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Old 06-05-2010, 09:53 AM
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So basically, Stephany only won $700 from Garcia and it was in early May, not the night she left with Joran?

Thanks for posting that. The reporting on this case has been truly, magnificently awful. Looking at the video of the room, I don't see a "crime scene" as previously described. No real mess, no blood, no major signs of a struggle either. Also, according to the video translated earlier, Joran did not pay for the room in advance when he left - he was two days behind, which is why they went to check the room and then found the body.

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole story changed again today.
The story probably will change again..

Don't they know they can't do this to us at WS.....

Im wondering if this is in fact the room. The only thing I can think of is maybe they put back the blanket on?? IDK
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Thank you for such a clear translation
8:00am Sunday - bought two cups coffee and returned to hotel
8:25am Sunday - back down stairs from room with one cup of coffee to pay for days left on hotel bill
8:45am Sunday - left with rucksack and brown handbag

It will be very interesting to see if Stephany's DNA is on the cup of coffee Joran brought back. This entire scenario with the coffee bothers me - it isn't like Joran to go to such trouble, there must be some reason he did this. MOO
I was thinking that maybe he figured he would say.. Hey she was fine when I left to get her coffee, and fine when I returned to the room. And I left a few minutes later she was fine...but imo his goose is cooked. ..
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:01 AM
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Here is a full, non-googled, non-babblefished translation of the 20/20 video....
I thought it was worth taking the time to translate it correctly.
...and you did a good job too!! I am a Peruvian born, who coincidentally was raised in Miraflores (the same area where the hotel was). If I can help at all with translations, local customs, slang or details of the area, I would be glad to oblige. I followed the Holloway case very closely....and I must say that I felt a certain degree of pride when I heard Joran had been arrested in Peru....finally he will get what he deserves.....and there is no Daddy now to "represent" him!
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I am listening to this new VIDEO clip, and the reporter is mentioning "raqueta" as the attack weapon, so I'm pretty certain he means tennis racket, which belongs to Joran.

Also statements from Elton Garcia (35), Albanian native, naturalized Uruguayan. He was asked to confirm if Stephany won $5,000 from him; he said Stephany won S/. 2,000 (two thousand Soles not Dollars) in early May.

Albanian accompanied Joran in poker competition

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490019/...petencia-poker
Thanks, Hazel. Was Garcia asked to confirm if Stephany won money from him (Garcia) or from Vandersloot? I'm guessing JBVS but I'm confused as to who 'him' is.

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Old 06-05-2010, 10:09 AM
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The story probably will change again..
Yeah, but this time Daddy was not there to get rid of the evidence....with Natallee's murder it was "no body - no case"....but this time Joran left a body, his DNA and his name on the room....and killed his latest victim on the anniversary of Natalee's death....that was no coincidence!! He was "celebrating".
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Thanks, Hazel. Was Garcia asked to confirm in Stephany won money from him (Garcia) or from Vandersloot? I'm guessing JBVS but I'm confused as to 'him' is.
I'm thinking she won it from Garcia since it was in early May. Joran didn't get there until the 14th, and according to Stephany's father she did not meet Joran until the night of the murder.
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Thanks, Hazel. Was Garcia asked to confirm in Stephany won money from him (Garcia) or from Vandersloot? I'm guessing JBVS but I'm confused as to 'him' is.
Garcia was asked if Stephany had won $5,000 Dollars from him (Garcia) early Sunday, which is what has been rumoured. He said it was only S/. 2,000 Soles and that happened during the first week of May. In this video there is no specific mention if she won those S/.2,000 Soles from him (Garcia) or someone else.

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So basically, Stephany only won $700 from Garcia and it was in early May, not the night she left with Joran?

Thanks for posting that. The reporting on this case has been truly, magnificently awful. Looking at the video of the room, I don't see a "crime scene" as previously described. No real mess, no blood, no major signs of a struggle either. Also, according to the video translated earlier, Joran did not pay for the room in advance when he left - he was two days behind, which is why they went to check the room and then found the body.

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole story changed again today.
I'm not sure if she won the money from Garcia or Vandersloot. I've asked Hazel to verify. I was only converting the currency to something I can understand.

