UT - Ethan Stacy, 4, Layton, 10 May 2010 - #4 - Page 17

kbl8201 · #**401** 05-16-2010, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gngr~snap

yup! I got my hail mary's all outta the duck row!

lol good one

gngr~snap · #**402** 05-16-2010, 03:01 AM

I don't thinkshe saw it coming either! Honestly I think when finally realized it she was under the train! and it was far too late. She was too wrapped up in her romantic fantasy to see that she had already sold her soul to the devil (so to speak) and there was no turning back. Too bad for her. If she had been the mother her child deserved she waoulod ahce waited on a new romance until AFTER Etan was 18. This was HER time to be a mom! not a love sick teenager!

Cubby · #**403** 05-16-2010, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CHICANA

You know how I feel about the system, but as far as I know she didn't have a criminal record and there were no allegations of violence or abuse against her.
There needs to be evidence presented in order for a judge to order a thorough check in a custody case.
My understanding is that Dad didn't contest the visitation on the most recent filing.
As far as I know, this isn't a case where there were allegations of abuse. Maybe dad didn't have a lawyer ? Honestly, I don't think the case was presented well in court and a judge rules on the evidence he/she has.
I'm not trying to place blame on anyone, family court attorneys are very expensive and many parents don't know what they're getting into. You have to file the right motions/ petitions and ask for what you want along with evidence/documentation as to why and on what legal basis you should get it.
While she might have been a crappy parent, I don't think anybody saw this coming.

BBM. I have to disagree on this statement.- at least where it related outside of family court. Stephanie saw this coming. I don't know if you saw theknot wedding site with comments about the love both of these nauseating POS's wrote about each other. Stephanie commented several times about not 'provoking' his bad boy side. Her use of the word 'provoke' numerous times indicated to me she knew NOT to provoke him and what provoking him might entail.

Yet, she still decided to bring her child into this horrendous environment. A child who clearly provoked Nathan by normal childhood behavior.

If I say more I will need to time myself out, so I'll leave it at that.

gngr~snap · #**404** 05-16-2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubby

BBM. I have to disagree on this statement.- at least where it related outside of family court. Stephanie saw this coming. I don't know if you saw theknot wedding site with comments about the love both of these nauseating POS's wrote about each other. Stephanie commented several times about not 'provoking' his bad boy side. Her use of the word 'provoke' numerous times indicated to me she knew NOT to provoke him and what provoking him might entail.

Yet, she still decided to bring her child into this horrendous environment. A child who clearly provoked Nathan by normal childhood behavior.

If I say more I will need to time myself out, so I'll leave it at that.

I think She knew better... but I'm not sure she realized her child would invoke the evil man that she knew exsisted... MOO... she prob thought NS would be enamored by Ethan just because he was her child... WRONG ANSWER!

kbl8201 · #**405** 05-16-2010, 03:08 AM

i think neglect and abandonment should be looked upon as abuse allegations.

i just cant believe she fights to get visitation then lets her boyfriend/fiance/husband murder him and then abuse his corpse.

CHICANA · #**406** 05-16-2010, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubby

BBM. I have to disagree on this statement.- at least where it related outside of family court. Stephanie saw this coming. I don't know if you saw theknot wedding site with comments about the love both of these nauseating POS's wrote about each other. Stephanie commented several times about not 'provoking' his bad boy side. Her use of the word 'provoke' numerous times indicated to me she knew NOT to provoke him and what provoking him might entail.

Yet, she still decided to bring her child into this horrendous environment. A child who clearly provoked Nathan by normal childhood behavior.

If I say more I will need to time myself out, so I'll leave it at that.

I should have been more specific. I don't think the dad or family court judge could have seen this coming. SS absolutely knew what NS was capable of.
I don't think Dad thought SS could be capable of something like this.

CHICANA · #**407** 05-16-2010, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kbl8201

i think neglect and abandonment should be looked upon as abuse allegations.

i just cant believe she fights to get visitation then lets her boyfriend/fiance/husband murder him and then abuse his corpse.

You're right, but there was no hotline call or investigation. All I've seen so far were a couple of vague accusations by Dad that she'd abandoned him and was unstable. Anybody can say this. I reserve the right to change my mind should other records come out showing the dad did describe the abandonment and instability.

revampz · #**408** 05-16-2010, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by gngr~snap

I don't thinkshe saw it coming either! Honestly I think when finally realized it she was under the train! and it was far too late. She was too wrapped up in her romantic fantasy to see that she had already sold her soul to the devil (so to speak) and there was no turning back. Too bad for her. If she had been the mother her child deserved she waoulod ahce waited on a new romance until AFTER Etan was 18. This was HER time to be a mom! not a love sick teenager!

Yep I agree....I dont think this was planned...

