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Andy cT-posted Jan 17
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/sout...5OJRIKHNRH54LA
I work with a kid who was close to her. he has shown me provacative text messages that she sent him. When I saw the news last night, I immesiatly put 2 and 2 together. When I sAw him@ work today I asked him if he was okay and or whatever. He told me that she texted him before she took her own life, that on her walk home from school today, a car drove past jet and either the passenger and or the driver hung there heads out the wind and yelled sexual derrogatory remarks at her. According to my source.whom I know is 100% accurate. They called her a whore; ect. Those are the fact. It's none of my business
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Thank you for being one of the first ones to mention that guys are also responsible here. GUYS do exactly what you pointed out: after they have sex with a girl, they frequently toss her aside and then call HER a slut or a whore. This girl was called horrible names by a boy with whom she had sex, after his girlfriend found out about it. Instead of apologizing for his behavior, he blamed Phoebe and called her a dirty slut, but there is a societal expectation that men can abuse women. There is no media attention drawn to it because it is just the way we live here. When girls get mad at girls for moving in on their guy, the media calls it a "case of untouchable mean girls," and starts a witch hunt. Thank you, thank you thank you for speaking the truth and opening up people's eyes to another angle to bullying. |
You amazing, stubborn, curious Sleuth!  You FOUND it! 
Now, there was an article that qouted a story strikingly similar to that topix comment. A Man who worked with a boy who had recieved texts. Same story but the guy was named, I think. It was a reputable site...but I CAN'T remember where...! If anyone does, kindly share.
ETA: Maybe even that site. The article that comment was linked to...maybe the news people from that article were contacted by him, or contacted him after that comment...a few thoughts...
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oh and didn't mean to come across as yelling at you  obviously you know as much as I do about why the documents for the older three haven't been released, and that's basically nothing, just rumors. I just feel like if we found out more about the relationships with the boys we could have a bit of a clearer picture about one thing anyway. |
Oh I could totally hear you yelling at me from... wherever the heck you are. 
But it is confusing, because I too would have guessed that the under-age charges would have been the ones held back.
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I lived in Letterkenny in Co Donegal, about 20 years ago. Even then, even being that close to the border, the 'troubles' were mostly ignored by average people going about their days. It was a very small number of older or unemployed men who ruminated about religious or political differences. And, all of the 'young people' who lived there then (when I was a young person, too!) had more liberal beliefs about divorce, sex, etc.
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This is all so interesting to me. Seems some people over here, in North America, hold more resentments than the people in Ireland. My family and my late husbands family came to Canada in the 1800's, some earlier and they brought with them their resentments. They we're handed down generation to generation. I feel it inside me even abit today, to be honest. Thanks for sharing. It's eye opening, for sure.
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We had a small bomb set off in the department store in town (no injuries - only property damage after store was closed), back in the 80's when I was there. I remember chatting with a woman, pushing a stroller, on the street outside & asked her what she thought about it all. She said something along the lines of "Most people don't have time to think about all of that. We've got kids to feed, bills to pay, houses to care for..."
I keep that in mind, even now, when I think about the other radical/troubled areas of the world. I'm sure that, in some cases, some have the entire population divided. But, in most, I think that it's just the extremists causing trouble & everyone else is just trying to do all of the things that I try to do every day - be happy, healthy, prosper, learn & grow.
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He said all 6 are no longer at SHHS. Does this confirm Austin goes to SHHS?
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It would, to me. But if anybody finds more confirmation, please post links...I'll keep my eye open, too...
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Interesting - except Austin didn't go to SHHS - he went to Springfield. At the moment I don't think it's clear how they met. Also, Austin's sister (or someone who is widely believed to be Austin's sister) commented on someone's facebook status the day Phoebe died that when she told him that Phoebe died he told her why she did it and started laughing.
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Even if that did happen, the laugh could be a defense mechanism and not a sign he was happy about it. Some people laugh when they are not happy, or something went wrong. I don't know why people assume that if someone was laughing he was happy about it, maybe just the opposite.
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Well Dogface Sharon's mom pulled her out. I'm sure the others were asked to leave. Well maybe not with the way Sayer is acting. It's like he wants to cover something up.
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I would think that people who are upset at bullying shouldn't be calling minor teenage girls offensive names. Otherwise I am having a really hard time believing these people are really upset at bullying.
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there is a link to the "townreminder" local newsletter on this blog post from Sauer Kraut, the charges are a headline, not sure what's all in it, I haven't had the time to read it, yet...
http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...victim-part-i/
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Even if that did happen, the laugh could be a defense mechanism and not a sign he was happy about it. Some people laugh when they are not happy, or something went wrong. I don't know why people assume that if someone was laughing he was happy about it, maybe just the opposite.
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I totally agree, some people do laugh when things go wrong. She also mentioned that he was being an a****** (not sure if we're allowed to cuss) about it, so that's why I got the impression that it wasn't just an uncomfortable laughter. But she could be totally lying and I could totally be making things up in my crazy head so guess we'll never know.
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Even if that did happen, the laugh could be a defense mechanism and not a sign he was happy about it...
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Yeah, because when my old boss's son killed himself I laughed about it.
Oh, that's right, I didn't. Never mind.
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I would think that people who are upset at bullying shouldn't be calling minor teenage girls offensive names. Otherwise I am having a really hard time believing these people are really upset at bullying.
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Do you have a hankering for a link, bud?...lol...