I think the reporting has been pretty darn good considering how fast and furious the information has been coming in. Factor in the unusual language and cultural difficulties and misunderstandings plus the usual sorting out and confirmation of the initial facts that happen with every new case. All things considered, I think it's coming together nicely.
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Yeah, but this time Daddy was not there to get rid of the evidence....with Natallee's murder it was "no body - no case"....but this time Joran left a body, his DNA and his name on the room....and killed his latest victim on the anniversary of Natalee's death....that was no coincidence!! He was "celebrating".
ITA.....

I wonder how his night was sleeping on a concert floor...
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:31 AM
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Joran is on his way to Ica from Arequipa --- by land

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/489877/...leros-arequipa

google translation= http://translate.google.ca/translate...peru%26hl%3Den
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I didn't watch 20/20 but I swear that there was a photo being shown the first day that showed a body on the floor, covered in a white sheet or blanket, with dark hair sticking out. I vividly remember it because I thought it was very tasteless to be showing that picture so soon....I would put money on the fact it was shown on HLN, since thats the only news station I watch. I have tried to find it since reading this thread (not to be morbid, but because there seemed to be interest) and I can't find it doing a google search.

Many other countries release photos of crime scenes and bodies to the press. It's not like here.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:38 AM
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As for her "winnings" - we've seen several different accounts that $5,000. was taken from her and that she had won it at a casino. The casino will be able to verify this and the amount. I don't think she won it from JVDS - $5k was a third of his money (the 15k from the extortion sting). But, if they (Stephany and JVDS) were playing at the same table, I guess its possible that he had accumulated that much during play, he was sitting sorta pretty thinking he had parlayed some of his money and then he looses it to her! Now, THAT really speaks to motive. Either way - the casino already knows ALL those details as to the "who won what". Would love to know how much money he had on him when they caught him - that will speak VOLUMES!!!!
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Many other countries release photos of crime scenes and bodies to the press. It's not like here.
I know and I just think that is such a violation of privacy to the victim and family......................I for one will NOT look at the actual pics out of respect for her and the family.
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Joran has arrived in Lima... and his new home town for the next 35 yrs or so.


Video: joran vander Sloot arrived in Lima. http://qik.com/video/7135984
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Joran has arrived home (in Lima), well his new home for the next 35 yrs or so...


Video: joran vander Sloot arrived in Lima. http://qik.com/video/7135984
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Thank you for posting this video! Wow, that is some scary footage...if I were a guilty man in his situation, I'm telling you I would run just so they would shoot me dead instead of facing that prison!!!
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Joran has arrived in Lima... and his new home town for the next 35 yrs or so.


Video: joran vander Sloot arrived in Lima. http://qik.com/video/7135984
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OMG....This is crazy....I cannot believe this is happening...I wonder what Beth is thinking....

I wonder what the reporters/people are saying..
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He was blinking pretty heavy-- no sleep I'd guess. And, for Peru, a bullet proof vest.

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That was scary, really scary! But I think it was just reporters, repeating his name alot.
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Thank you for posting this video! Wow, that is some scary footage...if I were a guilty man in his situation, I'm telling you I would run just so they would shoot me dead instead of facing that prison!!!

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I'm enjoying my lazy Saturday morning with coffee and I have to smile thinking about that "prison" and JVDS becoming a resident. I will betcha that he HAS NO CLUE what the prison is like. He's never come across as an "information seeker" or even a "scholar" - so where would he have had the opportunity to see what we have all seen now? hahahahahahaha

Maybe LE will show it to him - give him some popcorn and a gun with one bullet or a cyanide pill.

I was scared to death just watching that. My thoughts were of the camera man. I kinda think the camera dude probably had 2 BIG BODYGUARDS possibly with serious weapons next to him at all times. Did you see how some would "look at the camera" - you can just see them trying to "figger out" how to snatch it (or anything else they had). SCARY STUFF!
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I think the reporting has been pretty darn good considering how fast and furious the information has been coming in. Factor in the unusual language and cultural difficulties and misunderstandings plus the usual sorting out and confirmation of the initial facts that happen with every new case. All things considered, I think it's coming together nicely.
I totally agree. I remember the intense frustration during the Holloway case, when we were forced to be on island (Aruba) time. Things moved at a snails pace. We grew accomstom to hearing, "the judge won't be here for another 30 days" or "the judge (the one and only judge) just left for vacation" (in the midst of a major murder investigation???). Patience in large doses was something we were forced to acquire, like it or not. I felt terrible for Beth and her family.

