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I apologize if this has been mentioned on here before (I spent several hours catching up on my reading here on the forum, and I didn't see it).
On p.349 of Kolar's book, this really made my eyes widen:
Regarding his viewing of a videotape of Dr. Susanne Bernhard's early-in-the-aftermath interview with BR on January 8, 1997, he writes, "I was taken aback at another comment offered during the playing of a board game. The nature of the game involved guessing the features of faces hidden on the opponent's side of the game board. Burke had mistakenly flipped down a face on his side of the board and then returned it to an upright position, commenting: 'Oops, you're not dead yet.' This off-hand comment seemed extremely callous and suggested little care or concern for the circumstances at hand. I would later think that this comment might have its source in the events surrounding the death of Jon Benet."

Kind-of gives one a chill...:what:
 
I'm RDI and that comment means nothing to me

people see sinister meaning where they want to, especially if they have an agenda - they want to use every little thing as a building block toward the creation of their truth when in fact, the majority of those little things have nothing to do with the truth IMO

Kolar condemns a child for making a comment that Kolar views as extremely callous, whereas others might think what an unfortunate choice of words but the poor child doesn't realize it

c'mon - it's a child and heck, even an adult could've easily said something inappropriate in the same circumstances

can I ask a question of those who've read or are reading the book? does it seem as though Kolar is trying to make a case for Burke being a sociopath? was the passage above noted in that context?
 
I'll have more to say after I read the book, but I will say that as of this point, I do not believe BR is or was a sociopath. I think he did exhibit some "dissociative disorder" stereotypic behavior at the time, and he just seemed/looked like an odd kid. (MOO). I think there was a lot of disfunction in the family and likely some sibling rivalry (which occurs in most families). I think BR, having been caught "playing doctor" on occasion, took a dominant position over his little (and in his mind, more favored) sister when he could, and at some point that night, JB ended up bashed into a coma. His parents covered it up, having lost JB and not wanting to lose BR as well (figuratively if not literally) went into overdrive, adrenaline-fueled mode that night. One action led to another to the point of no return. Had judge who sealed the phone records had a spine, I think THERE would be the beginning of the unravelling of this case. From those first, awful, early-morning moments of the 25/26th, one step led to another. Like a child telling a lie, when questioned, one lie begets another until the point of no return. Then, they CAN'T look back. Now the truth CAN'T be told, because all the lies that preceded it might rock Boulder all the way to the (then) Governor's office, if not higher (Lockeed?).
 
I find the comment alarming in light of the totality of information, evidence and witness statements reported in Kolar's book.

If the comment had occurred in a vacuum, I could more easily attribute it to a mindless kid thing to say while playing a game.
 
Yes, thats it..there are many little things which of themselves mean nothing, but taken as a whole paint a sad picture...but perhaps I am just seeing things, I do acknowledge that.
 
I wonder what board game it was. I can't imagine a kid saying that during any kid's board game but it sounds like a memory game and it was a flipped down face that he associated as dead once it was down. He won by it being dead and not his skills and memory? Wow. Even nintendo wasn't violent back then. The little men just fell or whatever and had to start over so that can not be blamed..
 
txsvicki said:
I wonder what board game it was. I can't imagine a kid saying that during any kid's board game but it sounds like a memory game and it was a flipped down face that he associated as dead once it was down. He won by it being dead and not his skills and memory? Wow. Even nintendo wasn't violent back then. The little men just fell or whatever and had to start over so that can not be blamed..
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IMO it sounds like "Guess Who?" - one of my kids favorite games when they were little. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guess_Who%3F"]Guess Who? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
DeeDee249 said:
I'll have more to say after I read the book, but I will say that as of this point, I do not believe BR is or was a sociopath. I think he did exhibit some "dissociative disorder" stereotypic behavior at the time, and he just seemed/looked like an odd kid. (MOO). I think there was a lot of disfunction in the family and likely some sibling rivalry (which occurs in most families). I think BR, having been caught "playing doctor" on occasion, took a dominant position over his little (and in his mind, more favored) sister when he could, and at some point that night, JB ended up bashed into a coma. His parents covered it up, having lost JB and not wanting to lose BR as well (figuratively if not literally) went into overdrive, adrenaline-fueled mode that night. One action led to another to the point of no return. Had judge who sealed the phone records had a spine, I think THERE would be the beginning of the unravelling of this case. From those first, awful, early-morning moments of the 25/26th, one step led to another. Like a child telling a lie, when questioned, one lie begets another until the point of no return. Then, they CAN'T look back. Now the truth CAN'T be told, because all the lies that preceded it might rock Boulder all the way to the (then) Governor's office, if not higher (Lockeed?).
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I totally agree with you. Do we know what BR does for a living or if he has emotional problems? He has been ke[pt out of the limelight so to speak as an adult.
 
