Found Deceased CA - Phuong Le, 24, Fairfield, 25 April 2010 - #1 - Page 11

lilacwine · #**251** 04-30-2010, 09:00 AM

I thought she graduated but had a test to pass...

could be wrong on that... but regardless...

She could have been studying regarding future interviews... to answer questions etc.

aprilshowers · #**252** 04-30-2010, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyes4crime

Great observation! Even if she was looking at resumes or researching the points a character reference needs to address - why would anyone depict her as studying? Sounds like the person didn't know she passed her boards and thought she was still in school. Time to re-interview!!! moo

...Wish I understood why helping her sister was upsetting - did she have plans?

...Wish I knew why Le called her ex-boss to tell him about the tiff with sister! Or was that really the reason they talked? Did Le ask ex boss for a referenece or part time work? moo

...Wish I knew why Le was so upset about not having a job a few weeks after passing boards...did she owe money to someone?

I wonder if she had a laptop with her? I never heard it mentioned ... so probably not, but just wondering if she did. It's hard to tell, if you see someone on a laptop, if they're studying or surfing the internet.

Herding Cats · #**253** 04-30-2010, 09:28 AM

Just wanted to add my comments regarding student nursing, the stress, and the job shortage...

The stress of nursing school is enormous. It is unrelenting, constant, and you're always operating in high gear. There is no 'down time'. One school in my area had two suicides this year...and we lost a classmate to an auto accident due to lack of sleep. Then the boards come. You spend all your waking hours studying, and your dreamtime is filled with anxiety dreams. There are few people in my class who are not taking medications to help with anxiety, depression, or sleep disturbances. It is an utterly overwhelming and insanely stressful time in the life of a nurse.

The fact that very few new grads are getting jobs also is a significant worry. Students graduate with great grades, but as was stated upthread, there are few jobs for a new grad. One year experience is what I see on all the openings in my area, and we can't find jobs to get that experience. Personally, I want to go into a relatively tough area, so there are programs for me to go to...but most folks don't get hired right away.

Additionally, the ADN program degree - which is what most places offer - is no longer acceptable to a lot of places. The shift towards a BSN or Masters is preferred, and often, applicants are not even looked at unless they are enrolled in a BSN or Master's program. That narrows the field down even more.

Add to all that the stress of having to pay back loans. Most government student loans have a 6 month period after you graduate where you don't have to start making payments. But at the 6 month time, you do. Income needs to be in place to actually start paying those loans back, right? But if one can't find work, one can't start paying back the loans...and so on.

She may not have appeared stressed, but I can personally assure you she was...and likely highly so. Including stress, she was probably discouraged. Add to that family fights (mild or not), and things can go 'snap' in someone's world...I'm struggling to keep my head, and I'm not even in her shoes yet.

While some/all of this information may not pertain to her being missing, I think that a better understanding of the stress and enormous pressure that a student nurse and/or a new grad is under may help understand why she was upset about handing out flyers for her sister, arguing, and perhaps just needing some downtime at B/N or the gym. It may also contribute to her not being as aware of her surroundings as she normally would be, or doing things that are not in her normal pattern of behavior.

And I also think that the call to her former boss was likely to find out if there was any work available; if she was facing student loan repayment in the near future, that would be a good reason to call him...or to get a letter of recommendation from him so that she can have a more full resume and be able to show that she is a good employee, instead of just a student nurse/new grad looking for a job in a market which is tight, tight, tight.

And please also don't forget that California's budget is non-existant, and there are cutbacks happening right and left. That will also affect the training programs that a new grad can access...

And at the bottom of it all, I am hoping and praying for the best for her.

Best-
Herding Cats

Blondie in Spokane · #**254** 04-30-2010, 09:38 AM

BBM=Bolded By Me

nursebeeme · #**255** 04-30-2010, 11:11 AM

She had just submitted an application to NorthBay Medical Center and had asked Tracy Fields for a recommendation. Fields was Le's former instructor at Solano Community College.

"Nurses are all having trouble finding jobs, so they're discouraged," Fields said, though nothing of Le's behavior indicated she was depressed or unhappy.