Very slow news day. I'm replying to many posts, jjenny... Maureen has a post back a page or so about possible reasons for no dox released for the eldest. I'm going back to read it. It looked full of complicated terms, I wasn't up to it earlier. Now, with a timmy's in hand...I'm ready. Would you care to give it a gander? You are smart, imo...
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Yeah, because when my old boss's son killed himself I laughed about it.
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Not everybody reacts the same. I personally do laugh as a defense mechanism even if I am not happy. In fact I might be very unhappy but I still will laugh.
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Opinion piece dated today (4/12/10) in which the author claims that the bullying in this case and others is not a crime...
http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmana...?z=12&a=447192
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If this sounds derisive, it's not because I doubt the seriousness of the conduct but because the specific counts underscore how clumsy a tool the criminal law is to deal with such behavior. Charging nine students is casting an awfully wide net.
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I wonder if this person read the charge sheet we've seen for the three younger ones.
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Not everybody reacts the same. I personally do laugh as a defense mechanism even if I am not happy. In fact I might be very unhappy but I still will laugh.
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Even if someone you knew killed themselves? Seriously??? There is a reactional mechanism to certain situations, then there is complete sociopathic reaction to, well, as an example, a death....
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I think someone who is comfortable with their emotions may show true sadness when hearing about a death. Some who aren't can cope in many ways, in my experience. Some through shutting down, some through inappropriate responses, such as giggling or laughing. My Mother is like that. She laughs when she's uncomfortable. It's protective, imo.
But there are also people who rejoice in others misery. Evil, really, imo.
I'm not sure which one Austin is...
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Opinion piece dated today (4/12/10) in which the author claims that the bullying in this case and others is not a crime...
http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmana...?z=12&a=447192
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A lot of this is copied from here: http://wtop.com/?sid=1928897&nid=843
ETA... which says that it was originally printed in the Washington Post - so, I guess, it's not plagiarized, anyway - just re-ran in another post paper/online edition
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Even if someone you knew killed themselves? Seriously??? There is a reactional mechanism to certain situations, then there is complete sociopathic reaction to, well, as an example, a death....
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Why do you assume that everybody reacts the same way?
"Another complication, he said, is that laughter can be a response to stimuli other than humor. For some, it can be the result of stress or fear."
http://www.abc15.com/content/living/...VRfqh_gmQ.cspx
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Assume? Not so much. There is inappropriate laughter in certain situations, absolutely. Gawd knows, been there and have done that. Then, there is laughter that is completely and simply wrong. The tragic death of someone (or any death of a human being), in my opinion, rates right up there as wrong on so many levels.
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You should have heard the cracking up that was happening during the serious part of my dad's funeral. We all just needed a release.
And we all miss him deeply, still, every day, almost 20 years later.
I agree that we can't know why Austin, supposedly, laughed. But, I think that, beyond the laughter, he also made some callous comments (reportedly) that might put the laughter in context
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You should have heard the cracking up that was happening during the serious part of my dad's funeral. We all just needed a release.
And we all miss him deeply, still, every day, almost 20 years later.
I agree that we can't know why Austin, supposedly, laughed. But, I think that, beyond the laughter, he also made some callous comments (reportedly) that might put the laughter in context
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I enjoyed the same with family after my Mother died and other beloved family members passed. It is a release as well as remembering/rejoicing how they touched our lives. The stories!
As far as this guy, he was not family who was touched by this precious life. This reaction by him is darker.
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You should have heard the cracking up that was happening during the serious part of my dad's funeral. We all just needed a release.
And we all miss him deeply, still, every day, almost 20 years later.
I agree that we can't know why Austin, supposedly, laughed. But, I think that, beyond the laughter, he also made some callous comments (reportedly) that might put the laughter in context
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My grandmother passed away in January; at her funeral I was crying really hard, and my older brother went to put his arm around me, in the process knocking my purse to the ground. We both cracked up, in the middle of the funeral. Loudly.
That was completely off topic.
BACK ON TOPIC, maybe laughter was a defense mechanism? The whole "don't let them see you cry" thing
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Off topic - they sure seem to have gone with the low bidder for the message board system. It's awful.
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I AM ANGRY. This is the same as before, covered by the Boston Herald. I'd bet there are many people who will feel as pissed as I am about their attitude. They seem to be unrepentant and intent on bullying everyone go away. I think they want their cesspool back. :Benny_monkeysmilies
"South Hadley teachers union president fires back at media’s ‘nasty tone’"
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“Some in the media have painted a picture of South Hadley High School as a school out of control - a place where everyone knew of the bullying and no one did anything about it,” Bill O’Neil, president of the South Hadley Education Association, wrote in a letter to the Herald. “That image is just plain wrong.”
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O’Neil, a high school teacher and former campus safety official, said some of his members, including himself, have received threats by e-mail and phone. He said the incidents were reported to law enforcement. He described the threat he received as “generic.”
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See that? They are using the fact that a few people are harassing them as an excuse to get media to back off. Back off. That means they could slow/decrease reporting on things they SHOULD be reporting on because it's drawing nutbars, is the reasoning... the excuse. THIS is why we can't go all Clint Eastwood on these people. They'll use it. They'll exagerate it, imo. It's to their benefit. It WILL eventually make media back off if it keeps up.
Peeps...if anyone reading this is thinking of contacting people or threatening, please don't. When I see someone doing it I try and give them a heads up...dude, it ain't helpin'.
ETA: NOT that WS'ers would. http://news.bostonherald.com/news/re...osition=recent
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