MI MI - Venus Rose Stewart, 32, Colon, Abducted 28 April 2010 - #4 - Page 5

pufnstuf · #**101** 05-14-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

He may not have had the truck for some time. Again, you are assuming HE had the truck. That is alleged, but AFAIK has not been proven.

Hmm. If he had not had the truck for some time, then why was the search warrant on the truck served on him?

spamelope · #**102** 05-14-2010, 09:58 PM

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RubyRed · #**103** 05-14-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pufnstuf

I have been talking to Denny Olson via email for the past several days. Do you guys want me to invite him to WS?

If we are allowed to , I say yes.

pufnstuf · #**104** 05-14-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spamelope

We know it wasn't Doug. His alibi is "solid" and "true".

Lt. Risko said that the focus of the investigation is to find Venus, and that they're not as concerned with where Doug is right now. As the search began, two weeks ago, the focus was on finding Venus more than on validating Doug's alibi. Initially, the lieutenant said that Doug's alibi checks out... "for now." But most recently, especially after investigators found the receipt and blood smear, Risko said that Doug's alibi was being reevaluated, and that this time they would leave no stone unturned.

Hardly sounds like "solid" or "true" to me.

daisy7 · #**105** 05-14-2010, 10:02 PM

What was the date of the search warrant for the truck? TIA!

spamelope · #**106** 05-14-2010, 10:02 PM

I love lamp

RubyRed · #**107** 05-14-2010, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

Maybe, but it might not be someone they are expecting and so might not recognize what they see.

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Originally Posted by spamelope

If LE watches NG, I bet they make the connection really quickly.

Okay, I am exhausted, so maybe I'm not getting this. Who would this person be?

spamelope · #**108** 05-14-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pufnstuf

Lt. Risko said that the focus of the investigation is to find Venus, and that they're not as concerned with where Doug is right now. As the search began, two weeks ago, the focus was on finding Venus more than on validating Doug's alibi. Initially, the lieutenant said that Doug's alibi checks out... "for now." But most recently, especially after investigators found the receipt and blood smear, Risko said that Doug's alibi was being reevaluated, and that this time they would leave no stone unturned.

Hardly sounds like "solid" or "true" to me.

His alibi is either good forever or not. Just because they find more incriminating evidence pointing to him doesn't negate that they said he was in VA. And that it checked out. An alibi is an alibi and they don't waver.

BeanE · #**109** 05-14-2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spamelope

We know it wasn't Doug. His alibi is "solid" and "true". They are not taking his friends words for this, folks. This isn't a jaywalking case. He is smart enough to have an iron clad alibi, but stupid enough to let his hit man try to frame him. Because that's one incompetent hit man who leaves all the evidence pointing towards the person who hired him. Doug is disciplined enough to be a decorated Marine, but careless enough to leave the receipt for the items from the "4 Essential Things You Need To Commit Murder With Now Available at Wal-Mart!" handbook. BTW, they forgot the "Shaggy Haired Guy Wig" by Eva Gabor.
Who else could have access to things like the keys to the truck and the credit card? Who indeed.
If Venus met with a horrible fate, we need to look at who has deflected suspicion the most away from himself. Motive? This could kill two birds with one stone. There was a will, and since VS had no real property, was the will to name life insurance beneficiaries and guardians? There's financial. And to have the man that made allegations against you in the hot seat for murder 1 would be gravy. There's revenge.
"I wuz sleeping"-it's the new " I wuz at werk"!

That sure sounds to me like you're referring to Venus' father. Who did you have in mind?

mommame · #**110** 05-14-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

What makes you think someone stole the truck?

I don't think that at all! I was referring to something you were saying about him not having the truck. You keep implying that someone else had the truck..so that leaves two choices, either he loaned it or it was stolen.

BeanE · #**111** 05-14-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spamelope

The truck is not Doug's so I doubt he could even report it stolen even if he knew for a fact it was gone.

