into being submissive..*

IMO Michelle was so very many things but I believe she was deeply passionate and passionate in everything g she did!! Michelle is so much like me in many ways(from personality to interests to occupation)especially me a decade ago in a relationship where he and I brought the worst out in each other, yes, even physically.. I think she did fight back, she did engage him physically.. Again this doesn't make Michelle bad, IMO its just that she had self worth, and a strong personality that didn't take it lying down when treated like chit, disrespected, cheated on, etc..

And again I believe while this on one hand made Michelle extremely attractive to Dale, all the more a challenge, on the other hand his controlling and abusive needs to at the end of the day be in total control over "his woman" and IMO he could never succeed in breaking Michelle down .. IMO this enraged him, especially after they were over and she was happily moving on.. Dales ego and abusive need for control couldn't move on and let it go, let her go, never having broken her down to submitting.. He had to have control over her and at any cost I believe he felt the need to prove so to himself and to Michelle..

So, our discussions of the strong woman that Michelle was, that didn't take his bs lying down like a doormat to be walked over, but rather gave him hell right back at him, this topic is not new, taboo, or freshly uncovered.. I don't see it as a negative, as a bad trait, that somehow is seen or twisted into a negative light on her.. Michelle IMO believed strongly in who and what she was, she didn't cower to Dale and while I believe that there very likely were times when they both were physical and confrontational it never in any way whatsoever condones Dale's abusing her, nor that he was within his right to do so.. He wasn't.. Michelle was being the strong woman that she'd always been and Dale was determined to break down that strong woman at any cost.. That's not Michelle's problem, issue, or fault.. That completely lies squarely on Dale Jr alone..

IMO its Dale's inadequacy he felt as a "man" that could not allow *a strong woman to coexist.. And to be the mother to his only children.. IMO that for Dale was just not an option.. Jmo, tho..

I think as far as the *almost were gonna arrest* Michelle "reports" go that there is no one blasting, nor being rude to anyone about them.. It's being asked to back up these statements.. This is no opinion based information, but rather documented proof that according to TOS has to be provided to back up the claims.. I believe that's the only issue and it was asked that it be provided.. That's only fair that to make accusations, especially accusations that are of a criminal nature(which these definitely are.. DV,cyberstalking,etc) it's just plain and simple the accusations must have evidence to back them up, or they don't belong.. IMO that's not being nasty, not even bashing the post, it's not being rude its just following TOS which keeps this site with fact backed truth, and not embellished opinion or rumor..
 
There's "only 7" that Michelle knew of, but where there's smoke, there's fire. Dale seemed to be hooking up with ladies and possibly men left and right (via Craig's List).

I know Michelle wasn't perfect, but we haven't heard any rumors of Michelle cheating. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure we would have heard those rumors by now. She seemed very focused on doing what was right to keep it together for the kids.

BBM

The only thing we've heard is that the fight that prompted the lost ring and PC case started over a spiteful comment that DSJr made to Michelle at the convention about how she shouldn't have been dating a guy named Paul. She claimed it was while they were broken up.

MOO
 
Hes been in trouble for fighting in 91 and 96 I think it was, and drugs and DV in 2000. What has he done since then? Nothing really I think. Maybe he did change, maybe his friends and people in the last 10 years havent seen anything and believe him to be the person they know him as because he turned his life around?

Michelle filed a restraing order in 2009, but was dropped for lack of evidence, could it be possible that she made things up to get the order and the judge saw right through it. I know she saidhe put his hands on her during the PC, but we all know people lie. Ive done some digging around with OPD and Ive found 2 cases where DS2 has called the police to their house because MP was drunk and causing problems. First time police were gonna arrrest her but DS2 didnt press charges, and the second time MP was going to be arrested for DV and Cyber Stalking. To me it looks like MP isnt the saint that shes made out to be, I believe she had more going on in her life then is being led on to be. Once I figure out how to post the police reports I will.

BBM

IIRC..Didn't Dale Jr. push a reporter sometime in the last few months?
I believe it was on video.

