Joran Van der Sloot Caught! #3

[SoCalSleuth]

Originally Posted by krowdkat

Wasn't it room 203 or some such? It's a high rise, nonetheless. Unless the "real" perp was spiderman, I'm not going to worry about anyone coming through his hostel window. LOL

I wouldn't be surprised if he said it was spiderman. In Natalee's case, initially he wrongfully implicated two security guards. It will be interesting to see who he tries to throw under the bus this time.

[RR0004]

Originally Posted by Beyond Belief

After Natalie his father was involved. I think he then had to protect his father. Just a thought, but I have seen kids display very bazaar behavior when they are protecting someone they love. Just a thought. imo

Can you explain, BB?

[panthera]

Originally Posted by krowdkat

Wasn't it room 203 or some such? It's a high rise, nonetheless. Unless the "real" perp was spiderman, I'm not going to worry about anyone coming through his hostel window. LOL

IIRC, room 309. With the clear, time-stamped surveillance video there is no way someone else could've gone in there. And, even without the video, how coincidental would it have to be that someone did it right after he left? The ME can establish the day she died due to the level of decomposition. And then there are the bloody clothes....MOO

[sunsetbeach]

Originally Posted by scandi

Hi Epiphany, I remember in the photos of them together in the casino where she was sitting at a table, she did have on a jacket. She also had what looked like a silk scarf on her lap sitting there. I also saw a photo somewhere of her wearing that scarf around her neck. When I first saw it on her lap I thought it was a big green napkin. lol ETA: Whoops, thought I was responding to Beyond Belief's post. ;}

Ooooh do you have a link for the casino pictures or video tape?? Thanks in advance.

[southernvagirl]

Originally Posted by suzihawk

OMG! That never even occurred to me. {{{shiver}}}

Maybe he had drugs, and they went back to "his" place to indulge...makes sense to me.

[Cher352]

Originally Posted by Skittles

9:00 PM eastern.

Big Thanks Skittles!!!

[jilly]

Originally Posted by marmar

I'm pretty sure I recall he used a key in the door when he opened it and flipped on the light switch on the wall. And when he was leaving alone, they showed the light still on and him pulling the door shut and sort of making sure the door was locked by pulling on the knob.

ETA: after reading my response, I'm starting to think I watch wayyy too many reality crime shows that I noticed that detail (lights, knob, etc). Either that, or my ex cop husband has me so trained about paying attention to the smallest details.

That's a good thing marmar! Especially here!

[texaslb218]

Now that makes sense, Southernvagirl. I couldn't figure out why the girl looked like she was hiding her face yet was not walking like she was impaired. So why was she walking like a zombie. Could it have been plain ol' drugs, not just date drug?

[Beyond Belief]

I really studied those tapes at the hotel. Looking closely at the reception looking for a variation of what was out and placed on the early tape complared to his departure tape. I don't see anything different.

I believe Stephany knew these places have video and didn't want to be taped. I also believe she had done this before. Being an experience gambler she knew her way around.

What I don't understand is how drunk, tired and an outright mess Joran looks at 5;30 and how rested and quite sober he looks at 8;45.

Have they ever released where he caught the cab for the long ride, was it near where the car was parked?

[TigerBalm]

Originally Posted by Chanler

I don't think that video stills show the pair entering his hotel room. I think that they're entering an elevator. (That would explain the absence of a do-not-disturb sign.) I might be wrong.

I apologize if some one already suggested this.

Here is the video of Joran and Stephany entering the hotel room, then Joran leaving the room alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNmw5gH1tqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNmw5gH1tqs

I haven't read anything lately about the DND sign on the door, but according to this CNN article...

A hotel worker is seen in a surveillance video speaking to van der Sloot as he is leaving the hotel, Gonzalo said. When investigators questioned the workers, he told them that van der Sloot told him "don't bother my girl." Van der Sloot indicated that he would be returning to the room, according to the worker.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/...ex.html?hpt=T2

[scandi]

Originally Posted by sunsetbeach

Ooooh do you have a link for the casino pictures or video tape?? Thanks in advance.

I'll go a lookin' xox

[Skittles]

Originally Posted by scandi

Hi Skittles, Thanks. I haven't watched Greta in such a long time I didn't know she has a Sat show. xox

She doesn't. This is a special just for Joran!

[fran]

Originally Posted by scandi

Hi Skittles, Thanks. I haven't watched Greta in such a long time I didn't know she has a Sat show. xox

Greta is having a 'special' for this case. I don't think she's normally on Saturday night.


fran

[marmar]

Originally Posted by SoCalSleuth

I read somewhere that his mother wrote him off after his father died. Sorry no link but it would be impossible for me to go back through all these threads to find it. I also recall that after he implicated his father in Natalee's disappearance about 2 years ago?? his parents threw the towel in.

Actually I think I read that too, that she stated she hasn't spoken to him since February? Which is when I think his Dad passed away.

I had never heard the story about him implicating his Dad though geez. That's pretty pathetic.

[Betty P]

Originally Posted by Chanler

I don't think that video stills show the pair entering his hotel room. I think that they're entering an elevator. (That would explain the absence of a do-not-disturb sign.) I might be wrong.

I apologize if some one already suggested this.

That was my first impression, too, but if you watch the video you'll see him open the door (regular doorknob) and turn on the light.

