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Old 06-09-2010, 12:19 AM
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If there was so much "incrimnating" information on his laptop, I wonder why he did not ditch it somewhere (destroy it)?

Like some other killers, I bet he liked to relive everything... that's why I think that killing her on the same date as NH wasn't a coincidence.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:20 AM
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I wonder what they would do if he simply refuses to do the re-enactment.
Then what was that video posted a few pages back that said it wasn't Stephany's body, it was just a re-enactment?

Was that really her afterall?? I mean an actual video of the crimescene?
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:20 AM
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I have a very uneasy feeling that VDS is going to be connected with many missing/murdered women. In fact, I actually had to walk away from this computer many hours ago becaussay theye of that feeling... I think this is going to be MUCH more than any of us could have expected.. His only concern is himself (tattoo of his own name on his chest) and money... He has been desperate for money since his family cut him off and is in desperateration for money... I think he is following the poker tournaments and drugging these women, and stealing their money...If they die ....he don't care...His family and friends say he is always asking for money....
Do we know why his family cut him off?
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:21 AM
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I wonder what they would do if he simply refuses to do the re-enactment.
I don't think its him not wanting to - Lima and its fine citizens are experiencing a severe international media scrum. Oh Lord, remember the picture that was a shot down the street at the height of KC's "home confinement - back in the days of protestors, and swinging hammers and spraying hoses?

I couldn't count the number of up-links on that street. And that is what is happening in Lima right now. LE is afraid they will not be able to keep him safe and conduct this re-enactment accurately and safely with that much media there. Maybe they are deciding how to erect the barriers and tape and rope it all off so they can do it - KWIM?
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:21 AM
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Honestly, If Paulus would have stepped back and let the authorities investigate his son, it would of ended there...and the FBI would not be placed in the position of having to deal with a murderer/extortionist...
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And Stephany would be alive.
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I am still hung up on the missing "coffee"video....Possible the LE saw something so incriminating that they withheld it and showed the others....very interesting and fascinating as well....did they realize how much curiosity this would stir up,lol.......maybe there was lots of information on that video that really nails him to the wall and they are saving it as their last punch...possible they have shown it to JVS but just not to the rest of the world....and I still wonder why.....if it is so telling why is it so secretive
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:22 AM
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Like some other killers, I bet he liked to relive everything... that's why I think that killing her on the same date as NH wasn't a coincidence.
You are probably right. He may have even had some photos on there of women after he had killed them??? Just a thought, and a sick thought at that.

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Old 06-09-2010, 12:22 AM
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I'm sorry if my comments seemed directed at Stephany, not at all what I meant...I could see her going to his room and getting comphy, maybe they were going to sleep a bit, talk, play poker, etc and she took off her pants...for all we know she could have had on a panti-liner in case of over-flow from a tampon, they are small and indiscreet. I think she also may have worn Joran's white shirt as a sleepy shirt and that is why it was on her.
Lol, we all just keep going round n' round, they need to feed us some new, solid information!
I agree with the idea that she was found in what she slept in. If the common theory is correct that she seems out of it because she is drugged, one of the first symptoms of being drugged like that is being sick, groggy, and sleepy. It is a common MO for these guys in the clubs to be Mr. Helpful, Oh you don't look like you feel well, do you want me to take you outside for some air... perfect strategy to get them away from their friends, to lead them where you want them.

It still makes zero sense to me that he ripped her pants off to have sex with her, left her blouse intact and her panties on. I can't get my own jeans off and leave my panties where they were without readjusting. That scenario just doesn't make sense to me.

If she is indeed a lesbian I think Joran's complete lack of sexual vibe with her lulled her into a false sense of security.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:23 AM
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Here are two articles about the missing Colombia girls. One needs to be translated. The articles are all stating that Joran arrived in Colombia on May 6th and that he left for Peru on May 14 making his stay in Colombia 7 days, not 2 as has been reported. They do have video surveillance of him at the casinos. There is also a picture of two young girls kissing him on either cheek (I seriously doubt that these are the two missing and/or dead girls.
http://themoderatevoice.com/75648/pe...s-in-colombia/

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491661/...sloot-ese-pais

At this link the writer indicates that the two women were murdered. I thought they were just missing. Maybe once the elcomercio article gets translated it will be clearer. I dunno.

http://news.lalate.com/2010/06/08/jo...lombian-women/
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I doubt that picture is from May 2010. Joran looks really young (like 16 or 17) in that picture.

ETA: I call that licking (not kissing) lol.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:23 AM
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There were reports that wrappings from a date rape drug were found in her car.

Someone on Websleuths said something that gave me the impression she may have been on her menstrual cycle. If this is the case, could it be that he drugged her and when he went to have his way with her, he found out that she was on her menstrual cycle.

There was a case several years ago where a woman was not raped but was killed by a rapist because she was on her menstrual cycle.

Forget all of that crap that Joran is saying about her attacking him first.

From what I heard, if he confesses and the evidence lines up with his reenactment he will get a lesser sentence. I just hope that authorities will have enough sense to look at all of the evidence and possibilities.

If he does get a lesser sentence, lets hope that U.S. is in line to extradite him before the Dutch legal system.
This is what I think too but if there are other victims out there then this theory may not hold up...
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:24 AM
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"In an Interpol document obtained by CNN Wednesday, American authorities ask Peruvian police to arrest van der Sloot and begin a process of extradition to the United States. The document states that Peruvian authorities can hold him if he is facing charges there.