This indicates impulsivity under stress.
 
I still bet Michelle kept a diary of some sort, or notes, and hopefully LE has it. If she had problems with DS in the past and ever saw an attorney, he'd have recommended she keep thorough notes. In fact, even Nicole Simpson keep notes about OJ's abuse. I do know my neighbor had trouble with an ex and both LE and an attorney advised her to keep detailed notes of every single contact with him...dates, times, conversations, etc.
If LE has something like this they're probably keeping it close and it won't be released until trial, if there ever is one. I wish we knew! A diary or notes might explain so much! Sometimes I just get so frustrated wondering what happened to Michelle.
 
Yesterday, 09:16 AM BigCityLightsGrl,

I see you doing a lot of talking, but I'm not seeing any links to back it up. For example, could you please substantiate what you are saying so the rest of us can get on board? I would like to see and hear the lady reading Michelle's statement, for example. See your statement below:


BigCityLightsGrl: I also remember seeing on NG show the day of the emergency hearing, a lady reading a letter at the beginning of the show from Michelle stating that Dale was never violent or abusive towards her, that he cheated on her and lied about it and thats where most of their problems came from. Im guessing that his attorneys have that as well since she was reading stading next to them at the courthouse."

Sorry, I just don't have time to try to research every statement and claim made on this board. In the future, hook us up, please. I know its easy to just SAY stuff, it's a little harder to substantiate it.

Lets all do our part to help each other to help Michelle. TIA
 
Hes been in trouble for fighting in 91 and 96 I think it was, and drugs and DV in 2000. What has he done since then? Nothing really I think. Maybe he did change, maybe his friends and people in the last 10 years havent seen anything and believe him to be the person they know him as because he turned his life around?

Michelle filed a restraing order in 2009, but was dropped for lack of evidence, could it be possible that she made things up to get the order and the judge saw right through it. I know she saidhe put his hands on her during the PC, but we all know people lie. Ive done some digging around with OPD and Ive found 2 cases where DS2 has called the police to their house because MP was drunk and causing problems. First time police were gonna arrrest her but DS2 didnt press charges, and the second time MP was going to be arrested for DV and Cyber Stalking. To me it looks like MP isnt the saint that shes made out to be, I believe she had more going on in her life then is being led on to be. Once I figure out how to post the police reports I will.

Again, LINKS??? PHOTO COPIES??? WHERE ARE THEY??? I see assertions, but nothing to substantiate them...????????
 
No matter if Michelle gave as good as she got, she did not deserve what has apparently happened to her. I pray every day that Michelle is found and the perp pays!!!!
 
Hi all,

I was sort of scratching my head wondering why the next fundraiser (poker run) for Michelle is being held in Daytona. I thought it seemed a little far out compared to others held for her.

Not sure if anyone else here saw that the guy holding this event is based out of Daytona (Frank Micari)

Here's the event web page:

http://www.motorcyclemonster.com/events/michelle-parker-come-home-2012-03-04-Daytona-FL.html

Here's an article on Frank's story - pretty touching:

http://www.palmcoastobserver.com/news/palm-coast/News/020120123219/Frank-Micari-a-voice-for-the-missing
 
Yesterday, 09:16 AM BigCityLightsGrl,

I see you doing a lot of talking, but I'm not seeing any links to back it up. For example, could you please substantiate what you are saying so the rest of us can get on board? I would like to see and hear the lady reading Michelle's statement, for example. See your statement below:


BigCityLightsGrl: I also remember seeing on NG show the day of the emergency hearing, a lady reading a letter at the beginning of the show from Michelle stating that Dale was never violent or abusive towards her, that he cheated on her and lied about it and thats where most of their problems came from. Im guessing that his attorneys have that as well since she was reading stading next to them at the courthouse."

Sorry, I just don't have time to try to research every statement and claim made on this board. In the future, hook us up, please. I know its easy to just SAY stuff, it's a little harder to substantiate it.