Indeed, though she studied hard to pass the NCLEX, Le remained relaxed, her brother said.

Le is a native of Vietnam and immigrated to the United States about 14 years ago.

http://www.thereporter.com/news/ci_14990096

northbay medical center:
http://northbay.org/NorthBayMapDirections.aspx

eyes4crime · #**256** 04-30-2010, 11:20 AM

Helps to organize my thinking - Phuong Le's short time-line so far - any additions, corrections please leave a comment.

12:00 - 3:00pm (Sunday) - Phuong Le passes out fliers for sister's hair salon; small tiff with sister regarding such.

4:00pm (Sunday) - Phuong Le left residence at Suison; did not tell family her destination.

6:00pm (Sunday) - Last call on cell phone to Tchu N****, friend and former boss (Postal Express, Suisan City) who claims Phuong Le was distraught about financial situation and/or job hunt and/or passing out fliers.

8:30pm (Sunday) - Witness sees Phuong Le inside B&N in coffee shop reading book; claims Phoung not stressed. Phoung not seen on surveillance.

3:00am (Monday) - Brother searches for sister at 24h gym & B&N parking lot.
Found car (white Civic Honda) in B&N parking lot, back windows partially down, pack, cell phone, driver's license, and wallet in trunk. No keys.

3:30am (Monday) - Police contacted

LE looked at car in parking lot. Called away for another problem

Friday, April 30th - Phuong Le's 25th birthday!

danisisa · #**257** 04-30-2010, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyes4crime

6:00pm (Sunday) - Last phone call on cell phone was to Tchu N****, friend and former boss (Postal Express, suisan City) who claims Phoung was distraught about financial situation.

So, can't they check her pings on her phone to determine her location between 4pm and 8pm???

Also, check her calls with the cell phone companies. She could of deleted any of her calls.

kissdegirl · #**258** 04-30-2010, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herding Cats

Just wanted to add my comments regarding student nursing, the stress, and the job shortage...

The stress of nursing school is enormous. It is unrelenting, constant, and you're always operating in high gear. There is no 'down time'. One school in my area had two suicides this year...and we lost a classmate to an auto accident due to lack of sleep. Then the boards come. You spend all your waking hours studying, and your dreamtime is filled with anxiety dreams. There are few people in my class who are not taking medications to help with anxiety, depression, or sleep disturbances. It is an utterly overwhelming and insanely stressful time in the life of a nurse.

The fact that very few new grads are getting jobs also is a significant worry. Students graduate with great grades, but as was stated upthread, there are few jobs for a new grad. One year experience is what I see on all the openings in my area, and we can't find jobs to get that experience. Personally, I want to go into a relatively tough area, so there are programs for me to go to...but most folks don't get hired right away.

Additionally, the ADN program degree - which is what most places offer - is no longer acceptable to a lot of places. The shift towards a BSN or Masters is preferred, and often, applicants are not even looked at unless they are enrolled in a BSN or Master's program. That narrows the field down even more.

Add to all that the stress of having to pay back loans. Most government student loans have a 6 month period after you graduate where you don't have to start making payments. But at the 6 month time, you do. Income needs to be in place to actually start paying those loans back, right? But if one can't find work, one can't start paying back the loans...and so on.

She may not have appeared stressed, but I can personally assure you she was...and likely highly so. Including stress, she was probably discouraged. Add to that family fights (mild or not), and things can go 'snap' in someone's world...I'm struggling to keep my head, and I'm not even in her shoes yet.

While some/all of this information may not pertain to her being missing, I think that a better understanding of the stress and enormous pressure that a student nurse and/or a new grad is under may help understand why she was upset about handing out flyers for her sister, arguing, and perhaps just needing some downtime at B/N or the gym. It may also contribute to her not being as aware of her surroundings as she normally would be, or doing things that are not in her normal pattern of behavior.

And I also think that the call to her former boss was likely to find out if there was any work available; if she was facing student loan repayment in the near future, that would be a good reason to call him...or to get a letter of recommendation from him so that she can have a more full resume and be able to show that she is a good employee, instead of just a student nurse/new grad looking for a job in a market which is tight, tight, tight.

