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Haleigh Cummings Missing from Satsuma, FL since Feb. 9, 2009. Haleigh was born August 17, 2003. She has blonde hair and brown eyes, her ears are pierced and she has a lazy left eye due to Turner Syndrome.


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Old 04-19-2010, 09:11 AM
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2010.4.19 AH Reports yellow rope found

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A yellow rope has been described as a possible murder weapon, possibly used to tie the five year old girl to cinder blocks and sink her body in the St. Johnís River within five miles of the trailer where Haleigh lived with her father and then girlfriend Misty Croslin.

Sources close to the case tell me investigators asked Tommy Croslinís wife, Lindsay, for permission to search the home she once shared with Croslinís parents for evidence and she agreed. Thatís where the yellow rope was found, sources tell me. Lindsay could not be reached for comment.


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Old 04-19-2010, 09:24 AM
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On Friday, Werter denied his client had confessed details to his grandmother, but Sunday night Hollers told me she stands by her account and asked law enforcement to release a transcript of their conversation to prove it. Investigators have only released portions of audio and videotapes of jailhouse conversations they feel does not compromise what Sheriff Jeff Hardy calls a homicide.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:51 AM
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Whether yellow rope was found at the house the parents lived in - or not... we really need to consider the source this story originally came from. Does ANYONE actually believe everything that MC spews? Although, I believe that some truth is woven into the story.

I believe, just like Casey Anthony, she is a compulsive liar. Once they concoct a story in their mind, they actually believe it themselves.

I do believe that MC, RC & TomC hold all of the answers to this entire case.
I just hope once it is all revealed, that there will be justice for Haleigh!
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:52 AM
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Was this JUST found? If it is linked to rope that killed her, I cannot understand why Tommy C would not have gotten rid of the rope before now. How many people are going to leave a murder weapon laying around for a year?

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Old 04-19-2010, 09:59 AM
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Was this JUST found? If it is linked to rope that killed her, I cannot understand why Tommy C would not have gotten rid of the rope before now. How many people are going to leave a murder weapon laying around for a year?
I totally agree!
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:01 AM
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A yellow rope at the bottom of a popularly fished/recreated waterway is pretty lousy circumstantial evidence, imo. Add to that the source of the "tip"... well, thanks for your effort, Art.
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I can't read AH. He just does not seem reliable to me. I expect lies, half-truths, exaggerations, and finger-pointing from the suspects/key players, but not from a "journalist" or whatever he considers himself.
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:05 AM
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Was this JUST found? If it is linked to rope that killed her, I cannot understand why Tommy C would not have gotten rid of the rope before now. How many people are going to leave a murder weapon laying around for a year?
I'm guessing it's not the exact piece of rope he is claiming may be the murder weapon? It's not unusual for people to have yellow nylon rope in/around their homes.
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I'm guessing it's not the exact piece of rope he is claiming may be the murder weapon? It's not unusual for people to have yellow nylon rope in/around their homes.
They said they found two cinder blocks in the river right? Could one of them have had a rope tied to it (?), then finding the rope at the home...much like matching duct tape, I would imagine the characteristics of rope could be compared and vary down to specifics much like duct tape can. Perhaps they had various lengths of the same type of rope and they will match something from the river.

Did any of this family work in construction...I guess "work" being key word here for this family...in anything that would necessitate the use of rope like that? You see it on many contractors trucks, electrical, roofers, tree trimmers, etc. (career doctor shoppers? heh.)
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They said they found two cinder blocks in the river right? Could one of them have had a rope tied to it (?), then finding the rope at the home...much like matching duct tape, I would imagine the characteristics of rope could be compared and vary down to specifics much like duct tape can. Perhaps they had various lengths of the same type of rope and they will match something from the river.

Did any of this family work in construction...I guess "work" being key word here for this family...in anything that would necessitate the use of rope like that? You see it on many contractors trucks, electrical, roofers, tree trimmers, etc. (career doctor shoppers? heh.)
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Yes, Hank Jr & Sr operated a dry wall business. Hank Jr hunted and perhaps fished as well.
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They said they found two cinder blocks in the river right? Could one of them have had a rope tied to it (?), then finding the rope at the home...much like matching duct tape, I would imagine the characteristics of rope could be compared and vary down to specifics much like duct tape can. Perhaps they had various lengths of the same type of rope and they will match something from the river.

Did any of this family work in construction...I guess "work" being key word here for this family...in anything that would necessitate the use of rope like that? You see it on many contractors trucks, electrical, roofers, tree trimmers, etc. (career doctor shoppers? heh.)
Almost everyone I know has nylon rope. It can be used for so many things, since it's so durable...just saying. I don't think it means much if there was rope found in their home.

