OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #3

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[KaylynnCouture]

Thanks for the new thread, Idaho.

Praying Kyron is safe, wherever he is tonight.

[cluciano63]

This little boy is just so cute, it is hard to believe anyone would want to harm him. He's not a wiseguy or a brat, a sweet, shy little boy (not saying a brat should be harmed either, before anyone starts in on me ) But unless he has walked away and is lost, then an adult or a much older child must have done something to him that has prevented him from being found for more than 60 hours...and likely longer as I don't think he will be found overnight, unelss anyone knows if they are searching? I did not get that impression...
It seems that he should have been found if he left on foot...just too sad and scary.

[jessunlil]

Originally Posted by KaylynnCouture

Thanks for the new thread, Idaho.

Praying Kyron is safe, wherever he is tonight.

Adding my prayers.

A red-eyed tree frog for Kyron.
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[KaylynnCouture]

Originally Posted by cluciano63

This little boy is just so cute, it is hard to believe anyone would want to harm him. He's not a wiseguy or a brat, a sweet, shy little boy (not saying a brat should be harmed either, before anyone starts in on me ) But unless he has walked away and is lost, then an adult or a much older child must have done something to him that has prevented him from being found for more than 60 hours...and likely longer as I don't think he will be found overnight, unelss anyone knows if they are searching? I did not get that impression...
It seems that he should have been found if he left on foot...just too sad and scary.

I totally agree with you..this case is so sad. I just hope and pray Kyron is safe.

As far as the searching, I haven't heard anything about them searching tonight. Does anyone know if they had an 8pm presser tonight, like last night? Or, if they'll have another presser tonight?

[darlin gal]

Two Facebook Pages created for Kyron:

Missing Kyron Horman
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missin...0831264?ref=ts

Bring Kyron Horman Home Safe
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-...7532398?ref=ts

[CharlestonGal]

Originally Posted by mywarmbluefleece

I'm a teacher. Sometimes kids leave early with their parents and don't take their stuff, especially towards the end of the year when they may not have much homework.

Thank you. I'm quickly coming to the conclusion my child goes to a really compulsive school. My cell phone is usually ringing before we get home when she forgets something. Sometimes I go back and get whatever it is, sometimes not (depends on what it is). I even had her teacher call me once and tell me my child had math homework and her mathbook is still at her desk so I needed to come back and get it.

I only have one child and she's only been at one school (she just finished 7th grade there) so I have to admit I'm clueless about schools in general I guess.

I'm still trying to get over the fact that I haven't heard anything about video at Kyron's school. There are cameras everywhere at my school. There is also only one way in and one way out for non-students and that is right through the office lobby. You sign in there and they unlock the inner door so you can get into the hallways. You have to go out the same way. Nobody just goes in and out.

Maybe some districts just can't afford that kind of security? Or just haven't thought about it or think they don't need it? It's important, I think.

[cakegirl0905]

I just don't see the family in this. Everything mostly adds up...I think it was someone non related-a stranger, school employee, something along those lines.

[KaylynnCouture]

Originally Posted by CharlestonGal

Thank you. I'm quickly coming to the conclusion my child goes to a really compulsive school. My cell phone is usually ringing before we get home when she forgets something. Sometimes I go back and get whatever it is, sometimes not (depends on what it is). I even had her teacher call me once and tell me my child had math homework and her mathbook is still at her desk so I needed to come back and get it.

I only have one child and she's only been at one school (she just finished 7th grade there) so I have to admit I'm clueless about schools in general I guess.

I'm still trying to get over the fact that I haven't heard anything about video at Kyron's school. There are cameras everywhere at my school. There is also only one way in and one way out for non-students and that is right through the office lobby. You sign in there and they unlock the inner door so you can get into the hallways. You have to go out the same way. Nobody just goes in and out.

Maybe some districts just can't afford that kind of security? Or just haven't thought about it or think they don't need it? It's important, I think.

It doesn't take money to implement basic security procedures such as a sign-in sheet placed in the office requiring all visitors to sign in/out.

