ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #10

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It has been mentioned in media reports that Magnotta's defense attorney, Pierre Panaccio, had previously represented the Hells Angels. Panaccio's legal dealings with the Hells Angels took some extraordinarily fascinating twists and turns, this is showcased in the following article by Mike King:

From The Canadian Lawyer July 2009

Gangsta rap
When Quebec provincial police launched Operation Piranha in February 2004 to investigate a drug-smuggling ring with links to traditional organized crime and the Mafia, they likely weren’t expecting to put the bite on a Montreal lawyer.

http://www.canadianlawyermag.com/Gangsta-rap.html?print=1&tmpl=component

I share this article because thus far we have limited knowledge of Attorney Panaccio and found this article provided some insights.
 
Sunday said:
I know that Lin Jun had engaged in what some would perceive as questionable internet activity and posted gay personal ads, so I don't think he was naive at all. I'm guessing he just met Luka at a gay bar in town or something.
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eh both were : into technology - by that I mean twitter, interacting on gay chat/ dating sites etc so they prob met via that avenue. Here at WS we learned that both were registered with http://www.realjock.com/2hot2handle4
http://www.realjock.com/westpsp so that is prob how they met
 
Cappuccino said:
No, it should be served where the crime is committed. Anything else would lead to madness and confusion, not to mention open season on victims from countries where the justice system is in chaos.

The Canadian courts are well able to deal with the likes of Luka Magnotta. And I don't believe he will enter an insanity plea either, nor that it would work if he did enter one.
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You have much more faith than I in Quebec Justice System. Too many cases of late that are of concern. It seems mental disorders/illnesses seem to top the defence tactics. Montrealers are furious over the Guy Turcotte case. There may be an uproar if the same happened to Eric Newman.:moo:
 
CARIIS said:
eh both were : into technology - by that I mean twitter, interacting on gay chat/ dating sites etc so they prob met via that avenue. Here at WS we learned that both were registered with http://www.realjock.com/2hot2handle4
http://www.realjock.com/westpsp so that is prob how they met
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Cariis: Good job in making that connection.

In looking at Magnotta's profile: he joined, updated his profile and was last active on 08/19/10. I could be wrong, but this would indicate to me that he signed up for the site but was never an active user.

That being said, good job by you at making that potential connection.
 
~n/t~ said:
You have much more faith than I in Quebec Justice System. Too many cases of late that are of concern. It seems mental disorders/illnesses seem to top the defence tactics. Montrealers are furious over the Guy Turcotte case. There may be an uproar if the same happened to Eric Newman.:moo:
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No system is perfect. Call me a bleeding heart liberal if you like, but I'd prefer a fair trial in front of an impartial judge than a system where he would be lined up in front of a firing squad in between some human rights activists, political dissidents and Tibetan monks.
 
~n/t~ said:
Exactly! His attorney MAY request a psych evaluation. As of right now, there is nothing to suggest he has mental illness. A defense tactic indeed.

IMO, when the defense has NO defense, they go this route and sadly, it could take years for the process hence delaying justice for the victim and the family.
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Yesterday, there was discussion regarding Luka/ medications/mental health issues. It seems as if some were not sure if he suffered with mental illiness..From FAMILY:

........... post from the same Yourkin-Williams family MySpace page that was created on the personal Magnotta page, reading: "Luka Magnotta walks around his condo dressed to the nines in new clothes and then changes every hour. He has a mental disorder and is very very unpredictable. He abuses alot of medication and calls his pills 'vitamins.'"

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...-magnotta-all-too-well-but-who-is-eric-newman
 
Someone yesterday posted an article from National Post (?) have to go to work or I would find it. Few things since I won't be able to post rest of day:
1.Article said way L.M. was brought back to Canada was unprecedented and probably illegal under international law that the correct extradition process as not followed.

2. But IMO Canada could not leave him in Germany though had to get in home could not take risk he would talk.

3. IMO I think much more chance of him being found criminally not responsible they do not like what he is going to say, who he says he has links to (for example has slept with and if there are other government contacts say as an informant).

4. I don't believe (entirely) the story about Quebec wanting to avoid a media circus. Slightly exaggerating here to make my point but it is like LM is being internally renditioned and sent into a black prison. They won't be able to allow him to talk.