Just a bad case of two very selfish people who got together ........Like I said before.....Ethan would have probably annoyed him and invaded their love nest and I just dont think she had enough of the motherly instinct needed......ended up in disaster....

Even though she abandoned Ethan approx 8 months ago she still was his mother for 3 years.....that is a long time and there is a lot of work involved in being a mother and alot of time spent with that child, and there were no abuse issues reported.......

She did however put herself before her child.....alot of find that very hard to understand but the more I am reading stories on here and in magazines and meeting people etcetc......the more I am beleive that it is a big disease in modern society.......I personally beleive she herself was one of the "hard" children I have talked about.........i bet you'll find her mum probably jumped from man to man and she was dragged along as well....

Him I think was a mummys boy

SusanB · #**409** 05-16-2010, 04:33 AM

"Just a bad case of two very selfish people who got together ........Like I said before.....Ethan would have probably annoyed him and invaded their love nest and I just dont think she had enough of the motherly instinct needed......ended up in disaster...." ReV, I totally agree with this.
I also think drugs are involved in this relationship. I think they were getting high (probably on meth) during that week. They did not seem to have any plans for the child's visit, nor does it seem like they are gainfully employed. So how did they support themselves? Folks on drugs do not exactly show maternal instincts and make parenting a priority.
Drugs of that type tend to make a person violent and paranoid, not go much out of the house, and a child would be VERY irritating.
I do not think this was planned, but once little Ethan was badly beaten, there was no turning back.
He probably expired sometime on Sat evening. The two sat there, may have been getting high (thus being up all night, going to the "store" at 5 AM, then having to go to sleep, etc).
I may be wrong here, but dude does have a drug history. People who are using have truly bizarre and deadly behavior.
I am glad precious Ethan is now happily playing in heaven.

smart blonde · #**410** 05-16-2010, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SusanB

"Just a bad case of two very selfish people who got together ........Like I said before.....Ethan would have probably annoyed him and invaded their love nest and I just dont think she had enough of the motherly instinct needed......ended up in disaster...." ReV, I totally agree with this.
I also think drugs are involved in this relationship. I think they were getting high (probably on meth) during that week. They did not seem to have any plans for the child's visit, nor does it seem like they are gainfully employed. So how did they support themselves? Folks on drugs do not exactly show maternal instincts and make parenting a priority.
Drugs of that type tend to make a person violent and paranoid, not go much out of the house, and a child would be VERY irritating.
I do not think this was planned, but once little Ethan was badly beaten, there was no turning back.
He probably expired sometime on Sat evening. The two sat there, may have been getting high (thus being up all night, going to the "store" at 5 AM, then having to go to sleep, etc).
I may be wrong here, but dude does have a drug history. People who are using have truly bizarre and deadly behavior.
I am glad precious Ethan is now happily playing in heaven.

I agree 100%...... I absolutely agree that both were probably spun hard on Meth. I have thought this from the beginning, for the very reasons you stated.
Also, look at how much skinnier SS is at her court appearance. Check out her jawline.

I hope these two were drug tested at time of arrest, but I doubt they were- that seldom happens, but it should.

If they were smoking it, little Ethan may have breathed in/ absorbed some of the Meth, and it will hopefully show up at autopsy.

BeanE · #**411** 05-16-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubby

BBM. I have to disagree on this statement.- at least where it related outside of family court. Stephanie saw this coming. I don't know if you saw theknot wedding site with comments about the love both of these nauseating POS's wrote about each other. Stephanie commented several times about not 'provoking' his bad boy side. Her use of the word 'provoke' numerous times indicated to me she knew NOT to provoke him and what provoking him might entail.

Yet, she still decided to bring her child into this horrendous environment. A child who clearly provoked Nathan by normal childhood behavior.

If I say more I will need to time myself out, so I'll leave it at that.

I completely agree, Cubby, not only because her references to provoking his bad boy show she knew the man she was dealing with, but because she also knows herself, and what the perfect storm of combining her, him, and a 4 year old in a home for 10 days was likely to result in.

She may not have consciously thought it would end in Ethan's death, but she knew there was a chance it would result in abuse of Ethan. Responsible adults don't take chances like that with children, because they know children are defenseless, they are human beings with a right to freedom from harm, and that they have a moral obligation to protect children. Because children are the defenseless ones, responsible adults put their safety and well-being first.

BeanE · #**412** 05-16-2010, 08:15 AM

Community gathers to mourn Ethan Stacy
May 15th, 2010 @ 10:15pm

Saturday evening, strangers came together to remember the little boy whose life was so cruelly stolen from him.

