State's Response to Order RE: Deposition Schedule

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by sunsetbeach

Not sure where to ask this question but when is this next hearing?

There is a status hearing on 06/21/2010 @1:30 PM. Unless another hearing is scheduled before then OR I missed a date!

[Cher352]

Originally Posted by Patty G

There is a status hearing on 06/21/2010 @1:30 PM. Unless another hearing is scheduled before then OR I missed a date!

You know it would be great if we had a sticky thread showing all the scheduled court dates. I know I have trouble keeping track of them too.

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by Cher352

You know it would be great if we had a sticky thread showing all the scheduled court dates. I know I have trouble keeping track of them too.

If we don't have a Court Date Thread, you can start one and then ask a mod to make it a sticky.

[beach]

Originally Posted by Cher352

You know it would be great if we had a sticky thread showing all the scheduled court dates. I know I have trouble keeping track of them too.

Per JBean's suggestion, I have posted all of them on the Caylee calendar in the Resource forum. I try to keep up with them through the Today's News thread and the Ninth Circuit website. If anyone sees a new one that I haven't added, go ahead and stick it on there, please! Or, pm me with it and I will be happy to add it.


As of now, they are all on there all the way through April 2011. So far, all are Status hearings left that have been ordered.


Here is the link to the Calendar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/cal...r=2008&do=&c=4

If you add a hearing date, just be careful what month/year you enter it in. The default is set for 2008 (when the case began). At the bottom, there is a 'Jump To' option where you need to select the month/year.

[Kathy1964]

Originally Posted by beach2yall

Per JBean's suggestion, I have posted all of them on the Caylee calendar in the Resource forum. I try to keep up with them through the Today's News thread and the Ninth Circuit website. If anyone sees a new one that I haven't added, go ahead and stick it on there, please! Or, pm me with it and I will be happy to add it.


As of now, they are all on there all the way through April 2011. So far, all are Status hearings left that have been ordered.

Where is the Resource forum?

[beach]

Originally Posted by Kathy1964

Where is the Resource forum?

Look up, one post above.

Sorry, I should have thought to do that in the first place. I edited to add the Calendar link.

HTH

[beach]

Originally Posted by Kathy1964

Where is the Resource forum?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=233

I added the calendar link to my earlier post, but this is a direct link to the Resource forum. Lots of good stuff in there!

[Reagan]

Originally Posted by The World According

Hi Muzikman,

He purposely left the depo incomplete, so he could call him back at another date. Sneaky little move, since clearly he had gotten everything he needed out of him already. I must find it for you, the epitome of him knowing what he did with the Kronk family members would never be admitted into evidence. Finally a reporter asked him a follow up question that we all are throwing things at the TV screen , yelling , ask him this, for the love of God. He had the cat that got the canary look while excited the news stations were playing these selected interview clips. Finally the host asked him, sir...ah...these could never come into the trial because the situations they are recounting are heresay and far too remote in time, right? A look of fear shot across his face for just half a second, he quickly recovered and just shrugged his shoulders, careful not to admit it audibly so as not to be quoted. It was the ok, you got me shrug. I must find that clip and put it in my signature line or post it once a month until everyone has seen it. I laughed so hard when he did that, some of my co workers down the hall came into my office with that I'll have what Julia's having look.

I wanted the look of "I'll have what Julia's having", but the link I watched in your sig was Cheny M stating that now that Caylee's body is found, it is easy to predict LWOP for Casey. That they could plea now and get it over with, or have a circus and a trial.
Funny that he jumped on the circus bandwagon. And not funny ha-ha, but funny wtf-is-the-matter-with-people.

[cecybeans]

Wow TWA - you're so on it, Bluebonnet! I think you are in the running for MVP!

That is really valuable stuff. Actually, what I meant was a post that RH made here a while back (IIRC) or something in print, in which he described a specific case he worked on in which a client had to file for indigency in the middle of things (the defendant's mother had taken out a second mortgage on the house and it ran out). He said that many attorneys refuse to take such cases because of the herculean effort it takes to document and justify the expenditures. He described how specific he had to be in verifying what had already been spent to the JAC and that if an attorney was deemed by the JAC to have misspent the original funds or the monies spent did not show prioritizing of client and case needs, that disciplinary action up to and including disbarment could occur, IIRC. I went back through his posts and couldn't find it but may look again when I get more time to browse. Thanks again though for your excellent compendium of research you put together for us each and every day!

[kaRN]

Originally Posted by technicalconfusion

I have to disagree. Considering there were defense experts (Henry Lee, the Bones Lady, a couple of others) at the scene on the day Caylee was found tells me they knew zactly what they needed...

Poor Koby. He had such a good thing going for himself on NG nightly pleading KC's guilt for months on end until he jumped ship, prolly with the promise of a big financial payoff. How much money does it take for a scientific expert to betray a murdered 2 year old I wonder?