And please also don't forget that California's budget is non-existant, and there are cutbacks happening right and left. That will also affect the training programs that a new grad can access...

And at the bottom of it all, I am hoping and praying for the best for her.

Best-
Herding Cats

The stress is very high! We also had a suicide in my nursing school class.

I can only speak for myself, but when I was looking for a job as I neared graduation, I reviewed interviewing resources, and worked on my resume. I wanted a job that required ACLS certification, and if I hadn't been offered an internship in a program for a hospital that sent me to ACLS classes, I would have studied it myself and "attempted" (lol) to pass the ACLS on my own. Maybe she didn't want just any job in nursing? Maybe, like myself, she wanted into a specialized area and needed certification before they would even look at her? IMO, she could have been at B&N, doing any number of things that looked like studying to someone who was used to seeing her study there.

I think they need to look at that witness again, no doubt!

BeanE · #**259** 04-30-2010, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kissdegirl

The stress is very high! We also had a suicide in my nursing school class.

I can only speak for myself, but when I was looking for a job as I neared graduation, I reviewed interviewing resources, and worked on my resume. I wanted a job that required ACLS certification, and if I hadn't been offered an internship in a program for a hospital that sent me to ACLS classes, I would have studied it myself and "attempted" (lol) to pass the ACLS on my own. Maybe she didn't want just any job in nursing? Maybe, like myself, she wanted into a specialized area and needed certification before they would even look at her? IMO, she could have been at B&N, doing any number of things that looked like studying to someone who was used to seeing her study there.

I think they need to look at that witness again, no doubt!

BBM this was my mistake. I am unable to find anything saying the witness said she looked like she was studying. All references I have found since I posted that say that the witness said she looked like she was reading a book, not studying.

Please accept my apologies.

kissdegirl · #**260** 04-30-2010, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darlin gal

Location of B and N compared to the targeted women on Monday. All within a few blocks radius.

I have been given permission to post the map I made of some sex offenders in the area. No names, just a map. I imagine that the FBI is looking into that possibility among others.

Map link

Here, you can also enter an address, and it will give another variation of the map I posted for an area.
http://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp

BeanE · #**261** 04-30-2010, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyes4crime

6:00pm (Sunday) - Last call on cell phone to Tchu N****, friend and former boss (Postal Express, suisan City) who claims Phoung was distraught about financial situation.

I just searched articles for what the boss said was on Phuong's mind. In his video interview, he says it was giving out the flyers. Phuong's brother said the family friend/ex-boss said Phuong was upset about the flyers and 'a lot of things'. One reporter said upset about the flyers. And then one other reporter said distraught about her financial situation and not being able to find a job.

So it looks to me like the ex-boss was emphasizing the flyer fight rather than her financial/job situation.

Let me know if you want the links. I saved bookmarks in case anyone wanted them.

danisisa · #**262** 04-30-2010, 01:10 PM

Anyone know if there are car rental companies in the area??? IONO, I just feel like she went away for a new life...Did any of her nursing friends get jobs out of state??? I feel she keeps alot from her family due to the controlling. I bet her cell phone was on a family plan.

Whoever she may be staying with most likely does not know she is considered missing.

Chili Fries · #**263** 04-30-2010, 01:56 PM

Really hard for me to get a hunch about what happened here. It does kind of remind me of Donna O'Rielly. She was seen on surveillance video from inside the mall where she worked walking with her keys in her hand to her car in the parking lot. But she never made it too her car (unlike Phuong). It was a very baffling case but thankfully (even though it must have been a terrible ordeal for her) a little less than a month later she escaped from the house of man who had been keeping her captive, jumped into a courier van and was taken to safety.

Here is her thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97742

kissdegirl · #**264** 04-30-2010, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danisisa

Anyone know if there are car rental companies in the area??? IONO, I just feel like she went away for a new life...Did any of her nursing friends get jobs out of state??? I feel she keeps alot from her family due to the controlling. I bet her cell phone was on a family plan.

Whoever she may be staying with most likely does not know she is considered missing.