So for JVS to be expelled from Chile so quickly, it's like a breath of fresh air (minus his stench), and so unlike Aruba. It seems like these are people that have a strong desire for a swift road to justice, unlike Aruba, where I got the impression they thought if they stalled long enough, everyone would go home and they could sweep Natalee's murder under the rug and let their golden boy remain free to flit about the globe. They were not prepared for Beth H, that's for sure.

Sorry to get carried away, but I am more than satisfied with how things are being handled in South America.
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I'm enjoying my lazy Saturday morning with coffee and I have to smile thinking about that "prison" and JVDS becoming a resident. I will betcha that he HAS NO CLUE what the prison is like. He's never come across as an "information seeker" or even a "scholar" - so where would he have had the opportunity to see what we have all seen now? hahahahahahaha

Maybe LE will show it to him - give him some popcorn and a gun with one bullet or a cyanide pill.

I was scared to death just watching that. My thoughts were of the camera man. I kinda think the camera dude probably had 2 BIG BODYGUARDS possibly with serious weapons next to him at all times. Did you see how some would "look at the camera" - you can just see them trying to "figger out" how to snatch it (or anything else they had). SCARY STUFF!
After watching this video, I no longer feel the need to have another cup of coffee...my anxiety level went from 0-100 in that 30 second video clip!!! I cannot imagine what it would feel like to have an entire country hungry for your blood! I really hope they house him somewhere safe until these families get some answers!
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I'm enjoying my lazy Saturday morning with coffee and I have to smile thinking about that "prison" and JVDS becoming a resident. I will betcha that he HAS NO CLUE what the prison is like. He's never come across as an "information seeker" or even a "scholar" - so where would he have had the opportunity to see what we have all seen now? hahahahahahaha

Maybe LE will show it to him - give him some popcorn and a gun with one bullet or a cyanide pill.

I was scared to death just watching that. My thoughts were of the camera man. I kinda think the camera dude probably had 2 BIG BODYGUARDS possibly with serious weapons next to him at all times. Did you see how some would "look at the camera" - you can just see them trying to "figger out" how to snatch it (or anything else they had). SCARY STUFF!
Yes scary...I can't wait until its on TV so I can watch it in slow motion. Im gonna watch it again and again....That camera was right up to his face...LOL
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This is from the Video, not the article:

When Stephany's father asked LE for his daughter's belongings, he was told that all they found in the room was an empty wallet and her cellphone.

Her chain necklace, bracelet, earrings, rings, money are nowhere to be found. Her father had given her $1,000 Dollars cash for her to buy a laptop. She put that money in her wallet and also Stephany has her own money as well, as he always gives his children an allowance.

One of her friends had said that Stephany had won some money at the casino, and asked if that money was found in her jeep. At the time, when Stephany first went missing, they didn't care about material things, but now they are trying to determine if robbery was the motive. He also mentions that Stephany had a Wii; they only found the 2 controls. If LE finds a Wii in Joran's possession, they can check the serial number against the receipt Stephany's parents have, that would be the proof, and if her jewelry is also found in his rucksack or handbag, even better.

Because they thought it was a kidnapping, Stephany's family asked LE to get all the evidence (fingerprints, etc.) from her jeep. Forensics unit spent 6 hours processing the jeep and said there were plenty of fingerprints.

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This morning the NYP states that it was a tennis racket that Joran used to bludgeon Stephany. It also states that there was evidence that he tried to rape her and she resisted.
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Officials in Lima said a tennis racket found in the room near Flores' remains could be the murder weapon. The victim's heartbroken dad said he believes she was killed when she resisted sexual advances from van der Sloot.

There was violence, resistance to being raped -- and there's where she was murdered," he said. "This man cannot continue to be out in the world killing people. This man needs to pay for his crimes."
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