I guess I'm not as up on this case as I thought I was. Help me out here, if you would be so kind.

I could swear I've been reading in news articles and LE documents that the truck is Doug's. "estranged husband's truck". Maybe I'm thinking of another case. I'm following several.

Whose truck is it? Or does Venus have another estranged husband? Or?

BeanE · #**112** 05-14-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spamelope

From LE themselves.
"His alibi is solid." "His alibi is true". If Doug was in VA like they all agree, it wasn't him in the truck.

LE said that? " If Doug was in VA like they all agree, it wasn't him in the truck."?

crystalgenie · #**113** 05-14-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pufnstuf

Lt. Risko said that the focus of the investigation is to find Venus, and that they're not as concerned with where Doug is right now. As the search began, two weeks ago, the focus was on finding Venus more than on validating Doug's alibi. Initially, the lieutenant said that Doug's alibi checks out... "for now." But most recently, especially after investigators found the receipt and blood smear, Risko said that Doug's alibi was being reevaluated, and that this time they would leave no stone unturned.

Hardly sounds like "solid" or "true" to me.

This is an example of why this is so confusing. DS's alibi checked out in the beginning at least "for now". I would have been checking his alibi to make sure one way or another in the beginning. We are talking about two police depts not one in two different states. I'm quite sure since the parents interview on NG that they told the police immediately about all the problems so why not work on checking that alibi then... since the Virginia LE would probably be the ones doing the checking.

Natal · #**114** 05-14-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pufnstuf

Hmm. If he had not had the truck for some time, then why was the search warrant on the truck served on him?

I doubt that was served on him. It was issued for the vehicle, which was parked in a public space when found. I expect that LE towed it when they found it, and executed the search at a later point once the warrant was issued (actually it was executed about 5 days after it was issued).

spamelope · #**115** 05-14-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BeanE

I guess I'm not as up on this case as I thought I was. Help me out here, if you would be so kind.

I could swear I've been reading in news articles and LE documents that the truck is Doug's. "estranged husband's truck". Maybe I'm thinking of another case. I'm following several.

Whose truck is it? Or does Venus have another estranged husband? Or?

It was reported that the truck is Venus's and the Sable is Dougs. Sorry I can't find the link right now, can anyone help me out? TIA

BeanE · #**116** 05-14-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

The only reason we have to believe he had the truck AFAIK is because the parents said so. In trial that would not be enough, there would have to be independent corroboration. Otherwise the defence would suggest the obvious. Do we have that independent corroboration?

In order to charge him you would need to place him at the scene. Placing the truck at the scene doesn't help if you can't place him with the truck.

Since you and I will not be arguing this case, let's leave the trial out of this and just talk you 'n' me, in practical terms.

Let's skip all the Doug didn't have the truck, and look at it from the other direction. Who had the truck?

BeanE · #**117** 05-14-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pufnstuf

Hmm. If he had not had the truck for some time, then why was the search warrant on the truck served on him?

See, I thought I read that too, puf.

RubyRed · #**118** 05-14-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spamelope

It was reported that the truck is Venus's and the Sable is Dougs. Sorry I can't find the link right now, can anyone help me out? TIA

I'll see if I can find the link, but I do remember it was in her name.

BeanE · #**119** 05-14-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spamelope

His alibi is either good forever or not. Just because they find more incriminating evidence pointing to him doesn't negate that they said he was in VA. And that it checked out. An alibi is an alibi and they don't waver.

LE said DS was in Virginia?

BeanE · #**120** 05-14-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mommame

I don't think that at all! I was referring to something you were saying about him not having the truck. You keep implying that someone else had the truck..so that leaves two choices, either he loaned it or it was stolen.

Or he sold it. Or aliens took it.

Natal · #**121** 05-14-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BeanE

I guess I'm not as up on this case as I thought I was. Help me out here, if you would be so kind.

I could swear I've been reading in news articles and LE documents that the truck is Doug's. "estranged husband's truck". Maybe I'm thinking of another case. I'm following several.