It was a very emotional night as parents, children, neighbors and other members of the community gathered at a vigil in honor of Ethan at the Layton Meadows apartment complex at 540 W. 1425 North where he spent his final days. Many of those in attendance said they still can't quite wrap their heads around what happened.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=10791003

BeanE · #**413** 05-16-2010, 08:16 AM

Candle light vigil for Ethan Stacy
Last Update: 5/15 11:35 pm

A crowd of people mourned the death of a 4-year-old boy. It gathered at a candle light vigil outside the Layton Meadows apartment complex at 586 West 1325 North in Layton. Ethan Stacy briefly called it home before he died.

http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/stor...JLLR8KdDA.cspx

BeanE · #**414** 05-16-2010, 08:18 AM

Large crowd pay respects at Layton candlelight vigil
Maile Tua'oneFOX 13
10:34 PM MDT, May 15, 2010

Hundreds of people from across northern Utah were in Layton to pay their respects and vent their sorrow and confusion about four-year-old Ethan Stacy's murder.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-la...,6848420.story

BeanE · #**415** 05-16-2010, 08:19 AM

Thousands mourn Ethan Stacy's death
Updated: 05/15/2010 11:03:00 PM MDT

Several days after Ethan's death, strangers continue to pay their respects at a memorial a few feet from the apartment where he died.

They have left candles, flowers and handwritten letters along with dozens of stuffed animals and balloons. An elementary school group signed two large posters and pasted them next to pictures of the blond, bespectacled little boy.

There are kites and water guns with the image of his favorite superhero, Spider-Man, and notes to Ethan's father, Joe Stacy, who lives in Virginia.

Hundreds gathered at the site Saturday night for a candlelight memorial.

Many mourners said they have never been so affected by a news story.

http://www.sltrib.com/D=g/ci_15094513

BeanE · #**416** 05-16-2010, 08:21 AM

All news stories about Ethan Stacy, reverse date order, newest articles first:

http://interceder.net/news/ethan-stacy

Sly Scorpio · #**417** 05-16-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gngr~snap

I don't thinkshe saw it coming either! Honestly I think when finally realized it she was under the train! and it was far too late. She was too wrapped up in her romantic fantasy to see that she had already sold her soul to the devil (so to speak) and there was no turning back. Too bad for her. If she had been the mother her child deserved she waoulod ahce waited on a new romance until AFTER Etan was 18. This was HER time to be a mom! not a love sick teenager!

BBM

ITA with everything except what I bolded. There are ways to be in a relationship when you are a single parent and still protect your child (IE not leaving them alone with your child until several YEARS of being with the person). Some moms just decide to become lovesick and ignore responsibility. MOO

I know, because I had a 1 year old when I met my now DF and she is 4 now-- I just started to leave her alone with him for short periods of time. Nothing against him and I do completely trust him... Just precautionary for my own peace of mind.

noexplanation · #**418** 05-16-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gngr~snap

on NS probable cause affidavit in paragraph 4 on pg 3 it states... "In a photo with a time date stamp of May 4, 2010, Ethan has a large, and very noticiable area of swelling to the jaw and face."

Did anyone pay attention to what gngr snap said? No one responded to this post and I think it's important. So in NS's affidavit the date of the bruised jaw was MAY 4. NS's mom was there MAY 5. Not sure how she possibly missed seeing Ethan like this. She could have stopped this but didn't.

mysticrose · #**419** 05-16-2010, 09:33 AM

SS did not love Ethan she used him as a tool to get back at her ex and hurt him while making sure she had financial gain to boot.

She would fight for custody unless he gave her half of his settlement ? And I believe she was recieving child support even though dad had custody ?

Ethans dad loved him so much he was willing to give that up to have Ethan the majority of the time and to protect him from her. .... She reminds me of my ex and that is just what he did, used my son to hurt me, he did not care one eye-oda about my son just wanted to make my life extremly miserable and emotionally abuse my son to boot....

There are some people out there that are horrible horrible people, they want nothing better to do but hurt others ... I call them vampires, they just suck your soul right out you and when there done they move on to their next victim.
This of course is moo......

If SS cared for Ethan she would have told NS mom, took him to seek medical care something ... I cant remember which case it was just recently where a mother threw herself on top of her child so the BF would stop beating him, everytime he pulled her off she would manage to cover him again all the while being beat herself and being on drugs. Unfortunatley the boy died she was found knocked out I believe next to him but she TRIED to save him even on drugs !

I know that Ethan is in a beautiful place right now looking down trying to help his dad cope among others but I know he would have been a much happier boy to be here on earth with his father .....

Calliope · #**420** 05-16-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cubby

Hi Calliope, I know we are all heated and emotional over this tragedy which occured to Ethan, but I would like to point someting out to not only you, but the group in general. (so everyone knows who I am speaking to.)

Right now NS's mothers is NOT a poi, nor is she a suspect. I think we need to keep the discussion on here comments to LE regarding seeing Ethan and everything being 'hunky dory' in check here, by that I mean, the possibilities according to the law.