[ZsaZsa]

Originally Posted by kaRN

Poor Koby. He had such a good thing going for himself on NG nightly pleading KC's guilt for months on end until he jumped ship, prolly with the promise of a big financial payoff. How much money does it take for a scientific expert to betray a murdered 2 year old I wonder?

Yes, NG was shocked, as was her audience, to hear him so publicly backtracking on what he said. He hasn't appeared on her show since.

[Muzikman]

Originally Posted by whiteangora

I'm a bit surprised that Baez has not included James Thompson on his depo schedule. JT is on the State's witness list and if he really saw what he claims I believe he will be a key witness.
Link to State's witness list:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/31909330...-March-28-2010

FYI, that is not an official list, it is one someone put together and included people interviewed, etc. There are names on it that are not on the State's official witness list.

[whiteangora]

Originally Posted by Muzikman

FYI, that is not an official list, it is one someone put together and included people interviewed, etc. There are names on it that are not on the State's official witness list.

ARGH! That's the second time that list has fooled me!
I'll delete my post.
ETA- Ya know there's a link to that hinky list here in the Resource Forum

[Muzikman]

Originally Posted by Patty G

You would think that the press would remove the addresses of the witnesses.

You would also think that Baez would at least get correct addresses!

There are several that are WAY out of date. Looks like he just took them from the State's list, which came out in Nov 08 IIRC.


I'd be willing to bet that he has not contacted some of those people and set up their depos. Just put them down as ones he WANTED to depo.

[Muzikman]

Originally Posted by whiteangora

ARGH! That's the second time that list has fooled me!
I'll delete my post.

No need to delete, it is kind of a handy reference.

I'll look around, I'm sure I have the official list somewhere....

[Muzikman]

Originally Posted by The World According

Hi Muzikman,

He purposely left the depo incomplete, so he could call him back at another date. Sneaky little move, since clearly he had gotten everything he needed out of him already. I must find it for you, the epitome of him knowing what he did with the Kronk family members would never be admitted into evidence. Finally a reporter asked him a follow up question that we all are throwing things at the TV screen , yelling , ask him this, for the love of God. He had the cat that got the canary look while excited the news stations were playing these selected interview clips. Finally the host asked him, sir...ah...these could never come into the trial because the situations they are recounting are heresay and far too remote in time, right? A look of fear shot across his face for just half a second, he quickly recovered and just shrugged his shoulders, careful not to admit it audibly so as not to be quoted. It was the ok, you got me shrug. I must find that clip and put it in my signature line or post it once a month until everyone has seen it. I laughed so hard when he did that, some of my co workers down the hall came into my office with that I'll have what Julia's having look.

J, did you ever find this video? Would love to watch and catch what you were referencing...

[sleutherontheside]

Originally Posted by Muzikman

You would also think that Baez would at least get correct addresses!

There are several that are WAY out of date. Looks like he just took them from the State's list, which came out in Nov 08 IIRC.


I'd be willing to bet that he has not contacted some of those people and set up their depos. Just put them down as ones he WANTED to depo.

I'd be willing to bet that he did just that............and what would be HIGHLARIOUS would be if the SA in the future, purposely misspelled or transposed numbers to trip him up. HeeHee

[Bobo]

Snipped respect MM

Originally Posted by Muzikman

I'd be willing to bet that he has not contacted some of those people and set up their depos. Just put them down as ones he WANTED to depo.

Over on the Ask the Lawyers thread, recent posts seem to indicate that this very thing did happen.

The fact that they have about 9 depos "scheduled" (riiiight) on the Fridays before major holidays does not sound right. Also noticed that nearly all depo dates are on Fridays. Can only remember one depo day not on a Friday.

[Muzikman]

Originally Posted by Bobo

Snipped respect MM


Over on the Ask the Lawyers thread, recent posts seem to indicate that this very thing did happen.

The fact that they have about 9 depos "scheduled" (riiiight) on the Fridays before major holidays does not sound right. Also noticed that nearly all depo dates are on Fridays. Can only remember one depo day not on a Friday.

Yeah, I saw that on the Lawyers thread.

I would bet big money that if Judge Perry were to call the people on Baez's depo list tomorrow, IMO he would find a number of them that have no idea they're about to be depoed.

[The World According]

Originally Posted by Muzikman

Yeah, I saw that on the Lawyers thread.

I would bet big money that if Judge Perry were to call the people on Baez's depo list tomorrow, IMO he would find a number of them that have no idea they're about to be depoed.

Do you remember when the defense produced, literally, a copy of the state's witness list as their own? The state made a motion to strike it, and the judge promptly did so. I agree with you about Judge Perry. Where Judge Strickland had the style of trusting the lawyers, as officers of the court, I think this judge is more of the Ronald Reagan theory, "Trust but verify". There will be no nonsense tolerated. If Baez has not figured that out, I know Mason has. How much rope he will give Baez to hang himself so that he can take over the case is my only question.

Obviously the proper service to Tony would be not only his last known address, but to his lawyer. What in the world?!!!!!!