Whose truck is it? Or does Venus have another estranged husband? Or?

Some of the reports have said it was Doug's truck, other said it was Venus's. Hence the question. But it must be registered to someone, so that should be verifiable. Even so, if it was matrimonal property its anyones guess who actually had it.

I think it is important to determine that from a source not directly involved with the case. If they don't, depending on how the whole alibi thing works out, you can see that becoming a contentious issue if this thing goes to trial.

RubyRed · #**122** 05-14-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

He may not have had the truck for some time. Again, you are assuming HE had the truck. That is alleged, but AFAIK has not been proven.

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Originally Posted by pufnstuf

Hmm. If he had not had the truck for some time, then why was the search warrant on the truck served on him?

She left the truck in Virginia, he had access to drive it. What am I missing?

I have followed this case since the first day it was in the news, started the thread on it. Now suddenly I feel like I do not know the first thing that is going on with it

pufnstuf · #**123** 05-14-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spamelope

His alibi is either good forever or not. Just because they find more incriminating evidence pointing to him doesn't negate that they said he was in VA. And that it checked out. An alibi is an alibi and they don't waver.

Are you serious? You've never heard of cases in which alibis were later proven false? Or cases where the person providing the alibi admitted that he or she lied?

From May 7 article:

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Risko said Venus Stewart’s estranged husband Douglas H. Stewart, of Newport News, VA, remains the sole “person of interest in the case.”

According to Risko, Douglas Stewart’s alibi that he was in Virginia at the time of the abduction “checks out so far.”

Risko said Douglas Stewart has retained an attorney and is “not cooperating” with investigators at this time.

The Newport News Police Department on Wednesday seized a Mercury sedan and a Dodge Ram owned by Douglas Stewart based on a Michigan search warrant. Risko said Michigan State Police lab technicians flew to Virginia and were checking the vehicles for evidence.

And on May 11:

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Police initially said that Douglas Stewart's alibi checked out, but now that's being looked at again. “We are not leaving any stone unturned,” said Lt. Mike Risko, Michigan State Police.

Cases where alibis changed or crumbled:

James Earl Ray
Charles Russell Sterling Jr.
Roman Polanski
Edward Ates
OJ Simpson
Jordan Merrill
Cullen Davis...

Shall I go on?

BeanE · #**124** 05-14-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Natal

Some of the reports have said it was Doug's truck, other said it was Venus's. Hence the question. But it must be registered to someone, so that should be verifiable. Even so, if it was matrimonal property its anyones guess who actually had it.

I think it is important to determine that from a source not directly involved with the case. If they don't, depending on how the whole alibi thing works out, you can see that becoming a contentious issue if this thing goes to trial.

Okay so we don't know whose name the truck is in right now. It's a toss up. Let's toss it up.

Venus was living with Doug in Virginia. Venus left Doug and went to Michigan. What happened to the truck? We have Venus' parents telling us that the truck didn't come to Michigan with Venus. We have no reason to doubt them. LE sure hasn't named *them* POIs. So a logical and reasonable conclusion (and let's please be logical and reasonable - it's late and I'm tired) is that the truck stayed in Virginia with Doug.

How could the truck logically and reasonably leave Doug's loving care at that point? Well, it could be stolen, sold, or loaned to someone. Was it? Logically and reasonably, no, because we have no indications whatever of any of those things happening.

thinkaboutthis · #**125** 05-14-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pufnstuf

Are you serious? You've never heard of cases in which alibis were later proven false? Or cases where the person providing the alibi admitted that he or she lied?

From May 7 article:

And on May 11:

Cases where alibis changed or crumbled:

James Earl Ray
Charles Russell Sterling Jr.
Roman Polanski
Edward Ates
OJ Simpson
Jordan Merrill
Cullen Davis...

Shall I go on?

I'm sure there are thousands of cases that can be cited where the original POI, suspect, or even the person convicted was not the person who was ultimately guilty of the crime as well.