It also doesn't take money to ensure that the parents are notified when a child is marked absent. The school secretary should use the phone and call the parents if the parents haven't previously called to report the child missing.

IMO, a "poor school district" is not the problem here. The problem is the insane lack of security, common sense, and cooperation this school has at the moment.

[eyes4crime]

Off topic: Blackhawks won another - one more and the cup comes to Chicago. Chicago is rocking tonight! Now - back to this sweet missing child, Kyron!

[human]

Originally Posted by CharlestonGal

Thank you. I'm quickly coming to the conclusion my child goes to a really compulsive school. My cell phone is usually ringing before we get home when she forgets something. Sometimes I go back and get whatever it is, sometimes not (depends on what it is). I even had her teacher call me once and tell me my child had math homework and her mathbook is still at her desk so I needed to come back and get it.

I only have one child and she's only been at one school (she just finished 7th grade there) so I have to admit I'm clueless about schools in general I guess.

I'm still trying to get over the fact that I haven't heard anything about video at Kyron's school. There are cameras everywhere at my school. There is also only one way in and one way out for non-students and that is right through the office lobby. You sign in there and they unlock the inner door so you can get into the hallways. You have to go out the same way. Nobody just goes in and out.

Maybe some districts just can't afford that kind of security? Or just haven't thought about it or think they don't need it? It's important, I think.

They are making new schools where I live (with huge issues of people being angry-I guess they forgot that someone paid for their education). With the newer schools, they had to readjust the security, but it's still not that good.

No new ones are done, so I don't know what they will look like. You are lucky that your schools are that well monitored.

I think with Kyron, he may be affluent enough that no one would be concerned that he left his backpack and jacket. There was probably nothing that he would not have at home that he would need from the backpack. I'm sure that he would have plenty of jackets.

[RubyRed]

I watched the presser again, it is well worth watching if you haven't. Some points I took from it.

A reporter asked if Kyron had an appointment because they have been hearing he did. LE said can't confirm that..

Kyron was last seen at a later hour in the morning at a south entrance door to the school.

Are not prepared to call it a kidnapping at this point. Will review it at 6 pm.

Not closer to finding him but some things have been ruled out.

http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/index.html

[eyes4crime]

Originally Posted by jessunlil

Adding my prayers.

A red-eyed tree frog for Kyron.
Attachment 9489

How thoughtful - just awesome!

[human]

Originally Posted by KaylynnCouture

It doesn't take money to implement basic security procedures such as a sign-in sheet placed in the office requiring all visitors to sign in/out.

It also doesn't take money to ensure that the parents are notified when a child is marked absent. The school secretary should use the phone and call the parents if the parents haven't previously called to report the child missing.

IMO, a "poor school district" is not the problem here. The problem is the insane lack of security, common sense, and cooperation this school has at the moment.

I agree, that the school really goofed up on this. But, a sign in sheet is only as good as the people who use it. Unless the people have to walk through security like at Charleston's school, anyone can skip signing in.

I think this school probably had no issues for years, so they just never dreamed of anything like this. It just wasn't in their realm of thought.

[sleuthy sleutherson]

Well, I will continue to pray for Kyron tonight and pray that he is home safe by the time I wake up and take my son to his preschool graduation in the morning, so sad that any child is missing and not where they belong and being loved and cared for. At the very least I hope LE has some sort of info to provide by tomorrow.

[tarabull]

Portland Superintendent Carole Smith adds security, orders dialer for Skyline School

[snipped...]In response to Kyron Horman's Friday disappearance from Skyline School, all K-8 schools within Portland Public Schools will start using automated dialer systems to notify parents when students are absent without preapproval, Superintendent Carole Smith announced Sunday.

More at link

[RubyRed]

The snapshot shows Kyron in the shirt he was wearing at the time he went missing. His science-fair project is in the background.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html

[human]

Originally Posted by RubyRed

I watched the presser again, it is well worth watching if you haven't. Some points I took from it.

A reporter asked if Kyron had an appointment because they have been hearing he did. LE said can't confirm that..