I also noticed in this still photo at link below, as he's leaving the next morning, he makes sure to turn and face the security camera.

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/im...ents-her-death


When going into the room the previous night, he kept his head down as he opened the door. The fact he showed his face to the camera at 8 a.m. when leaving makes me think he was trying to set up an alibi. I'm now convinced the two coffees were also a ruse. He took two coffees in, left with one, returned, then left again, making sure to turn toward the camera as if to say "see, I'm leaving and she's still in there having coffee".

[SoCalSleuth]

Originally Posted by fran

I admit I haven't read all the posts but I wanted to address this one. Yes, I see that she's in pants and a blouse. I don't see her carrying anything, though.

As far as what she was found in, I haven't read what she was wearing yet, just that she was dressed. I'll watch for it though.

Up to this point, although she was found in Joran's room, I haven't seen anything else that points directly at him. Everything being reported is so contradictory. I'm watching though, hoping the truth will come out.

I did read that one article from that guy who had visited Dutchmen in the Peruvian prison. Wow! Some of those had no lawyer and got 25 years.

JMHO
fran

Hi Fran, I think that all of the video evidence points directly at him. There is video of them leaving the casino together. There is video of her driving him to his hotel. There is video of them entering his hotel room. There is video of him leaving his hotel room a few hours later with his bags--and without her. Also, the following has not been contradicted: When he left the hotel he told the clerk he would be returning. He did not return. Rather, he beat it out of the country. He tried to change his appearance. He ditched his belongings. Seems ALL the uncontradicted evidence points toward him.

[Beyond Belief]

The description given by MarMar is right on the money, exact description of his actions with the key, door and lights.

What I didn't see was him give the key to the desk clerk on his way out, nor was it in his hand as he shut the door when he left alone.

[ges79]

Originally Posted by SoCalSleuth

He wasn't perfectly normal one day and then not the next. Prior to his killing Natalee he had been seeing a psychiatrist for "anger issues" per his own statements and those of his friends --per his parents they sent him to a shrink for lying to them and stealing his brother's cell phone--sure, right. His conduct after Natalee's disappearance was clearly sociopathic--everyone saw it. In fact, Peter Devries had alot of it on videotape. Alot of good that did.

BBM. It seems I remember reading something about Joran killing a family pet. Does anyone else remember something to this effect?

[everyoneneedsavoice]

I have zero, zilch, nada, etc. pity for this excuse of a human being! IMO, whatever treatment he gets, is / will be better than that he gave to others. EVEN IF...and that's a big IF...he didn't murder Stephany or Natalee, the way he treated Natalee's family alone, justifies any treatment he might get.

You can't come to the US and commit crimes...esp. murder...and expect to be treated the way you would in your home country; so any expectation that you could go to Peru (or any other country for that matter), commit a crime and be treated the same way you would if you were in US is unrealistic and unfair. You're a visitor there, just as you would be at someone else's home...kinda like, "my house, my rules"...consequences for following them or not...your choice!

In fact, if someone visited the US (my country), committed a crime against one of "ours"; most US citizens would scream for "American Justice" instead of deportation for justice...this is no different, IMO.

Like the saying goes, what goes up, must come down! Well, JVDS, it's coming down now...and it's just the beginning.

Prayers to the families and friends of Stephany and Natalee.

[Cher352]

Originally Posted by ~PrinceSSa~

I would like to know what he was wearing when he left to get the coffees.!!!!

Me too! Wonder why LE didn't release that one?

[sunsetbeach]

Originally Posted by TigerBalm

Here is the video of Joran and Stephany entering the hotel room, then Joran leaving the room alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNmw5gH1tqs


I haven't read anything lately about the DND sign on the door, but according to this CNN article...



http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/...ex.html?hpt=T2

Ok starting at 1:06 on that video look just to the left of Joran (his left). There is a person there in a white shirt and as he walked passed her you can see her move toward the desk area in the lobby.

[scandi]

Originally Posted by sunsetbeach

Ooooh do you have a link for the casino pictures or video tape?? Thanks in advance.

This link opens with a photo of her {I assume !!! } sitting at the table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gFDZlRoBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92gFDZlRoBI

PS: Well, now I'm not sure if that is her or not. I thought so cause he was smiling down at this girl. I also read at some point she put her hair up in a bun at the back of her neck.

[suzet]

Originally Posted by trigger

De Rooij says that Anita van der Sloot spoke to her son via telephone Thursday but would not give details about the conversation except to say that Joran "certainly did not" confess to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores, according to the Dutch News.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...04-504083.html

We wouldn't have expected anything less from Aruba's golden boy. He kills, then lies.

Well, now Anita will know what it is like to have to fly back and forth to another country, just like Beth had to. Only Anita can do this knowing where her child is and knowing her child is alive. Beth did not have that comfort. She only had grief, heartbreak, and the unknown.

No, Joran would 'certainly' not ever confess to anything. He doesn't have an honorable, moral bone in his body. Not to worry, Anita. You and Paulis trained him well.

[Amster]

He's such a gentleman. Wonder why she seems to be meekly following behind him....leaving the hotel "lobby" and going into the room?

[SoCalSleuth]

Originally Posted by ges79

BBM. It seems I remember reading something about Joran killing a family pet. Does anyone else remember something to this effect?

Yes, he allegedly killed his dog.