5. Don't forget the "pull" factor of the psychiatric establishment which will want to get their hooks in him for study and, if I am right and he is "the man who knows too much" they will have to blast that out of him as well.

6. There are interesting changes to the E. Dramatica page the odd last paragraph which I suggested came more from the "Anonymous" side of that site rather than the simply satirical side, the paragraph that said that he might actually be innocent or have been manipulated into the killing and the actual murder or plot being the responsibility by a highly placed Canadian serial killer has been taken down even though it says the last time the site was edited was May. Also the link to the necrophilia blog of LM as far as I can tell is gone.

6.The problem for Canada will be China which wants justice of course I think this is an international incident in terms of foreign police and Canada will have to try to both appease China and keep LM under wraps. I have no idea how they will do that it is the most interesting thing right now I mean in terms of not being able to guess what they will do.
 
Donyale said:
FootballMom, thank you for this before-after comparison, awesome!
I'd love to be sure about how many surgeries Magnotta went through , he claimed so many on the plastic addict reality show video. Nosejob, hair transplant, under eye bags surgery etc
I keep thinking if they really happened or he fabricated?
Did he ever for once told the real truth or always had to exaggerate or lie?
I know this is unrelated to the murder but it makes me wonder about his personality. I wish I could find pictures of him from around 17 to 20 years old, I've only found from his school yearbooks
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Donyale you raise some very good questions and provided, in my opinion, good images for comparison; thank you.

I find myself doubting that he has had any elective plastic surgery and my reasoning is basically: follow the money. We are aware of his 2007 bankruptcy filing which would demonstrate his financial status, we are led to believe he worked as an escort and we know of no employment that he held for a consistent period of time. This would lead me to believe he would not have the funds to pay for such procedures.

There was one piece of information that I believe ~n/t~ uncovered which was for a continuing monthly payment that was related to medical expenses. ~n/t~ might you please fill in the blanks on that?

In the end, I'm not sure and have the same questions you raised in your post.
 
CARIIS said:
Yesterday, there was discussion regarding Luka/ medications/mental health issues. It seems as if some were not sure if he suffered with mental illiness..From FAMILY:

........... post from the same Yourkin-Williams family MySpace page that was created on the personal Magnotta page, reading: "Luka Magnotta walks around his condo dressed to the nines in new clothes and then changes every hour. He has a mental disorder and is very very unpredictable. He abuses alot of medication and calls his pills 'vitamins.'"

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...-magnotta-all-too-well-but-who-is-eric-newman
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I think that post was from Luka. If I understand the article correctly, he was the one who created the MySpace page, not his family
 
Donyale said:
I agree, if Magnotta gets a similar sentence and be sent to the same prison Paul Bernardo went.... well, let's say Luka will suffer a lot more than death penalty, if the following article tells the truth:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1149055
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For those who think jail is not enough for the likes of Luka and would prefer to have him executed, this makes a good argument against the death penalty.
 
HastingsChi said:
From CityNews Toronto:

World knows Luka Magnotta all too well, but who is Eric Newman?
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/topic/luka_magnotta/article/211178--world-knows-luka-magnotta-all-too-well-but-who-is-eric-newman

Allison Jones provides a thorough-as-possible profile of the early years of Eric Newman.
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Thanks! It's interesting to read from different sources, dailymail also wrote that Luka was bullied and beaten up at one school. Another page says that Luka didn't fit in with other males but wasn' bullied.
It seems to me that every person had a different perception of Eric? some people say he was very shy, quiet, weird while others he was happy and nothing strange, nothing abnormal, was like any other kid...

http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/...omo-coordinator-former-classmate-of-magnotta/

http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/localnews/blogentry.aspx?blogEntryID=10388831
 
HastingsChi said:
Cariis: Good job in making that connection.

In looking at Magnotta's profile: he joined, updated his profile and was last active on 08/19/10. I could be wrong, but this would indicate to me that he signed up for the site but was never an active user.