NS's mom is NOT a mandatory reporter, and it is my understanding it is not against any law, at least not here in Illinois to not report a crime. I know that because I just finished my towns 12 week citizens police academy course. So it is my opinion and understanding, there would be NO crime for her not reporting abuse. We have a MORAL obligation to report crime, but there is no LEGAL obligation in some cases.

What may be a crime on her part is knowlingly giving LE false information regarding injuries she saw on Ethan to interfer with LE's investigation in the case. Time will tell if NS's mother is guilty of providing false information to LE to interfer with the investigation.

Thanks everyone!

Cubby

Hey cubby

I appreciate what you're saying. just getting back to the thread this morning. A little ways down from my post that you quote here, a link was provided to Utah law that requires anyone to report suspected child abuse, not just mandated reporters. IMO, she got carried away in the interview; she was talking about how good and kind NS and SS are, and then said she'd seen the three of them on the 5th (Wednesday) and they were happy and ok... IF she really did see him on that day, he was clearly battered. I certainly want SS and NS to be held guilty for Ethan's murder, but if she truly did see him on the 5th, she needs to be charged, and there is a specific law that applies here.

mysticrose · #**421** 05-16-2010, 09:53 AM

I wonder if NS mom did see Ethan in that condition if she was told it was from a peanut allergy like they were trying to claim ? just a thought......

I keep wondering if these dates somehow are mixed up because I certainly am confused over them .....

Calliope · #**422** 05-16-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Ailina

Great sleuthing, laytonian. I've wondered from the beginning what on earth the prescription could be. That would reveal a whole lot. Was it for an injury? Antidepressant/mood stabilizer? Infection of some kind?

If she went to the pharmacy at 5 AM to get it, it must be relevant in a big way, I'm thinking....

Totally and completely JMO...

She talks of last seeing Ethan at 0300, and that he was asleep. IMO, he was dead long before that, and that is actually the approximate time when they buried him. I think they returned home at approximately 0500, and while she may have picked up a prescription for POS, the real reason for the trip to the store at that hour of the morning was to purchase cleaning supplies in an attempt to clean the apartment of all evidence. I hope LE has receipts and video.

Calliope · #**423** 05-16-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mysticrose

I wonder if NS mom did see Ethan in that condition if she was told it was from a peanut allergy like they were trying to claim ? just a thought......

I keep wondering if these dates somehow are mixed up because I certainly am confused over them .....

Well LE states that the first photos showing clear signs of abuse were from the 4th. She claims to have seen him on the 5th. She either didn't see him at all and was just getting carried away in the interview trying to sugarcoat her POS son and DiL, or she did and needs to be charged. JMO.

Calliope · #**424** 05-16-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nursebeeme

My thoughts on the photo in the media ***JMHOO***

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1) iirc in the KSL video that first showed the picture they said it was sent to them.
-who sent it?
-it was not attributed to LE
-can we assume it was one of the battery of photos mentioned or was it a different
photo? And if so, who was it sent to/who leaked it? Who else was she sending
her pictures to?

2) In the report they said the photo was taken on 4 May, but the wording in the screen cap of the video is 5 May
-was the dating a mistake/or the reporting a mistake?
-either way, on 4 or 5 May Ethan has a HUGE contusion to his left jaw with
significant swelling and injury. This means in the least, that he was BEATEN prior
to May 4-5th AT LEAST.

3) He arrived in Utah with his 'Mother' on 28 may which was a wednesday His father, according to Media reports, called him every day.. until on "monday" (which was 3 may he last talked to him and on subsequent days was given excuses why his son could not come to the phone.
-no matter if he was abused from that very first day he left (1 may) until the day his mother started saying he was "unable to come to the phone (tuesday 4 may) obviously something horrible was going on after that last call on Monday. Whether she was just being controlling over the phone and situation or he had already been abused physically at that point we do not yet know but, according to his father, it was the last time he was able to talk to his son.
-4 may (tuesday) would fit with the day the abuse started based on the picture that was in the media and would also account for his mother saying he could not come to the phone in later on. His Father stated that he called his son every day and last talked to him on Monday, 3 may.

Sorry for the long post...

Good points. IMO by that time (the 4th), poor little Ethan could no longer speak.

Calliope · #**425** 05-16-2010, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nursebeeme

after reading Stephanie's probable case statement again:
http://www.abc4.com/media/lib/5/c/6/...ie_C_Sloop.pdf
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Sunday 9 May:
-3am she says she checks on Ethan and he is asleep
-5am she runs out to pick up a prescription
-530am she returns with nate sitting "calmly" and says the baby is dead
-she says he is cold and blue and she tries cpr (eta: and STIFF)

on looking back at her whole statement I can see why the SA says this statement should not be taken as fact and that there is another mountain of evidence

A dead body does not get cold and stiff in 2 hours.