Kyron was last seen at a later hour in the morning at a south entrance door to the school.

Are not prepared to call it a kidnapping at this point. Will review it at 6 pm.

Not closer to finding him but some things have been ruled out.

http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/index.html

His classroom was on the second floor? Is that true?

If that is true, I wonder what he was doing by an outside door?

If that is true, what was he doing instead of being with his group at school? Remember, the kids were supposed to be in groups of 4 or 5 when he might have gone to his classroom.

But staff said that they didn't see him after 8:45. So where was he until later in the AM? Very strange. Plus, LE is indicating that they are not willing to call it a kidnapping at this point.

[KaylynnCouture]

Originally Posted by tarabull

Portland Superintendent Carole Smith adds security, orders dialer for Skyline School

[snipped...]In response to Kyron Horman's Friday disappearance from Skyline School, all K-8 schools within Portland Public Schools will start using automated dialer systems to notify parents when students are absent without preapproval, Superintendent Carole Smith announced Sunday.

More at link

Good. Now, lets just hope it wasn't too late.

[jessunlil]

Originally Posted by KaylynnCouture

It doesn't take money to implement basic security procedures such as a sign-in sheet placed in the office requiring all visitors to sign in/out.

It also doesn't take money to ensure that the parents are notified when a child is marked absent. The school secretary should use the phone and call the parents if the parents haven't previously called to report the child missing.

IMO, a "poor school district" is not the problem here. The problem is the insane lack of security, common sense, and cooperation this school has at the moment.

At one of the schools my children attended they had a sign-sheet in the office & visitors were given a bright orange badge to wear.
It was a small school and they knew who everybody was but you still had to sign in.

I'm thinking that if Kyron was abducted it was by some one who didn't stand out or who was, on some level, familiar to the people at the school.

[cluciano63]

Was that it for updates for today? Seems too late now...almost 9pm out west...

Was Le's sighting of Kyron later in the AM by a child, I wonder? If so, how sure can they be? And if he was by a door was he waiting for a ride? And where had he been for that hour? So many questions still...why can't they say if he had an appointment? This makes it sound like he did and was waiting to be picked up?

[sleuthy sleutherson]

Originally Posted by RubyRed

I watched the presser again, it is well worth watching if you haven't. Some points I took from it.

A reporter asked if Kyron had an appointment because they have been hearing he did. LE said can't confirm that..

Kyron was last seen at a later hour in the morning at a south entrance door to the school.

Are not prepared to call it a kidnapping at this point. Will review it at 6 pm.

Not closer to finding him but some things have been ruled out.

http://www.kptv.com/kyron-horman/index.html

Why can't they confirm if there was an appointment, it's an appointment and would be very easily confirmed if there was one...interesting. And what is a later hour in the morning? Why hasn't there been any confirmation if he was in one of the groups of the 5 children with a monitor viewing the other exhibits, I bet they can confirm all of the other children that were in the groups, it's only 5 children, I would know if he was in my group. This falls into the rough timeline category and not giving very many details category IMO. Banging head at these not very clear details and updates.

[Kentjbkent]

Having raised three children who were coincidentally 7 years old at one time....

Did the photo of Kyron's project strike anyone as "odd"? That project was NOT completed by a 7 yr old....the one to the right of his was definitely constructed by a 7 yr old, mostly likely with assistance of an adult, but Kyron's..... (photo in post above)

I see a control issue there myself......which is taking my thinking in a whole different direction.....one that has a much preferred ending to this saga....that Kyron is safe, secure but very frightened....

[WillenFan21]

I don't know if anyone else feels the same way but I think the school should be held somewhat accountable for this. This is complete BS that the parents weren't contacted about their child not showing up to class. This type of thing happening is exactly why I think they should do that.

[Jaxson]

I just wanted to mention about the statement grandma made about notifying the step brother.... she doesn't say they weren't going to tell him asap...only that it would be hard to tell him, that he would be upset (can't find her exact quote) I don't think anybody knows he HASN"T been told at this point.