Lets all do our part to help each other to help Michelle. TIA

Okay I found the link to NG that BigCityLightsGrl was referring to. I must admit that I did miss that. But to be honest, I've never known an abused woman who hasn't written something like that at some point in a tumultuous relationship to try to justify to someone why they returned to the abuser. We just don't know the context of this "letter" or statement purportedly written by Michelle. Nor do we know when she wrote it. Things could have escalated after it was written or she was simply trying to ease someone's mind about the relationship.

There are many different forms of abuse and there is certainly indication that he was at least emotionally abusive. Throwing her out of a hotel room with nowhere to go in the middle of the night and making her use a plastic bag for her belongings when he didn't want her to have his suitcase is one example. Leaving her on the side of the road is another. Not to mention packing her belongings up and dumping her off at her mother's house.

And then of course you've got her saying, in the flesh, that he shouldn't have put his hands on her on more than one occasion. So that "letter" or text or whatever it was just doesn't cut it in the grand scheme of things IMO. I'm sure there is a long line of people who can come up with other statements that Michelle made that will negate this "letter". Not to mention, didn't her 11 year old child testify that same day that he had seen DSJr hit his mother?

Michelle Parker: Nancy 12/1/11 - YouTube

MOO
 
Again, LINKS??? PHOTO COPIES??? WHERE ARE THEY??? I see assertions, but nothing to substantiate them...????????

BigCityLightsGrl did indicate that she got those reports from the what I assume to be the courthouse so I'm sure if she can figure out how to host them she will. I assume you won't find an online link because the charges were never actually filed?

But I believe her because DSJr did the same thing in 2003 with another girl, likely a former girlfriend. Filed DV charges against her and I believe requested a restraining order? You can see that case at the Orange County Clerk site... http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=790841

I can't read these cases very well but perhaps someone who can will let us know if this case was also dismissed.

So domestic violence seems to follow him like a black cloud. And it doesn't appear as though he's changed his ways, just changed his way of dealing with it. File first? Work these poor, seemingly intelligent and rational women up into a frenzy with repeated manipulation, cheating, lies and at the very least emotional abuse and then call LE on them when they get irrational during one of their neverending arguments? And file charges against them like they are the unstable ones? And then he went on to charge her in what appears to be civil court in 2005 for damages. Almost the same situation as Michelle. I wonder if this case made it to the PC too? Funny but I don't see a long record of violence on this other woman either, just on him. In fact the only cases on file for her are from him.

MOO
 
BigCityLightsGrl did indicate that she got those reports from the what I assume to be the courthouse so I'm sure if she can figure out how to host them she will. I assume you won't find an online link because the charges were never actually filed?

But I believe her because DSJr did the same thing in 2003 with another girl, likely a former girlfriend. Filed DV charges against her and I believe requested a restraining order? You can see that case at the Orange County Clerk site... http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=790841

I can't read these cases very well but perhaps someone who can will let us know if this case was also dismissed.

So domestic violence seems to follow him like a black cloud. And it doesn't appear as though he's changed his ways, just changed his way of dealing with it. File first? Work these poor, seemingly intelligent and rational women up into a frenzy with repeated manipulation, cheating, lies and at the very least emotional abuse and then call LE on them when they get irrational during one of their neverending arguments? And file charges against them like they are the unstable ones? And then he went on to charge her in what appears to be civil court in 2005 for damages. Almost the same situation as Michelle. I wonder if this case made it to the PC too? Funny but I don't see a long record of violence on this other woman either, just on him. In fact the only cases on file for her are from him.

MOO
Kamille,
I don't know I think it's all just one big string of coincidences. Coincidences seem to follow DS around. Maybe bad luck?

It could just a coincidence Dale was the last known person to see Michelle and just a coincidence all of Michelle's items (vehicle, phone, etc) were found between his condo and his Dad's home. Just a coincidence too that all of the phone activity happened in that area too. Finally it could be just a coincidence that other spouses and girlfriends filed domestic abuse charges in one form or another and he went to court several times fighting these women.

I'm sure glad I don't have that kind of luck.
 
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