IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #20

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I'll also say this. If CR was seen on video, helping, carrying etc. Lauren down the street to North Townhouses, then why didn't he just help her to her apartment at Smallwood where she lived?

She lived on the fifth floor, and CR got beat up on the fifth floor elevator lobby, so clearly he wouldn't go back there.
Why did she leave with him instead of going to her apartment-maybe she didn't want to stop partying just yet?
 
I'm sorry, I just can not buy this explanation.

And why exactly? I think CR and LS were going up to her apartment when he got beat up in an elevator lobby. After which he left. I don't think he was going to go back to the fifth floor to got beat up again. And she might have not wanted to turn in just yet, and wanted to continue partying. If MB is to be believed (as reported by the lawyer), apparently she wanted to party some more even after she got to MB's and CR's apartment. So, what exactly doesn't make sense?
 
Yes we do know that.
But we do not know who else lives on the 5th floor:waitasec:

Based on the mycase records, at least one other good friend of JW's also lives on the fifth floor. (Not a POI)

Re: What CR could have to hide that MB doesn't?
One possibility would be providing LS with drugs, which could result in a murder charge in the event of an overdose.
 
What could CR possibly be hiding that MB is not?

Well...for starters escorting someone he knows to be under age 21 into a bar and/or possibly providing that same person with recreational drugs during the course of the evening.
Either of these things could be considered as contributing to her impairment leading to injury or death.
I suppose it depends on how you sell it to the jury.

LS was supposedly telling people at the bar about the drugs she had taken. Those drugs had to come from somewhere. I guess if I can't remember anything then I wouldn't remember giving her an Xbar now would I?

You're conjecture that she went to the bar without CR defies logic. She partied (per witness) with CR at JR's Left there with CR (per witness) to go to the bar. Arrived at SW (per video) with CR and left there (per video) with same.
All we need is the bouncer to say "yeah, i remember them coming in together" to confirm what common sense tells us happened.

Now, if I represent you and I know that the possibilities of civil action are there then I don't necessarily want to hear about anyone seeing you come in, leave with, or party at the bar with the missing girl...and by the way "you don't remember anything".
 
And why exactly? I think CR and LS were going up to her apartment when he got beat up in an elevator lobby. After which he left. I don't think he was going to go back to the fifth floor to got beat up again. And she might have not wanted to turn in just yet, and wanted to continue partying. If MB is to be believed (as reported by the lawyer), apparently she wanted to party some more even after she got to MB's and CR's apartment. So, what exactly doesn't make sense?

Because if Lauren did live on the 5th floor, and the altercation happened there, then why leave and not walk her down the hall to her own room?

Carl Salzmann said his client was punched when confronted by friends of Spierer's boyfriend in the 5th floor elevator lobby of Spierer's smallwood Plaza apartment building.
http://tinyurl.com/3p66s4t
 
You're conjecture that she went to the bar without CR defies logic. She partied (per witness) with CR at JR's Left there with CR (per witness) to go to the bar.

Your "witness" is HT, who was not present, and therefore is not a witness. I don't think anyone disputes CR was at JR's, but it does not seem clear that they went to Sports together. I have read statements that they did not, and may not have been together throughout the time at Sports. Just saying.
 
Why would she go to her room if the person she wanted to party with was leaving?

It has never seemed unbelievable to me that Lauren wanted to be with CR that night.
 
Because if Lauren did live on the 5th floor, and the altercation happened there, then why leave and not walk her down the hall to her own room?

Maybe he didn't want to deal with her roommates?
Maybe he wasn't welcome in her apartment per her roommates?
Maybe he tried and she wasn't having it-- and just wanted to go back out?
 
Because if Lauren did live on the 5th floor, and the altercation happened there, then why leave and not walk her down the hall to her own room?

Carl Salzmann said his client was punched when confronted by friends of Spierer's boyfriend in the 5th floor elevator lobby of Spierer's smallwood Plaza apartment building.
http://tinyurl.com/3p66s4t

CR was confronted in an elevator lobby. And allegedly punched. So he probably quickly got out of there back from where he came from (using an elevator) rather than trying to get to her apartment (in which case I presume he could have gotten beat up again). I think that makes perfect sense.
 
Soooo, then why go there to Smallwood in the first place?

Because they were going to LS's apartment?
How could CR know he was going to be allegedly beat up and couldn't get there?
 
I know this may seem like a dumb question, but does anyone know if they checked the basements of all the buildings in the area? A lot of apartment buildings have storage areas, places where students can put away luggage after unpacking.
I apologize if this has been discussed. TIA
 
I know this may seem like a dumb question, but does anyone know if they checked the basements of all the buildings in the area? A lot of apartment buildings have storage areas, places where students can put away luggage after unpacking.
I apologize if this has been discussed. TIA

I would hope so. But you never know. There was a Purdue University student found in an electrical closet two months after he went missing. And they did look for him but didn't find the body for two months.
 
I'm honestly not attempting to be difficult, I just want to talk this through, because they went there for a reason. Yes he was punched there, apparently not hard enough to break much skin according to those who saw him the next day. So, he was punched, he was apparently still able to carry LS who was totally out of it home to his place, rather than walk down the hall and help her to her own room. Something isn't adding up for me.
 
Right, they must have gone there for SOME reason. But it could have been as simple as "Let's run by my place to see who's around"-- it doesn't necessarily need to be for a specific reason.

I get your point, but they could have just gone there on a whim.
 
Right, they must have gone there for SOME reason. But it could have been as simple as "Let's run by my place to see who's around"-- it doesn't necessarily need to be for a specific reason.

I get your point, but they could have just gone there on a whim.

They might have wanted to hang out but after he got allegedly punched he might have just wanted to get out of there. If there are people between him and LS apartment willing to beat him up I don't see why he would be trying to get into the apartment.
 
Remember that him carrying her came from a "source" on one website. It is possible they were both drunk, both falling over each other, but not that she was unconscious and he literally had to carry her from one place to the other. I don't doubt they were a mess, but at this point in the night I doubt she was unable to do anything but be carried around. I will revise that opinion, of course, if more facts emerge.
 
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