[Jomo]

Originally Posted by Muzikman

This is what I've found:

Already deposed, they want to depose again:
Anthony Lazzaro - Oct 2008
Richard Cain - March/April 2009
Roy Kronk - November 2009
John Allen - March 9 2010 (not sure if this was actually done, filed a notice to)
Eric Edwards - March 10 2010 (not sure if done, filed a notice to)


Also deposed:
Tow-yard people: Catherine Sanchez, Simon Burch, Nicole Lett, and Gary Ridgeway - Oct 2008

Sergeant Dennis Moonsammy, Lt. Billy Richardson, Lt. Tammy Uncer, Officer Marlene Baker, Awilda McBryde, and Jerold White; Kio Cruz, Jim Hoover, Alex Roberts - March/April 2009

Phillip Graves, William Procknow, Edward Turso, Leonard Turtora, and Adriana Acevedo - May 2009

Adriana Acevedo, Matt Irwin - March 8, 2010
Appling Wells - March 11, 2010

A number of FBI analysts - April 2010

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Which depositions were for the civil case and which were for the murder case? I would think that they would be allowed to do two separate depositions for the two different crimes.

I remember some of these people being called because ZFG's lawyer was trying to prove that KC made up the Zanny the nanny story to prove damages.

I'm really looking forwards to some of these depositions (grandma and uncle in particular) even though I have read the statements.

I think Baez & co. delayed taking these depositions because they want time to go by and then can claim to the jury that it is nearly impossible to rely on such stale memories...reasonable doubt. He probably didn't want to dip into his share of blood money to pay for them either and waited for state to pay for it.

I have a question here as well.

As I understand it, depositions are meant to explore what people know so the lawyers can best plan their cases. How is a deposition more important than statements taken at the time of the reported crime? What is the big deal about all of these depositions? Do they even need to happen if a prior statement exists? Save money and only depot people what have no prior statements!

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by Jomo

Which depositions were for the civil case and which were for the murder case? I would think that they would be allowed to do two separate depositions for the two different crimes.

I remember some of these people being called because ZFG's lawyer was trying to prove that KC made up the Zanny the nanny story to prove damages.


I have a question here as well.

As I understand it, depositions are meant to explore what people know so the lawyers can best plan their cases. How is a deposition more important than statements taken at the time of the reported crime? What is the big deal about all of these depositions? Do they even need to happen if a prior statement exists? Save money and only depot people what have no prior statements!

IMO, The Civil Trial has a different lead attorney representing Casey Anthony so if the Civil attorneys want to depose any of the witnesses in the Murder Case, then they are allowed to do so. I have not heard that Casey filed "indingency" in the Civil Trial.


Here is a link explaining the difference between "statements" and depositions".
http://www.whitfieldlaw.com/document...E5439B025D.pdf

[Muzikman]

Originally Posted by Jomo

Which depositions were for the civil case and which were for the murder case? I would think that they would be allowed to do two separate depositions for the two different crimes.

I remember some of these people being called because ZFG's lawyer was trying to prove that KC made up the Zanny the nanny story to prove damages.

I'm really looking forwards to some of these depositions (grandma and uncle in particular) even though I have read the statements.

I think Baez & co. delayed taking these depositions because they want time to go by and then can claim to the jury that it is nearly impossible to rely on such stale memories...reasonable doubt. He probably didn't want to dip into his share of blood money to pay for them either and waited for state to pay for it.

I have a question here as well.

As I understand it, depositions are meant to explore what people know so the lawyers can best plan their cases. How is a deposition more important than statements taken at the time of the reported crime? What is the big deal about all of these depositions? Do they even need to happen if a prior statement exists? Save money and only depot people what have no prior statements!

All of those were depos for the murder trial.

To my knowledge, the defense has not depoed anyone for the civil trial. Don't think they depoed anyone for the Fraud trial either.

A lawyer will have to answer your question about statements vs depos... I'm interested in the answer to that myself!

[Jomo]

Originally Posted by Patty G

IMO, The Civil Trial has a different lead attorney representing Casey Anthony so if the Civil attorneys want to depose any of the witnesses in the Murder Case, then they are allowed to do so. I have not heard that Casey filed "indingency" in the Civil Trial.


Here is a link explaining the difference between "statements" and depositions".
http://www.whitfieldlaw.com/document...E5439B025D.pdf

Thanks for that Patty, (from another Patti )

Just a note that I had read a response from AZlawyer that it is not possible for someone to file indigency in a civil trial.

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[Muzikman]

Here is the defense's Motion for Transcription filed 5/14. They want transcripts from 8 LE depositions that they've done.

a. Appling Wells
b. Adriana Acevedo
c. Matt Irwin
d. Lome Gottesman
e. Steven Shaw
f. Karen Lowe
g. Elizabeth Fontaine
h. Heather Seubert

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/39566240...-Transcription


Anyone remember Michelle Medina, esquire? She's listed on the fax page along with Baez.
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