I would think rope fibers could be matched up. Someone else will know here, I'm sure.
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:21 AM
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Also, I think I had heard before that some family member had a four wheeler. Rope is always on hand in case they need pulled out of deep mud during four-wheeling!
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Yes, Hank Jr & Sr operated a dry wall business. Hank Jr hunted and perhaps fished as well.

If they hauled drywall, I can very well see them using it, in large quantity and lengths, to tie it down in the bed of a truck...some may use bungee cords, but I have seen plenty tied down with nylon rope.

Fishing, if they set traps or nets, they certainly used it to pull the nets/traps in.

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Old 04-19-2010, 10:22 AM
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I'm undecided with the "keep the murder weapon/throw it away" debate.
If you kept the murder weapon and/or knew where it was, then you have control. You can move it, if need be. However, if you get rid of it, then there's a chance someone will find it.

I think I'd want the control...but I don't think I have a criminal mind, so consider the source!
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Old 04-19-2010, 10:27 AM
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I'm undecided with the "keep the murder weapon/throw it away" debate.
If you kept the murder weapon and/or knew where it was, then you have control. You can move it, if need be. However, if you get rid of it, then there's a chance someone will find it.

I think I'd want the control...but I don't think I have a criminal mind, so consider the source!


I'm sure most people would be able to think ahead, like you said, but you have to consider the type of people LE is dealing with in this case. People who are high/doped all of the time, don't really have the ability to think past their next 'score'.
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Was this JUST found? If it is linked to rope that killed her, I cannot understand why Tommy C would not have gotten rid of the rope before now. How many people are going to leave a murder weapon laying around for a year?
I agree.
Maybe LE found a piece of rope in the river. The piece matched some rope, Tommy had at home?
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If rope was used at all in the crime, I doubt the players would consider it as evidence if it was something they had in their house all the time. We see all the time where LE finds rolls od duct tape, trash bags, and other household items that are still in the home and are later matched up to evidence at crime scene. People do not like to throw away perfectly good rope, bags, tape, etc. I doubt it occurred to these folks, since everyone has yellow rope.
I think it is highly possible rope was found in river and in the home searched, but not at all sure this means much at this point.
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I don't think we can ignore Timmy at this point. Didn't all of them work with their dad in the drywall buisiness? They probably all have yellow nylon rope, and Timmy got the heck out of dodge!
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Just like duct tape, it is worth analyzing for unique qualities. I'm sure they are going over those bricks with microscopes looping for fibers.
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Wasn't Ron to have been working for his Aunt Katrina's tree trimming biz right around the time Haleigh disappeared? They use rope too... jmo. Oh heck, let's face it, I don't do any of those things and I have some in the trunk of my car. It's commmmmmmmon.

As far as cinder blocks and rope go-- how easy would it be, even months later, to drop this kind of evidence into a selected section of water (read: near the Croslin's home turf) to underscore the Overstreet connection, and further implicate Joe?
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A yellow rope at the bottom of a popularly fished/recreated waterway is pretty lousy circumstantial evidence, imo. Add to that the source of the "tip"... well, thanks for your effort, Art.
Yep....cause I just pulled a new pack of that stuff out of my cabinet the other day. My husband now has it in his car to mark some trees with at our farm for the tree spade guy to move for us. Just about everyone who ever owned a boat or needed 'waterproof' rope for any other reason probably has some of that kind of yellow rope around somewhere.

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I have yellow rope around here. I never even bought it and can't tell you for sure why I have it.

I'm thinking that unless there is something quite unique about it, like the duct tape in Caylee's case, this would only be "back up" evidence. And because they are in a small town and they bought it locally, probably everyone around there has the same kind of rope.

In summary, the rope may not have a lot of value evidence-wise. I hope I'm wrong. I want swift justice for Haleigh.
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Also, I think I had heard before that some family member had a four wheeler. Rope is always on hand in case they need pulled out of deep mud during four-wheeling!
Yes, there have been several dozen reports of RON using and riding and possibly owning, and also reportedly STEALING a four wheeler in the past year. I would have to put all of them in the rumor category, although there may have been a picture or two posted early on in the case. It's too hard to remember right now.

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UGH! this case makes me wanna get sick to my stomach. I hope Haleigh was dead when they threw her in the lake. I can't imagine being eaten alive by something.

my heart bleeds for Crystal & Ron (I hope he had nothing to do with this)


Whoever did this to Haleigh is NOT human.
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