Maybe so, but why leave everything behind except your keys?

danisisa · #**265** 04-30-2010, 02:02 PM

I am going to throw this out there, but the missing keys could be habit and she chucked them later or she did not want the car to get stolen, or the keys were left. Someone could of walked by, grabbed them, and waited to steal the car later.

darlin gal · #**266** 04-30-2010, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danisisa

I am going to throw this out there, but the missing keys could be habit and she chucked them later or she did not want the car to get stolen, or the keys were left. Someone could of walked by, grabbed them, and waited to steal the car later.

This young lady had never spent the night away from home, was always home by midnight. Had just graduated from nursing school and passed her boards.

Sorry, I don't see her walking away and leaving all her ID, her money and everything behind but taking the keys.

jmo

danisisa · #**267** 04-30-2010, 03:27 PM

Was her ID in her wallet...I have not seen that specified.

darlin gal · #**268** 04-30-2010, 03:57 PM

Yes, her drivers license was in her wallet and her social security card the LE took from her room at her parent's house.

Quote:

Rosie, do I still have Mr. Le with me? Mr. Le with us, the brother of missing Phuong Le. What did she leave at home? Did she leave anything, like a wallet, her driver`s license, anything at home, or was it all in the car?

LE: Everything was in the car except for her Social Security card and passport. Those were at home.

GRACE: OK, what exactly was left in the car?

LE: Her credit cards, her driver`s license, her books.

GRACE: What about her cell phone?

LE: Even her cell phone was also, yes.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/29/ng.01.html

BeanE · #**269** 04-30-2010, 03:58 PM

Vigil Candles Instead of Birthday Candles for Missing California Nurse
Phuong Le has been missing since Sunday, a vigil is being held for her tonight, it is also her 25th birthday.

April 30, 2010

"We're really sure somebody kidnapped her," Le's brother, Dinh told ABC News today.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/search-...ry?id=10520280

danisisa · #**270** 04-30-2010, 04:00 PM

darlin gal

Thanks for the info...I guess the answer to some questions will be found with traffic cams or a witness.

BeanE · #**271** 04-30-2010, 04:08 PM

Nancy Grace transcript April 29 w/Phuong's story

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/29/ng.01.html

ETA: Oh gosh, darlin gal. I didn't see your post. I owe you a Coke!

BeanE · #**272** 04-30-2010, 04:11 PM

Happy Birthday, Phuong Le. I hope wherever you are on your birthday today, you are free from fear and pain.

Calliope · #**273** 04-30-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danisisa

Anyone know if there are car rental companies in the area??? IONO, I just feel like she went away for a new life...Did any of her nursing friends get jobs out of state??? I feel she keeps alot from her family due to the controlling. I bet her cell phone was on a family plan.

Whoever she may be staying with most likely does not know she is considered missing.

She just spent at least 2 years in nursing school (some take non-nursing prereqs separately and stretch it to 3 years) and passed her boards (which requires fingerprint ID); she left all personal ID and SS card behind. IF she went away for a new life, she's thrown that all away and could never practice anywhere else... and would put her current license at risk.

It's possible, but IMO I doubt she'd do that. If she did leave on her own, my fear would be she's planning on harming herself, not looking to start another life somewhere else

danisisa · #**274** 04-30-2010, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calliope

If she did leave on her own, my fear would be she's planning on harming herself, not looking to start another life somewhere else

I have had that fear myself, but was reluctant to say so...Thanks for have the courage to say it

eyes4crime · #**275** 04-30-2010, 06:14 PM

I vision the tiff with sister to be something minor:

Okay, I've passed out fliers for your beauty shop for 3 hours, maybe now, you can help me find a job! A tiff between sistrs and I feel nothing major at all. moo

We know that Phuong is determined, intelligent, and will do what she needs to get things done. Getting self through nursing school is no minor task, neither is passing boards; Phuong doesn't give up easily! moo My guess is that she was very proud of herself for taking such a difficult road and making it. Can you be that depressed as to runaway and still pass boards?

IMO there is no way she ran away - she is sheltered, vulnerable, and easy going and NOT very street wise.moo LE need to look at all the receipts at B&N that evening and videos at the gym.

I imagine her family is in pain not having their beloved daughter, sister, at home on her birthday. I feel so sorry for the family!