That being said, good job by you at making that potential connection.
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Your good with the computer (I do not FB/Twitter etc). Is there a way for you to find more re the following data ......here it would be so interesting to learn for real his mental health history - Luka states he suffers with mental illiness and has a long treatment history -- he has been admitted to psyc hospitals.
Can you get more from this :

A posting on a website called Orato, …..a citizen journalist named Luka Magnotta wrote a post in 2007 about overcoming mental illness.
The author says he had a traumatic childhood and experimented with drugs and alcohol when he was a teen, and wound up being hospitalized for a "depressive disorder." After he was released, he says he left home and lived on the streets. His life turned around when he met a social worker who got him into an assisted living facility and he got the right medication.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/05/30/luka-rocca-magnotta.html


PS Assisted Living Facilities are for the severly mentally or physically challenged.....
 
Or, all of the descriptions of differing thinking, feeling and behavior are indeed accurate --they are describing an individual suffering , confused , emotionially troubled, etc huh? .........................
 
CARIIS said:
Your good with the computer (I do not FB/Twitter etc). Is there a way for you to find more re the following data ......here it would be so interesting to learn for real his mental health history - Luka states he suffers with mental illiness and has a long treatment history -- he has been admitted to psyc hospitals.
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The following Information is from the Canadian Bar Association's information page on Medical Records privacy & information found here:
http://www.cba.org/bc/public_media/health/421.aspx

Are your medical records confidential?
Yes, in most cases your medical records are confidential. Doctors and hospitals must not give them to anyone else, except in certain cases:

Other people who give you medical care, such as specialists, will need your medical records.
If you’re in a lawsuit about your medical history, your lawyer will need your medical records. Usually, doctors and hospitals will copy your medical records to your lawyer if you ask them to.
A court can order your medical records be shown to other people and lawyers in a lawsuit.
If you apply for life or health insurance, the insurance company will often need your medical records before giving you insurance.
Some types of jobs may require medical information. However, potential employers can get your records only if you agree to let them see the records.

Section 18 of the Personal Information Protection Act, which applies to doctors, lists other reasons for giving out personal information – some of them could apply to medical records. Section 33 of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act, which applies to hospitals, lists other reasons for giving out personal information - some of them could apply to medical records. Both laws are on the following website: www.bclaws.ca.

Doctors also have to release medical information to authorities in certain cases. For example, they must:

report children at risk to the Ministry of Children and Family Development.
tell the motor vehicle branch when a person's ability to drive may be reduced.
tell police if someone’s life or safety may be at risk.

And if police have a search warrant, a doctor may have to release information to obey the warrant.
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Therefore, neither the media or public would have access to Magnotta's medical records.
 
Hasting

I suppose an easier question would have been is there a way to check out the website called Orato and read what the entire thing was?
 
chorley8 said:
someone yesterday posted an article from national post (?) have to go to work or i would find it. Few things since i won't be able to post rest of day:
1.article said way l.m. Was brought back to canada was unprecedented and probably illegal under international law that the correct extradition process as not followed.

2. But imo canada could not leave him in germany though had to get in home could not take risk he would talk.

3. Imo i think much more chance of him being found criminally not responsible they do not like what he is going to say, who he says he has links to (for example has slept with and if there are other government contacts say as an informant).

4. I don't believe (entirely) the story about quebec wanting to avoid a media circus. Slightly exaggerating here to make my point but it is like lm is being internally renditioned and sent into a black prison. They won't be able to allow him to talk.

5. Don't forget the "pull" factor of the psychiatric establishment which will want to get their hooks in him for study and, if i am right and he is "the man who knows too much" they will have to blast that out of him as well.

6. There are interesting changes to the e. Dramatica page the odd last paragraph which i suggested came more from the "anonymous" side of that site rather than the simply satirical side, the paragraph that said that he might actually be innocent or have been manipulated into the killing and the actual murder or plot being the responsibility by a highly placed canadian serial killer has been taken down even though it says the last time the site was edited was may. Also the link to the necrophilia blog of lm as far as i can tell is gone.

6.the problem for canada will be china which wants justice of course i think this is an international incident in terms of foreign police and canada will have to try to both appease china and keep lm under wraps. I have no idea how they will do that it is the most interesting thing right now i mean in terms of not being able to guess what they will do.
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wow!!!
 
Just a quick note to say a huge :tyou: that we are now posting news articles, articles of real interest in this murder case. I really don't care if he's gay/straight/bi/green/blue/purple/French/English/Italian/Martian.....

He's a KILLER and I (for one) want the facts about the trial and the entire process which now is before us.

Again :tyou: !
 
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