According to the document, around March 29, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway."


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/08/...ex.html?hpt=T3
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:25 AM
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I don't think its him not wanting to - Lima and its fine citizens are experiencing a severe international media scrum. Oh Lord, remember the picture that was a shot down the street at the height of KC's "home confinement - back in the days of protestors, and swinging hammers and spraying hoses?

I couldn't count the number of up-links on that street. And that is what is happening in Lima right now. LE is afraid they will not be able to keep him safe and conduct this re-enactment accurately and safely with that much media there. Maybe they are deciding how to erect the barriers and tape and rope it all off so they can do it - KWIM?
It is a small room, I think they will have to recreate the room elsewhere for the reenactment. Crowd control would be a nightmare in that hostel. Not only can they not guarantee his safety, they really can't provide safety for the people in the area and in the crowd.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:25 AM
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There were reports that wrappings from a date rape drug were found in her car.

Someone on Websleuths said something that gave me the impression she may have been on her menstrual cycle. If this is the case, could it be that he drugged her and when he went to have his way with her, he found out that she was on her menstrual cycle.

There was a case several years ago where a woman was not raped but was killed by a rapist because she was on her menstrual cycle.

Forget all of that crap that Joran is saying about her attacking him first.

From what I heard, if he confesses and the evidence lines up with his reenactment he will get a lesser sentence. I just hope that authorities will have enough sense to look at all of the evidence and possibilities.

If he does get a lesser sentence, lets hope that U.S. is in line to extradite him before the Dutch legal system.
I don't know if this has been addressed already (have tried to read all the posts but getting bug-eyed here and missed a few) but I am wondering what happens if his reenactment does not line up with his confession?

I have a feeling the Peruvian authorities are well aware of Joran's previous reputation of telling many lies and also feel because of his narcissistic personality he is underestimating them and feels he can pull the wool over their eyes...

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I think some have asked why no one heard this horrific beating. First, IIRC I think there were some reports of one of the housekeepers who stated she heard them arguing. Second, take a look at the site below under "other info". This hotel is "alternative lifestyle friendly". Not sure exactly what that means to them, but I fear it may mean they look the other way at whatever goes on in their rooms, including assaulting a woman. http://lima.hotelguide.net/data/h100149.htm
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I think the housekeepers thought they participating some S&M bondage type of thing going on being the kind of hotel it is. JMHO
I wonder if this housekeeper is the lady (I think) in background of video watching VDS so intently as he's walking by the desk exiting the hotel for the final time in striped shirt.
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This article addresses some of our collective questions:

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"In an Interpol document obtained by CNN Wednesday, American authorities ask Peruvian police to arrest van der Sloot and begin a process of extradition to the United States. The document states that Peruvian authorities can hold him if he is facing charges there.

According to the document, around March 29, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway."


http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/08/...ex.html?hpt=T3
This is the only way it could have gone down, otherwise it makes no sense legally.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:28 AM
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He probably had his cell phone in his dufflebag turned off so he couldn't be tracked by GPS. He was fleeing after all.
Maybe. I haven't seen it reported that he had one in his possession. Even if turned off while he was fleeing, it seems it would be a wealth of other information. I just find it odd that he didn't have one.
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I think that Aruba wants Joran back to convict him of Natelee's death, put him into a cushy mental home in Aruba & then declare him 'all better' in a year or so and release him.
I definitely agree and think that's what Aruba wants, but it ain't going to happen!!
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Here are two articles about the missing Colombia girls. One needs to be translated.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/491661/...sloot-ese-pais
I put the translation request in the translation thread here.

One of us will translate it for you shortly and put it there so it doesn't get buried again the thread - then anyone who'd like it can link it and refer to it. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll get it done in a few minutes.
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I'm sorry if my comments seemed directed at Stephany, not at all what I meant...I could see her going to his room and getting comphy, maybe they were going to sleep a bit, talk, play poker, etc and she took off her pants...for all we know she could have had on a panti-liner in case of over-flow from a tampon, they are small and indiscreet. I think she also may have worn Joran's white shirt as a sleepy shirt and that is why it was on her.
Lol, we all just keep going round n' round, they need to feed us some new, solid information!
I find that hard to believe. Why would she take off her pants in a hotel room of the guy she barely knew if she had no intent on having a sexual encounter?
Especially on her period.
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I think the housekeepers thought they participating some S&M bondage type of thing going on being the kind of hotel it is. JMHO

Is there any indication at all of the hotel being a haven for those sorts of activities? I really don't know, things are moving too fast for me to catch up.

But homosexuality is highly taboo in most Latino countries, so I wondered if the "alternative lifestyle friendly" wording might be a euphemism for "gays welcome."

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But did she know his full name?
When you google 'Joran', the first result is Joran Van Der Sloot. The top 10 results include 4 JVDS related searches.

Bet he loves that too.
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I find that hard to believe. Why would she take off her pants in a hotel room of the guy she barely knew if she had no intent on having a sexual encounter?
Especially on her period.

She may have been drugged and went to bed.
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I think that Aruba wants Joran back to convict him of Natelee's death, put him into a cushy mental home in Aruba & then declare him 'all better' in a year or so and release him.
Well if that's the case he can just do his time in Peru and America and I will offer to do his time in Aruba!!!
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