passionflower said:
I totally agree with you. Do we know what BR does for a living or if he has emotional problems? He has been ke[pt out of the limelight so to speak as an adult.
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I think he keeps a low profile- he did graduate college and he works. Not sure where. Only those closest to him would know whether he has emotional problems. If he does, it wouldn't be surprising, but obviously they are not so severe that the general public would know.
 
In reading various book reviews and comments i saw a mention of 3 drawings done by burke. Does anyone know if they are online to be viewed anywhere? I can't find any but seem to recall they were able to be seen some years back.
 
DeeDee249 said:
I'll have more to say after I read the book, but I will say that as of this point, I do not believe BR is or was a sociopath. I think he did exhibit some "dissociative disorder" stereotypic behavior at the time, and he just seemed/looked like an odd kid. (MOO). I think there was a lot of disfunction in the family and likely some sibling rivalry (which occurs in most families). I think BR, having been caught "playing doctor" on occasion, took a dominant position over his little (and in his mind, more favored) sister when he could, and at some point that night, JB ended up bashed into a coma. His parents covered it up, having lost JB and not wanting to lose BR as well (figuratively if not literally) went into overdrive, adrenaline-fueled mode that night. One action led to another to the point of no return. Had judge who sealed the phone records had a spine, I think THERE would be the beginning of the unravelling of this case. From those first, awful, early-morning moments of the 25/26th, one step led to another. Like a child telling a lie, when questioned, one lie begets another until the point of no return. Then, they CAN'T look back. Now the truth CAN'T be told, because all the lies that preceded it might rock Boulder all the way to the (then) Governor's office, if not higher (Lockeed?).
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I almost agree with you totally on your overall scenario. I submit the boldtype word CAN'T in the last line of your post, might be instead: WON'T, respectfully, IMHO. Someone in either the BPD or the DA's Office who just might have a tortured sense of doing the right thing just once in his/her life, COULD step into a position of courageous bravery and help seek the resolve of justice this case deserves. Please read Kolar's book, page 422, 2nd paragraph. Even he feels there is hope! :worms: Yet, also feels great dismay at it ever being evitible.
 
I'm afraid I put this into the category of trying to connect everything to the crime when not everything is connected to the crime.
 
If I recall correctly, the "Guess Who" game has nothing to do with killing off characters, so the "not dead yet" comment makes no sense in the context of the game.
 
Britt said:
If I recall correctly, the "Guess Who" game has nothing to do with killing off characters, so the "not dead yet" comment makes no sense in the context of the game.
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but it makes lots of sense when one considers how many 'off-hand' comments people make daily that have the word 'dead' in them

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/dead

and how those comments can infiltrate every aspect of our lives, including innocent game playing by children
 
It could possibly also be related to his knowing that his sister did'nt die right away and still thinking about it and relating it to a person being face down .
 
or not.....

I think we should be relying on actual evidence rather than speculating on how something might fit into a theory if used out of context.
 
wonderllama said:
or not.....

I think we should be relying on actual evidence rather than speculating on how something might fit into a theory if used out of context.
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Yeah, I don't see the direct correlation like with Scott Peterson prophesying (sp?) his wife's death 3 weeks before he kills her. I think it's reaching...:twocents:
 
I think--and it's just my opinion--this is why Kolar continues to refuse to "lay out" his own theory of what happened to JonBenet that night.

He's not "condemning" a child by any means. Kolar spends a fair amount of time discussing his own struggle with writing this book because of these unanswered questions and speculations.
 
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